You obviously do not understand dervishes. Yes, the health is a tad bit helpful, but there's only a few short-lived enchantments that you'll be using. RoF is rarely used now, so it's mostly like Patient and Guardian, and Orders if you're bringing it (which is baed, because you should be running Sab/Discord). Vital Boon is a bad skill that does little for the slot. The majority of Dervs never run it. And anyway, a melee's purpose is to provide damage; if a Derv brings Balth or Dwayna avvy, that's a big decrease in damage when you could be bringing Lyssa, WS, or Zealous Vow. If you're running Avvy Balth, I dare you to try and find a build that can come close to MS>DB or Critscythe DPS.
The point about getting health back is that it helps in tanking. ALOT. Especially when when you're getting stripped at the same time. Also, l2r... I never said it Dwayna/Balth?melandru helps DPS... . I said it helps TANKING. Either way, I wouldn't take either, since Grenth is arguably the best option for derv available, atm. (If you're not taking advantage of permavatar as a derv, you're doing something very wrong.) |
MS>DB has 96AL. DS+SY has a mean of 106AL. That's pretty much the same damn amount. They're both very tankable, and are going to give the monks ample time to react. Also, utility means little when you can straight kill just about anything within 5 seconds. And Godmode warrior has less DPS, meaning you can't kill stuff as fast, meaning the monks have to keep stuff up for longer.
First of all, 5 seconds a kill is hella slow, dude. What are you even running? Secondly it's not "pretty much the same", 106 AL is 16% less damage than 96 AL. Also, it's 116 AL, not 106. Also, it's 70 armor, not 96 without enchantments, which is going to happen in tougher areas. Quote:
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) so I decided to make him my Survivor character too. At the moment, she just reached r1 Survivor and is now going about doing all the necessary housekeeping to get up to speed (unlocking heroes, getting full AL armor, buying skills, capping key elites etc).
In this case..how do good warriors micro manage to get maximum benefit from SY!?
) and that's going ok..but otherwise, how are attune runes on warriors?
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2. Stop talking about scythes. Armor-sensitive damage = poo. End of story. Doesn't matter which class is wielding it, they're still mediocre. To make matters worse, AoHM (and avatar forms) coverts your damage type, so you can't share in many of those great intra-team synergies.
Quote by Chthon. I was running a A/D, sure the damage looks nice on MoD but the damage isn't anywhere near it in HM. I lose out on SY!, the most overpowered utility as well. I play with humans, and they appreciate the utility much more so they tell me to run Dagger/SY!. Keep trying guys. |
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You're only worth arguing with for the comedy of it. As long as Warriors push out more utility with the DPS being better under certain circumstances, they'll be better at both. |
The point about getting health back is that it helps in tanking. ALOT. Especially when when you're getting stripped at the same time. Also, l2r... I never said it Dwayna/Balth?melandru helps DPS... . I said it helps TANKING. Either way, I wouldn't take either, since Grenth is arguably the best option for derv available, atm. (If you're not taking advantage of permavatar as a derv, you're doing something very wrong.)
10-14 health every few seconds is approximately the equivalent of Mending. And you actually think Grenth is the best thing a PvE derv can do? Have ever even heard of Wounding Strike? Avvy Lyssa? Zealous Vow (spamming 3-4s recharge skills with .5 or .75 activations is gud.)? Grenth is essentially a crappy damage buff that takes your elite and requires two skills to maintain.
First of all, the fight should be more or less over by the time FGJ ends. Second of all, if you're that worried about down time, just take AoS.
First, you're suggesting a fourth PvE skill (BH, SY, AScan), which is impossible. Second, this is about maintainable DPS, not how much DPS you can do until your downtime.
GPS... wow.
GPS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Avvy Grenth
Moving foes isn't a problem if you aggro properly. That's the entire idea behind tanking. It's just not a problem if you aren't lazy. Also, if you really cared, you could take brawling headbutt and just knocklock it. (Knockdown foes cannot move FYI.) Enchantment removal's going to be a problem in a LOT of areas no matter how lazy or not lazy you play.
BH reduces your DPS dramatically, considering it does like 50 damage over .75 seconds, which is around 65 DPS at that point (which means that if you're KDlocking something you're only going to be dealing like 75 DPS max). And it's gonna take some hella work (and time) to get stuff to ball up completely, meaning the vast majority of time you'll have to move when you switch targets (caster+melee groups means things are inevitably spread out). And AGAIN, enchantment removal is not a big problem, and only in a few areas do I ever have a problem with it (and that's in an enchantment-light party, btw).
Everyone seems to be saying stuff dies very fast, so the discussion has moved on to burst as opposed to maintainable dps? In that case Crit Scythe is very strong there (don't forget DW every 3 seconds).
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2. Stop talking about scythes. Armor-sensitive damage = poo. End of story. Doesn't matter which class is wielding it, they're still mediocre. To make matters worse, AoHM (and avatar forms) coverts your damage type, so you can't share in many of those great intra-team synergies.|
You're only worth arguing with for the comedy of it. As long as Warriors push out more utility with the DPS being better under certain circumstances, they'll be better at both. Looks like you missed this. Limit to skillbars? Why would I want to gimp myself? I use candies in general PvE all the time. No reason for me to limit myself and waste a skill slot. |
Personally as sin in pve, unless it's a priority target, or I'm running Crit Scythe, I do NOT attack the same target as my party. I take down other shit to maximize MS/DB.
Not every place has serious enchant removal. 
