The Zaishen Chest

George Smashington

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

The Ones Who See

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So since I've started this game I've been farming gold and spending the money on Zkeys in the hopes of getting an Everlasting Tonic. I must've opened the chest a good 100 times and all I ever get is pretty much crap.

I'm wondering how many more times you guys think I'll have to open the chest before I get an EL drop.

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

1/1000 chance

LicensedLuny

Badly Influenced

Join Date: Dec 2005

Buying Humps! (No kidding! Check my buy thread)

Hello Kitty Krewe [HKK] Forever!-ish

As I understand it, the odds of that chest giving an everlasting tonic are EXTREMELY low, like way less than 0.1% chance. They're trying to track the chest drop rates on wiki and they don't even bother counting EL tonic because there's no way they can get a large enough sample to determine the EL odds with any certainty.

If you're only in it for the everlasting tonic to keep for yourself, I'd say you're better off saving your gold and buying one from someone else. If you're doing this hoping to get an everlasting tonic to sell for profit, you'd be better off just keeping your money and saving up for whatever it is you do want.

And I think 1/1000 chance is way too high, or the prices for these wouldn't be as high as they are.

George Smashington

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

The Ones Who See

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Wow jesus... I fell like I've been robbed haha

lewis91

lewis91

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Wales

Order of the Azurelight[OA]

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Ive used 685 key (worked out by how many points ive got) I had my EL drop around 300ish mark. My friend used his first ever set of 20 keys, and got an EL drop and 3 elite tomes...

I use 20 keys get roughly 9 crap golds, 3 white tomes, most notably sin and rit tomes. and then the rest creme brulees and alcohol.

G_MAGNUS

G_MAGNUS

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

La Legion Del Dragon [LD]

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Odds are, if you want a specific drop like EL tonics, it'll be cheaper to just buy them. Zchest is there for title, the good drops are just a nice and rare bonus.

Saph

Saph

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2009

R/

The Zchest is a gamble, so chances are it may be awhile before you get a EL tonic, if ever. I've personally used about 250 zkeys with nothing too 'omg spazztastic'. But as long as the Creme Brulees and Firewaters are at a minimal I'm content.

Marxon Aurion

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Feb 2008

In my 40/40.

Brave And Strong Guild [FGJ]

I've opened the Zchest 1195 and I got 2 EL drops in total. The first one (Abbysal) was at about 500-700 I think. The second one was last month (1100 something).

Aussie Boy

Aussie Boy

Alcoholic

Join Date: Mar 2007

Australia

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I have used 213 keys and have had 3 Everlasting tonics. O.o
PS I always use my lucky char ( superstitious am I or what? lol ) cause that char got a mini polar bear drop from winterday chest last time.
So maybe try a char that you think seams to get better drops playing you never know.

Taixen

Taixen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

England

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260 odd here, best drop has been 2 elite tomes ^^

Xeros Rex

Xeros Rex

Academy Page

Join Date: Sep 2007

UnderWorld

Absence Of Light [AoL]

Mo/Me

I have used 400 and got nothing but crappy golds and creme brulees alcohol my only best drops have been 5 elite tomes and 1 celestial compass so theres a big chance you not getting what you expect

Island Guardian

Island Guardian

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Feb 2009

Kam AD1 farming ^^

Do it for [FAME]

W/E

the chest is a lottery. One can open it 1000 times and never get a tonic. Its a gamble which 9\10 times will not make you rich. If anything it will get a small amount of your debt back. If you are seriously looking to get rich dont waste your time on the chest buy your own tonic and move on

Dante the Warlord

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

W/R

lol if you wanted an EL you could have just bought it with the 100 keys yu had (depending on which tonic obviously). Most of them are within that price range anyways.

Champen

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

Denmark

Warlords Of The Underworld [WoTU]

E/P

im zrank 7 (~7,5k points ~ 1,5k keys) and have never gotten an EL tonic

TheodenKing

TheodenKing

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2008

DoA

Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk)

N/Me

Funny thing about the El tonics is: Now that Nicholas is so frequently giving away mysterious tonics, how valuable do you really think your EL tonic is when you are likely to run into 1 or 2 kunevangs daily in any given outpost, in addition to dozens of other tonics? Think about it. You go into town and decide to use your EL Phantasmal. Oh gee... theres a beetle here... and a Norn... and a rainbow phoenix... and a skeleton dog, and so on. The fun wears off fairly quickly.

The Air Revenger

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Looking For TA Guild!

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im r5 zaishen *over 560 keys used* and have never seen one drop.

dilan155

dilan155

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2007

living room

N/

its a gamble, but the chances for an EL is fairly low, hence the reason they are so expensive, your better off selling the zkeys then either buying the EL, if you want one, or buying w/e you wanted to buy with the money you wouldve gotten from selling the EL.

Johny bravo

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

[SoS]

N/

my first 7 keys got me an EL abominable tonic. I am currently working on r4 haven't seen another.

Icy The Mage

Icy The Mage

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2008

Canada

E/

I've used over 2000 keys and have not gotten a voltaic spear, everlasting, or anything short of a q10 draconic aegis x.x

Don't expect to get one :P

Neo Nugget

Neo Nugget

Site Contributor

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

Well I'm rank 5, and have had no everlasting tonics. All luck of the draw.

snodaard

snodaard

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Holland

[Uni]

Mo/

I'm r5 and have had no drop of any worth..
screw the chest ^^

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

r4, 40 keys from r5, had 2 ELs (both Skeletonic... weird huh?)

Even from my perspective: don't hold your breath.

Moonstalker

Moonstalker

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???]

Mo/

I haven't opened it very much, but my guildie just got a golem EL yesterday. I don't know his rank though :x

Lykan

Lykan

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2005

StP

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by George Smashington View Post
So since I've started this game I've been farming gold and spending the money on Zkeys in the hopes of getting an Everlasting Tonic. I must've opened the chest a good 100 times and all I ever get is pretty much crap.

I'm wondering how many more times you guys think I'll have to open the chest before I get an EL drop.
I have a piece of string on my desk, if you can tell me exactly how long it is I will tell you exactly how many more times you need to open the chest.

HuntMaster Avatar

HuntMaster Avatar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2007

Around

Pillar's of Earth [ROCK]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lykan View Post
I have a piece of string on my desk, if you can tell me exactly how long it is I will tell you exactly how many more times you need to open the chest.
Thats a bad example. No one knows how many chests it takes to get to the center of a EL tonic, but you do know how long the string is and even if he guessed correctly, you wouldn't know how many more chests to open.

I'd say plan to open 500, you should get atleast 1 EL tonic from 500, plus a ton of extra stuff that can help you get closer to titles. Not to forget those contest winning item skins.

I also heard that if you have atleast one person in your party with you when you open the chest, you get better drops. I tried it and got a beetlejuice tonic and a max sun and moon shield from two zkeys. That was the first time I opened the chest and the person with me called me a lucky bastard cause he gets crap (creme's and fireworks)

I'm saving up 500 keys, getting someone in my party and opening them until my inventory is full. Dumping the loot in storage and repeating until all 500 are gone.

I don't even care about the EL tonics. I just want those cool skins without having to deal with fow/uw ory paying the very high prices.