PC every gold drop I ever get

MIB4u

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2008

Austria

Architects of Forgotten Truths

Me/

24 Jun 2009 at 03:28 - 1
Well. I know the PC isn't for this forum, but the main question is.

I can't PC every gold I get in Ventari's Corner. Isn't there some complete list of which items to not merch?

What I understand so far (in no way am I claiming any item in this list to be true, so please TELL ME if I'm wrong):
  • Voltaic Spears are sellable even at req13. there are certain other similar items that are desired.
  • _one of the_ inscriptions wanted is _"Strength and Honor"_ 15^50 (for all who don't understand: +15% dmg when above 50% health). _further inscriptions include "I have the Power!" +5 energy, e. g. for 55Mo weapons,
  • there are certain skins that simply are merched. they have no value whatsoever.
  • req8 max items don't have to be gold or a rare skin to be _more_ desired. _however, you hardly ever sell them. keep them for you and your heroes._
  • uninscribable items are less likely to be sold than inscribable ones.
  • -50hp Cestas are 5k.
  • some people consider all green = unique items cool, no matter if they aren't max. however, the majority only buys max greens. and if it can be fully replicated, it's not worth that much. if it can be replicated including its skin, even more so.

well... is there a list of items that can be sold to players? I'm not a noob concerning the game, but I'm certainly a newb concerning in-game economics... well, at least, in this regard.
help?

edit: everything between _underscores_ is new and/or changed. anything I still got wrong? point it out! ^^

Divine Ashes

Divine Ashes

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2006

Chicago

LFG

R/

24 Jun 2009 at 03:47 - 2
All that is really needed is to remember the rare-skinned weapons. Obby edges, eternal blades, voltaic spears, crystalline swords, froggy scepters, celestial compasses, bone dragon staffs, and some others are really the only worthwhile weapons to NOT merch. All other golds can simply be merched or sold UnID'd. You can check auction if you ever have doubts as to if one of your weapon skins is valuable or not, and a simple search of the trade forums can tell you if Auction has no info. All of your other info is pretty right.

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

24 Jun 2009 at 03:56 - 3
Yeah, I found myself with the same problems. I'd LOVE if there was some sort of guide that kept track of rare skins, and any mods of value.

One of the TOP things that turned me off to GW is lack of knowledge of in-game economics.

Helix Dreadlock

Helix Dreadlock

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

Imperial Sanctum

Legendary Drunken Masters [DUI]

E/Me

24 Jun 2009 at 03:57 - 4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Divine Ashes View Post
All other golds can simply be merched or sold UnID'd.
That is wrong, many skins are wanted by many people, and can be sold for more than their value. People can afford Obby armor by not being lazy and taking the time to sell items to players, not just merchs. It is really what's more common than others and some people may have unique tastes, like, I'm looking for a q10 max dmg sunqua blade atm with a nice inherit/insc. Storage is the win

Chaos axes are also wanted a lot.

Also,MIB, 15^50 is only wanted for certain purposes. All inscs have their needs. It depends on your taste. 15^50 is mainly for wars that aren't running special ench builds. 15^ench is mainly wanted for dervs (mainly ench-melee) and sins may want it too, because their health drops easily. 15^50 isn't ideal for caster weps.

It depends on the r8 max to be desired, depending on the skin. If it's a chaos axe with nice inherits, that's right. If it's some SUPER common skin...forget it.

Gennadios

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

24 Jun 2009 at 04:15 - 5
The easiest way to tell if a skin is worth something is to check the wiki if there are collectors that offer the skin. It's that simple, if a max item can be acquired through a collector, chances are it's merch food.

Max q8 foci and shields don't necessarily scale up in value. They have a low enough stat range that it's statistically easier to roll maxes for them than it is for a weapon or staff, and inscribable blues are extremely easy to get with perfect stats (My paragon currently has blue q8 mot and command shields, and my mesmer has a blue inspiration focus, they're still worthless, but saves me a +1 rune slot in my armor.)

Puebert

Puebert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Oct 2005

Mo/

24 Jun 2009 at 04:36 - 6
Most things of value are only available from chests at the end of dungeons. So, whenever you go into a dungeon, just check out the exclusive drops on wiki. Anything dropped by creatures is usually worthless, unless its Q8 or something you've never had drop for you.

^Thats my brilliant strategy.

also, I wouldn't recommend keeping 15^50s, they are worth about 900 gold and aren't stackable so they just waste space.

I have about 11 of them. :/

tuna-fish_sushi

tuna-fish_sushi

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Dec 2005

California

E/A

24 Jun 2009 at 05:04 - 7
Heres a quick run down
If you get the gold item from somewhere other then an end dungeon chest or end fow/uw chest or zaishen chest and it is req 11-13. Merch it.

If you get the gold item from somewhere other then an end dungeon chest or end fow/uw chest or zaishen chest and it is req 9-10 and looks like crap when you wear it. Merch it

If you get a good looking gold or from and end dungeon, end fow/uw, or zaishen chest. Then you should be able to find a price on it from price check forum or in high end/sell forums.

snodaard

snodaard

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Holland

[Uni]

Mo/

24 Jun 2009 at 07:10 - 8
just don't keep mods, it takes ages to sell them and you make 2k from them, in the same time you could've farmed an ecto or so.

G_MAGNUS

G_MAGNUS

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Oct 2005

La Legion Del Dragon [LD]

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 07:14 - 9
Guru used to keep track of the rare skins with guides, but as more campaigns became available, it was harder to keep up with the price changes. Also, if you constantly see the same item drop for you, sure enought it's going to be a common skin and not worth the time to sell it. If you're unsure of how rare it is, you can always do a quick check in guru auctions (not the forum based one). If you see that the skin has a few people selling with a buyout of say 5k, then it's safe to assume that it's not worth more than that. Cross referencing with wiki can also help you out. Sounds like it's a lot to do for a pc, but it really does take less than a minute and it will help you remember what skins are worth something.

arcanemacabre

arcanemacabre

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Feb 2006

North Kryta Province

Angel Sharks [As]

24 Jun 2009 at 08:00 - 10
It would be nice if the wiki (official or not) could be updated with average trade rates for skins under each of the skins pages. Either that, or a separate website linked from here and the wiki that is kept up by a few good PC'ers from the community with all the going rates.

A lot of skins wouldn't need much maintaining, as their prices don't fluctuate much. For instance, a gold, inscribable r9 gladius generally goes for what, 2-5k? And that price range hasn't changed in 2 years, pretty much. Other skins only fluctuate due to certain farm builds changing and what-not.

A specific guide to some of the more notable things as mentioned in the OP would be a great idea, too. I'm always for anything that makes player trades easier - in and out of the game.

shinyglove

shinyglove

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

BelgiUm

E/

24 Jun 2009 at 08:15 - 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock View Post
Storage is the win
but storage isn't big and will be filled very fast, also trying to sell every skinn will probably take 1hour/weapon wich is really boring and by the time you sell 1 i farmed 10 wich i merchantised for 3k and you sold your weapon for 2k
(wich is the double of the normal value! xD)

Crassus Praetor

Crassus Praetor

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

England

Jade Reapers [JD]

W/

24 Jun 2009 at 08:27 - 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi View Post
If you get the gold item from somewhere other then an end dungeon chest or end fow/uw chest or zaishen chest and it is req 9-10 and looks like crap when you wear it. Merch it
Mostly true but it all depends on personal taste...

and it's "other than"

Amnel Ithtirsol

Amnel Ithtirsol

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

AU

League Of The Fallen

Mo/

24 Jun 2009 at 11:32 - 13
In-game marketplace and we would never have had this issue... but anyway

Just keep an eye on the High-end and Sell forums. When you have free time go to Kama A-d1 and just look at the trade chat until you cant feel your toes and your head wants to explode, i.e. 5-10 minutes or so :P . If you do this often enough you'll quickly see what to keep and what not to.

Always ID (even blue and purple) req7 (you never know...) and 8 and check if it is max. If not, merch.

Some skins are worthless to most but you do get some players willing to pay quite a bit more than merchant prices for it. (r9 Inscribable Fiery Gladius, for example)

Inscriptions, however, are always a tough call... I generally only keep "Forget Me Not", "Aptitude Not Attitude" and energy +5 inscriptions, which I then put on some unused hero's weapon until I need it myself or have time to sell it.

capblye

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2007

KoH

W/N

24 Jun 2009 at 11:48 - 14
Even just having the wiki items pages have a one line entry that said = Merch food, or = Do not Merch, would cut down on the PC's and research.
Its tough to have 20 golds in storage and have to spend 2 hrs searching for prices because you dont want to merch some uber rare skin.

disarm76

disarm76

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2005

Portugal

24 Jun 2009 at 12:11 - 15
When in doubt, come to Guru and do a search for that item in ventari. Look for the latest 5-10 posts.

englitdaudelin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2006

East Coast

Soldier's Union [SU]

N/Me

24 Jun 2009 at 21:39 - 16
Req 9 golds of "mildly uncommon" skins are worth putting on heroes or a mule for a while. Then, some morning, afternoon, or evening, watch the trade spam for the WTB... People are still looking for max, inscribable, gold weps for cheap--in the 5-10k range.

I made 70k one recent Saturday morning doing pretty much that. People want to outfit new characters, heroes, or old characters with new stuff.

I'm not advocating wasting your time. Watch for the buyers when you can. That is a far faster way to do business than standing there spamming WTS. But if you hold max, r9, mildly uncommon stuff, you can often find a buyer.

My own personal recommendations for keepers:
Eternals
Storm Bows
Briarwood scythes
Ancient Scythes (with 2 or 4 claws)
Fellblades
the occasional Flamberge or Spatha for someone who wants a cheap sword
Sephis Axes and Swords
Fiery Bladed Axes
Oaken Aegis
Celestial Compasses
The froggies, the obsidians, the dryads and silverwings, the Bone Dragon Staffs
Emerald BLADE
which is different from the Emerald EDGE (but the edges are worth selling, too)

as someone above said, consider the dungeon, dungeon chest, UW, FoW, DoA stuff to be most likely to sell. But don't be afraid to keep other skins.

As for mods, I find that sword fortitude +30 mods, focus +30, and all class enchanting mods are worth selling on the marketplace. Again, heroes, especially, get these, for all the "way" builds that people like.

Darcy

Darcy

Never Too Old

Join Date: Jul 2006

Rhode Island where there are no GW contests

Order of First

W/R

24 Jun 2009 at 23:58 - 17
The only way to determine the sale value of a weapon or offhand/shield is practice. If you keep looking them up on Ventari's (using Search), eventually you will remember which are good and which are not wanted.

Asking for PC on guru is hit-or-miss. You might get a response and you might not. I think the last PC I posted was for a Cerulean Edge. I didn't get a response on guru, but someone contacted me in-game and after discussion, we decided on a price that made us both happy.

Gruff

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2007

England

Muppet Warfare [MvM] & 2nd in Servants Of Fortuna Ally

25 Jun 2009 at 13:07 - 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcanemacabre View Post
It would be nice if the wiki (official or not) could be updated with average trade rates for skins under each of the skins pages. Either that, or a separate website linked from here and the wiki that is kept up by a few good PC'ers from the community with all the going rates.

A lot of skins wouldn't need much maintaining, as their prices don't fluctuate much. For instance, a gold, inscribable r9 gladius generally goes for what, 2-5k? And that price range hasn't changed in 2 years, pretty much. Other skins only fluctuate due to certain farm builds changing and what-not.

A specific guide to some of the more notable things as mentioned in the OP would be a great idea, too. I'm always for anything that makes player trades easier - in and out of the game.
This would help immensely, I don't play in post searing often enough to know what's what skin and price wise, when I get a drop or open the z chest.

S_Serpent

S_Serpent

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Feb 2006

When not at Aziure's Wizard Tower you can find my in Belgium

Knigths of the Keyboard Order - KkO

25 Jun 2009 at 13:57 - 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by englitdaudelin View Post
Req 9 golds of "mildly uncommon" skins are worth putting on heroes or a mule for a while. Then, some morning, afternoon, or evening, watch the trade spam for the WTB... People are still looking for max, inscribable, gold weps for cheap--in the 5-10k range.

I made 70k one recent Saturday morning doing pretty much that. People want to outfit new characters, heroes, or old characters with new stuff.

I'm not advocating wasting your time. Watch for the buyers when you can. That is a far faster way to do business than standing there spamming WTS. But if you hold max, r9, mildly uncommon stuff, you can often find a buyer.
This is really super advice, which I use mostly too

where I can inbetween stuff I try to watch the WTB stuff for couple off min if I see something I have and want to sell = bingo sold if we agree on price

this way I hardly spent time watching WTS Spam and waiting to have someone to react to my WTS.

and personnally I don't agree on just keeping this or that mod, most mods are wanted and I've sold lots.


oh and I rather pick up these WTB and sell five things for 1k each
then spent 20 just to sell one weapon for 5k. Trust me you make more with more mini sells then one major sell.
There is one exception to this rule and that is when it are really rare things!
here comes to mind: obby edge, emerald blade, volt spear, ... forget me not incrip, -5/20%, ... , most of fortitudes, of enchanting, sundering prefixes, ...

you find that out quite soon after looking at those WTB sessions.

MIB4u

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2008

Austria

Architects of Forgotten Truths

Me/

25 Jun 2009 at 18:25 - 20
bump. moar pls. sauce? ...woops, wrong forum... ^^"

however: thnx for all insight and posting so far.
still interested in your input, ofc.
and I added some new (at least for me) insight to the Opening Post. some old as well, just forgot it when I first made it (the -50hp cesta).

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

25 Jun 2009 at 19:05 - 21
Wait just a second. Do not merchant all gold cruddy weapons to the merchant.

I got a flame artifact in eye of the north and sold it for 10K. It was a req 9 but the skin is different than the other flame artifacts.

So spend the time learning what sells and what does not. The easiest way to do that is with a note book to start. Find someone selling a weapon for 10K+ and write down the name of the player and the item's name and stats. Then after a bit pm him and ask if it is sold. IF it is, ask the price. 99% of the people will tell you the truth.

Also you can do a "PC on X" in local chat. Normally you will get a response in seconds. Sometimes you get, "Are you buying or selling x" if selling BAM there is your sale just come up with a price. If you say 50K and they are like your nuts you can say opps I pressed the wrong number it should have been 20K.

This might seem lame but it works.

Example, I have a Vampiric Long Sword in Presearing. I did a PC and someone said that they will buy it off of me for 30K before I could blink. In that case I knew I was going to get ripped off by over 270K cause its worth over 300K.

I hope these timbits help.

MIB4u

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Oct 2008

Austria

Architects of Forgotten Truths

Me/

26 Jun 2009 at 01:14 - 22
helps? well, yes and no.
yes: now I know how I can easily PC something... should've thought of it myself. I might even sell the crap...!!
no: sounds like I can sell almost anything and shouldn't merch any of it... eurgh... back to square one.
looks different than normal flame artifacts. ok. that must be this staff with the eye on top
that reminds me: what about greens? will add that to OP.

Quaker

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

26 Jun 2009 at 17:14 - 23
One of the best ways to PC items is to use the Price Check forum and the pricing guides, on here. When I was wanting to know if something was worth something, I would search the price check forums for recent prices, but unfortunately, search is disabled atm.
A lot of it depends upon how much time you want to put into selling. Standing around Kamadan or LA for hours can get boring. I used to sell 99% of my stuff through Guru Auctions.
I merch a lot of stuff now that I used to sell, but I really don't need the gold any more, especially with the new Zaishen quests. Many people will tell you to merch stuff, but all that 1 to 5k stuff can add up really quickly.