I was out in the City of Torc'qua farming, using a 600/smite build. After beating it, I was lead into Stygian Veil where I saw a quest that talked about a "near infinite" amount of creatures. Being a 600 tank, I saw potential loot and decided to try it. So I tanked them, and found out that they used touch skills.
OK, cool.. now heres the thing: I noticed while tanking the Stygian Hungers I hit 1hp A LOT of times, nearly 20 times. I even let Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond drop, and yet I was still alive, with 1 hp. The only time I died is when they physically attacked me rather than used their touch skills.
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Why didn't this kill me? Only got 1hp
dark4190
Rhododendron
Hi. i had the occasion of seeing that myself a couple of times. I think it must be some kind of glitch. Its pretty interesting, i think it happens only when you reach that point under the effect of a hex, poison, or some kind of health degenerative spell . Then for a couple of moments nothing happens. First i used to just ctrl click it like crazy 
, after a while i noticed that it keeps long enough so you can do something about it.
It sounds more radical to you though. 20 times is kinda much. This has to be covered by someone around here by now. these guys.. have the tendency to post much about anything.
, after a while i noticed that it keeps long enough so you can do something about it.It sounds more radical to you though. 20 times is kinda much. This has to be covered by someone around here by now. these guys.. have the tendency to post much about anything.
Bob Slydell
I don't think you can be killed by lifesteal as it's not really considered damage, although it still adds nice DPS to anything since it takes health, just like damage does, lol. But no I don't think you can be killed by life steal itself.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Life_steal
http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Life_steal
Kerwyn Nasilan
MisterB
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I don't think you can be killed by lifesteal as it's not really considered damage, although it still adds nice DPS to anything since it takes health, just like damage does, lol. But no I don't think you can be killed by life steal itself.
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@OP: You should be dead.
Bug?
silavor
He's got a guardian angel, 'nuff said!
But is it possible that you're just lagging badly? I find that when I have massive lag spikes, all degen and damage stops on me at 1hp, only to kill me when my client catches up with the server.
But is it possible that you're just lagging badly? I find that when I have massive lag spikes, all degen and damage stops on me at 1hp, only to kill me when my client catches up with the server.
Bob Slydell
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That is false. Blood spike says hi. Or touch rangers. It's easy enough to test life steal in Isle of Nameless; you can kill a target or one of the masters using only life steal skills.
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Bill Clinton
Its not a bug, it was just strange luck. The hungers were at low health, and started to use grenths balance on you. You will have been very lucky - they were all at a very low threshold of health so above all other skills they were prefering to use GB on you than anything else, in an attempt to heal. Convinently they had also dropped your health too, at the perfect time. Since its grenths balance - you were neither dying, and they were'nt gaining health either.
You got caught in a strange stalemate, untill the AI tried something else. (probably one of the hungers with more health)
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Okay, yeah, this post was full of fail. I didnt even look at the screenshot. The symbiosis dropping thing sounds 20 times more realistic.
You got caught in a strange stalemate, untill the AI tried something else. (probably one of the hungers with more health)
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Okay, yeah, this post was full of fail. I didnt even look at the screenshot. The symbiosis dropping thing sounds 20 times more realistic.
Pony Slaystation
did you have symbiosis up, then let it drop?
Helix Dreadlock
Best 600 ever.
Idk, prob the life-steal thing, since it really ISNT damage.
Idk, prob the life-steal thing, since it really ISNT damage.
Pony Slaystation
Well to me, it looks like you had symbiosis up for a while, then let it drop.
The game thinks of this as you having less than one hp, but the regen keeps you alive. Since life-stealing doesn't cause "damage", it doesn't kill you. Healing, and regular "damage dealing" attacks cause the game to see your health as being altered. Since it is being changed to a number that is below 1, it would kill you. Life stealing however, isn't damage, so it won't kill you.
The game thinks of this as you having less than one hp, but the regen keeps you alive. Since life-stealing doesn't cause "damage", it doesn't kill you. Healing, and regular "damage dealing" attacks cause the game to see your health as being altered. Since it is being changed to a number that is below 1, it would kill you. Life stealing however, isn't damage, so it won't kill you.
RedDog91
LifeStealing is damage. If you don't believe me, 55 farm in an area with rits that use Nightmare Weapon.
Helix Dreadlock
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LifeStealing is damage. If you don't believe me, 55 farm in an area with rits that use Nightmare Weapon.
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Pony Slaystation
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LifeStealing is damage. If you don't believe me, 55 farm in an area with rits that use Nightmare Weapon.
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Try using protective spirit against it. It doesn't reduce the amount of health lost from the lifestealing skill.
Bob Slydell
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What I mean is, Lifestealing isn't "damage", by game mechanics.
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Life stealing cannot be negated.
Snograt
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in lame mans terms
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Back on-topic - a 1hp 600? I can hear the exploiter-cogs a-turnin'...
360??
Only theory I can think is that Succor keeps you alive with it's +1hp regen. Vamp touch only steal 1 hp and for some reason that regen is enough to counter it.
Zamochit
The point is that vamp touch from a lvl 28 monster should kill you if you have 1hp, even at 0 blood magic vampiric touch/bite will steal up to 29hp. Lifesteal is different to damage as it will never exceed the actual current hitpoints at the time of casting. If you have 50hp and are hit with a lvl 0 vampiric touch you will lose 29hp leaving you with 21hp. If you are then hit with a second lvl 0 vampiric touch the maximum lifesteal will be 21hp because that is all the 'life' you have left. The only thing I can think of is that the lifesteal is being calculated before health regeneration from succour is calculated. It is still a bug imo and belongs in the bug section.
aka Easy
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The point is that vamp touch from a lvl 28 monster should kill you if you have 1hp, even at 0 blood magic vampiric touch/bite will steal up to 29hp. Lifesteal is different to damage as it will never exceed the actual current hitpoints at the time of casting. If you have 50hp and are hit with a lvl 0 vampiric touch you will lose 29hp leaving you with 21hp. If you are then hit with a second lvl 0 vampiric touch the maximum lifesteal will be 21hp because that is all the 'life' you have left. The only thing I can think of is that the lifesteal is being calculated before health regeneration from succour is calculated. It is still a bug imo and belongs in the bug section.
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Rot wallows from MQSC lifesteal too, wonder if any of the speed clearers out there have noticed what you're saying here.
AmoebaInfectionTechnique
It must be the R/Mo with Patient Spirit..
??iljo
Saw an assa run duncan HM and tank all restless dead.
They touched him but he didn't coz of 1hp regen from grail of might.
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They touched him but he didn't coz of 1hp regen from grail of might.
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Konker2020
Like most others I'm gonna have to say either luck or a bug.
Zamochit
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If this were true, shouldn't you survive lifesteal attempts when you 55 with regen from healing breeze or mending? The most the creature should be able to steal would be 55 health since it's ignoring prot spirit, but since you're using runes and mods to lower your health, it may be some game mechanic that works backwards from 600.
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Mesmer in Need
My guess is that when symbiosis dropped, he dropped below 0 health, similar to endure or defy pain. The lifestealing tried to take all the health it could (it will never steal more than the target has) which was only 1. However, since he was still under 0 his health was regening back to one and he wasn't killed because he never took any damage.
MisterB
Please look at the screen shots. Symbiosis is not in the build, and nothing in the Veil uses it. The screens also show Vampiric Bite and Vampiric Touch both stealing just 1 life, consecutively, while the OP has 1 point of health remaining. This looks like some sort of bug or display error.
??iljo
1hp regen=imba
Thats it.
Thats it.
AngeliqueSynner
I had a moment like that in Alliance Battles without Succor.
I was at 1 HP for almost 2 minutes, I killed 3 people while being attacked and didn't die.
O_o
I was invincible.
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I was using Illusion of Weakness an was degened beyond the 25% trigger.
Then was hit with what should have been a fatal shot at about 13 HP. Brought me to 1 and took my enchant away. So I'm assuming it triggered and I gained the health back, though it didn't show.
It's either that or I was the only one in a 2 minute lag-fit able to use my skills in real-time.
o_O
I was at 1 HP for almost 2 minutes, I killed 3 people while being attacked and didn't die.
O_o
I was invincible.
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I was using Illusion of Weakness an was degened beyond the 25% trigger.
Then was hit with what should have been a fatal shot at about 13 HP. Brought me to 1 and took my enchant away. So I'm assuming it triggered and I gained the health back, though it didn't show.
It's either that or I was the only one in a 2 minute lag-fit able to use my skills in real-time.
o_O
dark4190
OP here; let me start by saying I did not use symbiosis, so please rule that out.
ty for the compliment
I do believe succor was the reason I was alive but why are they only doing 1 damage with their touch skills? (check out screenshots)
No, It was at a constant 1hp, I didn't observe Patient on me once; not to mention my ranger was at a far distance maintaining QZ for me.
Exactly. Why are they only stealing just 1 life? I'm not restricting the damage they can do to me in any way. (such as PS)
ty all for your posts. As I said before, the only time I died is when they physically hit me. I tanked there for a good 30 seconds with just the two or three of them left spamming touch skills.
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Best 600 ever.
Idk, prob the life-steal thing, since it really ISNT damage. |
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Only theory I can think is that Succor keeps you alive with it's +1hp regen. Vamp touch only steal 1 hp and for some reason that regen is enough to counter it.
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Originally Posted by AmoebaInfectionTechnique
It must be the R/Mo with Patient Spirit..
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Please look at the screen shots. Symbiosis is not in the build, and nothing in the Veil uses it. The screens also show Vampiric Bite and Vampiric Touch both stealing just 1 life, consecutively, while the OP has 1 point of health remaining. This looks like some sort of bug or display error.
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ty all for your posts. As I said before, the only time I died is when they physically hit me. I tanked there for a good 30 seconds with just the two or three of them left spamming touch skills.
tghoodoo
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Saw an assa run duncan HM and tank all restless dead.
They touched him but he didn't coz of 1hp regen from grail of might. (imba) |
360??
You only have 1 HP to steal, so they can't possibly steal more.
"Touch target foe to steal up to 29...65 Health. "
"Touch target foe to steal up to 29...65 Health. "
tghoodoo
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Originally Posted by 360°
You only have 1 HP to steal, so they can't possibly steal more.
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360??
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So why wasn't the 1hp taken? thats what i'm curious about.
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WhiteAsIce
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So why wasn't the 1hp taken? thats what i'm curious about.
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Enar.
Bill Clinton
This is a bug in any and all life steal skills. Thats all. They cant kill you with vampiric skills becauseit always leaves you with 1hp left.
However - there is a bug. If the skill that causes the life stealing deals more damage than the targets max health (i.e one hit of such a life stealing skill will kill you, even if you're at full health) then it will kill you regardless.
Some examples:
I have 100 hp, and something hits me with a vampiric bite that does 60 damage. It bites me twice, and I am reduced to 1hp. It cannot kill me unless it uses a physical attack (or a direct damage skill)
I have 100hp, something hits me with a vampiric bite for 101 lifestealing. I instantly die.
There IS a bug, thats why lifestealing is fatal for 55hp monks but not for 600's.
However - there is a bug. If the skill that causes the life stealing deals more damage than the targets max health (i.e one hit of such a life stealing skill will kill you, even if you're at full health) then it will kill you regardless.
Some examples:
I have 100 hp, and something hits me with a vampiric bite that does 60 damage. It bites me twice, and I am reduced to 1hp. It cannot kill me unless it uses a physical attack (or a direct damage skill)
I have 100hp, something hits me with a vampiric bite for 101 lifestealing. I instantly die.
There IS a bug, thats why lifestealing is fatal for 55hp monks but not for 600's.
stretchs
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... cannot kill me unless it uses a physical attack (or a direct damage skill)
I have 100hp, something hits me with a vampiric bite for 101 lifestealing. I instantly die. There IS a bug, thats why lifestealing is fatal for 55hp monks but not for 600's. |
Gennadios
Witnessed a similar thing towards the end of the Silvetarm portion of slaver's exile in HM. I was resto healing and our tank set off a group of touchers.
Since life stealing bypassed all his armor bonuses, he went down to 1hp almost instantly. Strange thing after, I hit with spirit light/soothing memories 3 times, and he'd nearly instantly be brought down to extremely low (I assume 1) HP. Oddly he stayed alive for 6 seconds until being taken out by a lightning bolt from a Smoke Phantom.
If he had both Endure && Defy Pain he would have had in excess of 1k health at the time. I don't know if that has something to do /w the difference between it being fatal to 55's vs 600s. Was the first time I've witnessed anything like it.
Since life stealing bypassed all his armor bonuses, he went down to 1hp almost instantly. Strange thing after, I hit with spirit light/soothing memories 3 times, and he'd nearly instantly be brought down to extremely low (I assume 1) HP. Oddly he stayed alive for 6 seconds until being taken out by a lightning bolt from a Smoke Phantom.
If he had both Endure && Defy Pain he would have had in excess of 1k health at the time. I don't know if that has something to do /w the difference between it being fatal to 55's vs 600s. Was the first time I've witnessed anything like it.
Kashrlyyk
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glacialphoenix
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The moment they could start moving again they died. =\
Lord Aro
Posted something similar too not long ago, maybe something was changed in the engine handling vamp?
Had it happen again the other day too, luckily the guy died when he was wanded.
Had it happen again the other day too, luckily the guy died when he was wanded.