Sarra's GW Doodles :)

sarra june

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I sketched my friend's rit today and figured I would post it up along with the couple other GW doodles I have done that are laying around here

Nothing special and nothing I worked too hard on really, but fun nonetheless

Everything needs fullview or it looks like crap so click on them

Rit:


A couple pngs ~ my mesmer and monk:


Just a fast, sloppy sketch of my old prophecies ele (she got a makeover and is now dark-skinned and way hotter):


Oh and if the coloring seems terribad, it's because I'm using
sumopaint online, since I reformatted and don't want to find/install photoshop. (that and I havent really tried to learn to color yet anyway) I prefer to color in pencil but it scans in extremely poorly...

Chicken of the Seas

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Those looks really nice! I like how you draw your characters in a kind of "cute" way (hard to explain =P). I like the rit the best though I like how you did the fow armor on that mesmer. (Jeez just noticed I put "I like" like three times...)

You should do commissions, I already know you'd get a few takers -nudge nudge-.

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you shouldn't color in your sketches :P The top and bottom pics look nice, the middle ones are baed.

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Cute like Chicken said hehe ;D

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Few anatomical errors / strange poses (namely the mesmer, try do that pose and you'll see) but decent work for sketches.

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That rit is just too cute

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I love your work, keep it up!
There will always be critics *cough Daisuko* but never let that discourage you :-)

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Few awkward poses but hey, you're more creative than me. I really do think your sketches look better than the colored versions. You have the right amount of details to make it cute and enjoyable to look at, but the bulky lines and flat color take away from that. <3

Keep it up though :] Hope to see more in the future.

sarra june

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@Daisuke & Zenrgy: Exactly why do you feel the need to teach me and why exactly do you think you are good enough that you even could? And why are you offering criticism and advice when not asked for anyway? ....Rude. I can see the flaws in my own crappy sketches (which I said were only doodles..) and even if I couldn't I would not ask for non-productive patronizing advice that only makes your e-peen feel bigger than it should be.

<3

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Great work. I admire you and others for being able to "doodle" that well.

Im jealous because i always wanted a "doodle" of my warrior. Due to my lack of talent in drawing, my doodles go in the trash

Remember its easy for people to "slam" your work. It can be difficult to positively critique work through a post. Regardless, YOU are your own best critic. Through time, you'll "improve" and/or critique your own work.

The great things is....you are passionate/fiery about what you love to do. Dont let anyone sour or take that away from you. Keep up the good work.

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Good enough for commissions. There are worse people.

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Badass.

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"The middle ones are bad" is not at all useful criticism. If you're going to criticize, at least be constructive about it. And considering what Sarra's using for it and the fact that she said she's used to coloring in pencil, it's really not poorly done.

And yeah, the Mesmer's pose is a bit awkward, but actually saying why it's awkward would be a lot more helpful than just stating it looks weird.

Really, guys. Learn to leave proper criticism. It's not terribly difficult.

About the Mesmer's pose - her arm holding the shield? It looks like the back/top of her hand/arm is facing us. Really, it should be her wrist facing us - shields are worn on the back of your arm, otherwise they'd be useless as they would end up between your arm and body. That is really the only thing making it look awkward, though; beyond that it's a cute pose and perfectly matches the devious look on her face. She looks like she's plotting to sneak up on and spear someone :P

The ele and rit look nice, and I like the simple coloring on the ele. I'd commission a portrait like that :P

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Verene View Post
"The middle ones are bad" is not at all useful criticism. If you're going to criticize, at least be constructive about it. And considering what Sarra's using for it and the fact that she said she's used to coloring in pencil, it's really not poorly done.

And yeah, the Mesmer's pose is a bit awkward, but actually saying why it's awkward would be a lot more helpful than just stating it looks weird.

Really, guys. Learn to leave proper criticism. It's not terribly difficult. Her post in response to other criticism made me afraid to post anything more detailed. She mentioned she can see her own flaws, which means she probably knows why it looks awkward. Most of the time artists can see what doesn't look right themselves, either we get lazy and leave it or we re-do it. In this case (I'm assuming) doodles = ok to be awkward.

But I do agree posting a pure negative post with "it's bad" without anything positive isn't the way to go :P Thank you for putting it into words for the rest of us.

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You can't take compliments on "omg that's way two qute"

And then bash "Theyre baed"

Middles ones are pretty disgusting.

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I think your work is very good. Those are just doodles? Still awesome! Don't worry about those flamers, there always has to be at least one terd that makes jerky comments for a +1 post count. Don't worry about them, you're very talented. Oh and I loved your e-peen reply. hehe

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Strong sketches Sarra.

Espadon

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You guys make me lol hard going all ape over her pics. Criticizing esp those two cartoons is akin to "Minister Cho GLF HB monk NM"

I think she obviously can do better than those two middle pics which are obviously cartoons and seem like they were done a while ago.
Go to DeviantArt and crit some serious artists if you want to feel like a serious art critic.

Sarra: Your lines are pretty fluid and you should definitely stick to raster. Vector tools kill a lot of what you have going for you. Also, you should probably put "no crits plz" on the two middle pics because there are a lot of srsbzness people out there who can't help trying to make themselves sound pr0 by critting them.

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Originally Posted by Espadon View Post
And you always look at the fail artists ~_~ Try Bluefley, ArtGerm, Ukitakumuki @ deviantart; those are industry artists whose work appear for real life [onoessss!] companies.

Gogo CA.org if you want a website that sounds more reputable. The only posts you'll be able to make there will be ones trolling crap artists telling them how baed they are. Also blackeri, cosmosue, adonihs, wishmistress, nykolai...there's another artist whose name escapes me at the moment but she does some amazing work and does a lot of stuff for book covers in China...edit: remembered, it's peachysticks.

Point is, there are in fact a lot of amazing artists on dA that do professional work in the art field. Just because people post crap there doesn't mean you can dismiss the great stuff.

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Whoa. Wtf. How did this topic turn into a flamefest..?

Gotta agree with Espadon here, Sarra is just posting some doodles, no need to go so far. It's not like she's asking people to pay for it or anything :P.

While I love C&C, there is no reason why you can't be civil while critiquing. There are definitely great things about her art, as well as flaws.

@Sarra, your doodles are great, keep it up. However, I do agree with one thing zenrgy said, don't expect to get 100% positives with internet forums. Don't take critique as people talking trash about your art, internalize it, use it to get better. Don't need to call everyone who gives negative comments a hole either :\

@ZenRgy and the rest, I think the problem here is suddenly everyone just appeared in her topic and t-downed the topic without any real substance. Try giving some pros and cons the first time around, and people wont confuse your comments with random topic thrashers. There are plenty of "baed" stuff on these forums, some of my old crap included, but try to give something constructive for every negative comment.

And about the actual doodles: I like 'em, especially the monk. I'm pretty terrible with anatomy myself, so I can't really help there. They are stylized, but that's not a bad thing at all. I'd like to see more :P

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Adonihs is popular and works professionally but I wouldn't rank him up there with the top echelon; he has something of a shaky foundation and it shows through on his original works. I guess that's why he does an inordinate amount of poster reproductions.

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But I agree with Verene 100%, theres a difference between constructive criticism and just plain bashing. But you also have to not feed the trolls, because as you've seen it only encourages them more.

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They're all good! I like the last one the least, but still miles better than what i can do x) I just wish i could draw.

Where's the ranger girl then ^^ ?

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Quote:
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Let me restate the fact she's not asking for your crits. Why would you C&C in a game forum unless they specifically asked for it?
It's a public forum, if you post something you should expect both negative and positive responses to just about anything you can say. Everyone has an opinion and on forums it's easy to express it. Regardless if you're not asking for C&C, most generally people are going to give it, because we enjoy the artwork and the majority of the people who posted semi constructive criticism have good intentions. We want to see her improve or keep a certain style we like and see more of her artwork. Your argument of "she's not asking for you crits" is like saying "she's not for any response what so ever".

Quote: Originally Posted by Espadon I think she obviously can do better than those two middle pics which are obviously cartoons and seem like they were done a while ago.
Go to DeviantArt and crit some serious artists if you want to feel like a serious art critic.

Sarra: Your lines are pretty fluid and you should definitely stick to raster. Vector tools kill a lot of what you have going for you. Also, you should probably put "no crits plz" on the two middle pics because there are a lot of srsbzness people out there who can't help trying to make themselves sound pr0 by critting them. Bold part = Criticism. The people who posted one line "The middle ones look bad" or anything along those lines should be ignored. For those of us who actually took the time to decently explain why we didn't like them, should be considered. I never said in my post they're bad, I simply said that I much prefer the other ones because the flat color and the lines take a lot away from her style.

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Originally Posted by BlueXIV
@Sarra, your doodles are great, keep it up. However, I do agree with one thing zenrgy said, don't expect to get 100% positives with internet forums. Don't take critique as people talking trash about your art, internalize it, use it to get better. Don't need to call everyone who gives negative comments a hole either :\ This pretty much sums up my feelings. Don't post something if you can't handle people giving criticism, or random fags who post things like: "Middle ones are terrible". Our intentions are to help you improve, not to discourage you from drawing/posting.

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Okay...I come back and this has turned into a flame fest. I really hate when someone posts their hard work (or creative work, whatever you want to call it) for others to enjoy and they turn it into a flame fest.

Criticism is one thing, saying "this sucks, gtfo you fail, that's just horrible" is another. Don't do the latter, you're just making yourself look worse than usual.

sarra june

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Thanks to espadon, sierra, and the few others who understand how to give constructive criticism.

And sorry if I have zero tolerance for the d-bags with 'she looks like she got raped' comments - I have a pet peeve concerning sniveling boys with the maturity of seven and a half year olds posting trash via internet to make them feel like their penises are larger than irl. I just can't put up with it. It's probably cause of all the shitters in HA I've gotten tired of.

And by the way? I'm really barely what you could call an artist - it's just a hobby for some times, so really more than anything I'm an art enthusiast. I spend more time looking at art than drawing it. If someone else had posted similar pictures as mine, and I had seen them here on guru, I personally would have enjoyed seeing them for my own entertainment. That's the only reason they went up... I figured someone else would find it neat to see how someone would attempt to draw our Guild Wars people. and comments ARE welcome ~ Espadon gives me something to think about, and sierra makes a valid point (yep that program sucks for coloring..) while being respectful and letting me know what they do think I have right, and should continue to do.

Don't post something rude, or negative and non-constructive, especially when I have NOT ASKED for criticism, and then cry about it when I tell you to gtfo.

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They are cute....especially the Rit, I like the style and I think they would look much better if you dug out Photoshop and set to coloring them using it. Dramatic lighting would also help them look a bit more solid too.

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The way the VS is drawn by you is really nice. The bigger curvy horns make it look more menacing in a way and combined with that mesmer and shield your just asking for trouble

Oh and btw that rit= <3 hotness

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Cute and Cool, good work! I especially love the Rit.

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Agreed, the rit is my favorite out of them.
Don't get me wrong though, the rest are very good.
I can't draw, sketch, doodle, anything worth a crap.

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The point of C&C is to give them to an artist who is willing to receive them. Not to make them mad. You're supposed to help them with it. If you just make them mad on purpose they will go defensive and not listen to your critique anyway so what's the point? Best critique is given sandwhiched between two positive comments. There are people who have had enough of oneliner comments saying "Nice!" and want to hear the harsh non-sugarcoated stuff but those people usually ask for it specifically. I personally have a lot of respect for people who take the time to give proper critique and even go very indepth with it. That just means they actually looked at your work for more than 2seconds.

Sarra, I used to react strongly to imbecile comments too when I was starting out and the reception was always the same: "Stop being a whiny artist" "Grow thicker skin" "Take every critique given to you". Daisuko's comment was stupid so just take it for what it is and laugh it off. Zenry may not be an artist from what I know of(?) but his comment wasn't so bad. He was trying to help although he forgot the sandwhich rule.

As for your pics. I really prefer the pencil sketch work. Keep up the strong pencil skills. You can see the persons handiwork and personality best from their pencil sketches.

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ok im actualy goin to critique your work, not just be a flat out ass

ok main problem with colored pics
1: it has flat color and it make it look very ummm childish(no affence) put value in it & it could be alot better & not have asses like ZenRgy say it sucks
2: legs in them are kinda spaghetti like, they are wayyy to bent, mainly the monks
3: your hand on the rit has no value & the fingers kind of look broken :S (draw your hand OVER & OVER to get it down, they made us in art school :S)
4: in the colored pics, there is no white of the eye, erase some of the skin tone in them
5: the "awkward pose" on the mes is i guess is a pretty unnatural pose

i hope that helped
nice pics & i hope that was more helpful then hurtful

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What the heck did I just read... lmao... no offence. ='D