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KoKoS

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08 Jul 2009 at 13:52 - 1

sorry if this is wrong place..
Are we expecting too much from Gw2?

every suggestion someone makes in Sardelac sanitarium gets this answer:
"Maybe in Gw2.."

the thing is: Do we dream of gw2 as the game that will fulfill all of our hopes for gw1? and if it isn't what we expect will we end up saying:
"Gw2 is the same as gw1.. only some minor changes.. boo

"

immortius

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08 Jul 2009 at 13:59 - 2

Well, it would certainly be to much to expect any major changes to GW1. So that means expectations and hopes are displaced onto GW2 by default.

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08 Jul 2009 at 14:00 - 3

What you folow me into riverside?

to answer your question.. I tjhink Community does.. people as in an individual doesnt.

An individual hopes for it but doesnt expect it.. Now the mass of thos eplayers discussing it 24/7 here give themselves amn illusion that thast the way its gonna be its just how the mind is set up.. if majority thinks so it must be true.

Mordakai

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08 Jul 2009 at 14:02 - 4

Oh, I'm sure some people are expecting GW2 to be the best game ever.

It will be radically different from original GW, however: no henchmen or heros, just a single optional companion; higher level cap (or none at all!); persistent areas; different armor and weapon system; possible new professions and/or different character mechanics.

So, I'm not expecting GW1 with "minor changes" at all. I'm anticipating whole new game... for better or for worse.

jackers1234

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08 Jul 2009 at 14:05 - 5

i think some people are expecting far too much from this game.

my worry is, that with this pressure from the GW community, ANet will cave and produce some lame WoW copy where the emphasis is on the grind, rather then the game, as opposed to sticking to their original GW concept, which, for me, is the best MMO around by miles.

Ravious

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08 Jul 2009 at 14:33 - 6

It's hard not to, really with how ANet is handling things. When GW2 news was released, ANet could have merely decided to announce that GW2 was in progress. INSTEAD, they disclosed all sorts of features and mechanics that would be included. Of course this provides somewhat of a skeleton for our imaginations. ANet has decided not to curb any of the imaginative meat we place on the skeleton by releasing more information, so of course we are going to shoot for the sky.

tasha

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08 Jul 2009 at 14:50 - 7

Quote:

Originally Posted by KoKoS

sorry if this is wrong place..
Are we expecting too much from Gw2?

every suggestion someone makes in Sardelac sanitarium gets this answer:
"Maybe in Gw2.."

the thing is: Do we dream of gw2 as the game that will fulfill all of our hopes for gw1? and if it isn't what we expect will we end up saying:
"Gw2 is the same as gw1.. only some minor changes.. boo

"

I don't think thats the feeling at all. There are many features the community have asked for or bugs that are just too deep rooted to address effectively in the GW1 framework. People don't expect the resources to be dedicated to addressing the issues so people say "maybe in GW2" because that is at a stage where they may be able to address these issues without the huge manpower requirement to address it in GW1. I'm sure many features won't make it, but some will because there was the opportunity to address them from a fresh base and they add to the game.

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08 Jul 2009 at 14:52 - 8

If GW2 = GW1 with 100 slots for the ignore list then I will be happy. Actually make it 200 and I can add everyone who posts to this thread. I will even add myself!

Gun Pierson

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08 Jul 2009 at 14:53 - 9

Well Anet said it's going to be the best mmo ever, so the expectations are very high and they were high to begin with after a title like GW1.

Personally, I first want to see and play the game before I make big statements like Mr O'Brian.

Aljasha

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08 Jul 2009 at 14:56 - 10

yes, i expect much from gw2. but i wouldn't call it hype. the only reason i am looking forward to gw2 is the fact that gw1 was so much different from other mmorpgs (in a good way), hence gw2 might be a league of its own (hopefully, in a good way too).

i don't expect revolutionary gameplay/mechanics/stuff - everything possible was already realised in some sort of way by other game companies - but i am expecting a polished game, which is enjoyable for - at least - 4 years.

if anet decides to create a rival to wow, gw2 will flop.

SurrealFi

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08 Jul 2009 at 15:03 - 11

I dont expect anything at all from GW2, especially nothing dreamed up on these forums. That way I'll be 100% happy when I finally play the game, which I will do no matter what. :-)

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08 Jul 2009 at 15:06 - 12

I don't expect anything from GW2, all I do is hope.

Eddie Frenzy Spam

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08 Jul 2009 at 15:24 - 13

While my hopes are high for GW2, the more I hear about it the more my expectations fall.

Ideally I would actually just want something very similar to GW1 with regards to combat and PvP, except with proper balance and none of the current problems.

As for PvE, it doesn't bother me to much, as long as it has a somewhat engaging storyline and plenty to do, I'd be happy.

I really do hope they will stick with many of the concepts they have in GW1 but update it more, give it a new feel however I do get the feeling GW2 will contain none of the things we loved in GW1 and I really do think they will ruin PvP altogether, creating yet another WoW clone.

Kook~NBK~

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08 Jul 2009 at 15:40 - 14

Yes, there are people out there are getting their expectations too high with regards to GW2. Pfft... Their expectations for GW1's monthly updates are way too high!

Short

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08 Jul 2009 at 15:46 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Yes, there are people out there are getting their expectations too high with regards to GW2. Pfft... Their expectations for GW1's monthly updates are way too high!

Are you living in a hole? People's expectations for the monthly skill updates seem to be at an all time low.

Ugh

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08 Jul 2009 at 16:17 - 16

GW2 better be pretty freakin' good considering all the time and rescources it's taking up.

Obrien Xp

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08 Jul 2009 at 17:03 - 17

IMO people are expecting a bit too much, then again, what do we have to look at? A few articles and a logo. The most we'll see before its release is lore (which is good for me) in the form of the books.

Eddie Frenzy Spam

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08 Jul 2009 at 17:50 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obrien Xp

The most we'll see before its release is lore (which is good for me) in the form of the books.

No one has ever said that the only thing we will see before the release is Lore, when have you ever seen a game released in the entire history of games that has only released lore before the proper release of the game?

(There might actually be one or two, I dunno, I don't claim to know every game released, my point still stands though, that would be an incredibly stupid marketing decision, no one in their right mind would do this.)

Srak Scream

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08 Jul 2009 at 18:00 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackers1234

i think some people are expecting far too much from this game.

my worry is, that with this pressure from the GW community, ANet will cave and produce some lame WoW copy where the emphasis is on the grind, rather then the game, as opposed to sticking to their original GW concept, which, for me, is the best MMO around by miles.

I completely agree with that, not that pve was ever my cup of tea, I play it to make my characters look cool for pvp thats it

I also agree with the reaper because my biggest worry right now is that they will ruin pvp with a combination of changes, either having more skills, too many classes or races, and too high level cap

As long as pvp is balanced relatively well, they can make 1000 the level cap and make the campaign hundreds of hours long if they want, I just don't want them the ruin the competitive side of things

EinherjarMx

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08 Jul 2009 at 18:02 - 20

right now, expecting a gw2 release is expecting too much

Mordakai

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Kyhlo

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08 Jul 2009 at 18:34 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

right now, expecting a gw2 release is expecting too much

Oh, ha-ha, another conspiracy poster...

Seriously, why do people think the doom & gloomers are better than Fanboys again?

Shadowhaze

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08 Jul 2009 at 18:40 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackers1234

i think some people are expecting far too much from this game.

my worry is, that with this pressure from the GW community, ANet will cave and produce some lame WoW copy where the emphasis is on the grind, rather then the game, as opposed to sticking to their original GW concept, which, for me, is the best MMO around by miles.

I agree with this also.

I do expect it to be a good game, but with things I've read of it, I'm waiting to see more before I decide if I'll even bother.

But it's a game people have been anticipating for quite a while, so yeah people will be hyped for it...though with so little new info, it's hard to stay hyped.

Mokeiro

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08 Jul 2009 at 18:47 - 23

GW2 will be a piece of crap, microtransaction fueled piece of crap.

Ryssul Sylverhart

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08 Jul 2009 at 19:11 - 24

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackers1234

my worry is, that with this pressure from the GW community, ANet will cave and produce some lame WoW copy where the emphasis is on the grind, rather then the game, as opposed to sticking to their original GW concept, which, for me, is the best MMO around by miles.

This.

I will admit, I have high expectations for GW2. I love(d) GW1. It was a beautiful series of game, very fun, kept me occupied for years. I was sheltered by its casual atmosphere. I would always come back to GW1 instead of WoW or any of those Korean grinding games because GW1 was storyline-centric, fast-paced (for the most part), had little-to-no grind (well, Prophecies-era, at least), free...: it didn't feel like a chore to me. I could ditch it for a couple of months, pick it back up, and be on my way again.

So of course, I'm apprehensive on how they will make GW2, especially when it sounds so much (from the little information that we have) like they're ditching [some of] their original premises and making it more like the generic MMO/WoW competitor. I try to imagine it as free-roaming as Prophecies, but with all the [not optional] grind they started adding in since Factions and accumulating into EoTN, I'm wondering, "Oh God, what will they do for GW2?" (on top of them already making it drastically different anyway with like, high level caps and whatnot).

I really do hope they make GW2 as great as--no, even better than--GW1. I have high expectations for them on that issue, because I DID fall in love with GW, and not generic MMO #72, and it kind of saddens me that they do this. I guess I'll just have to wait for more information, if I'm still around if it ever comes out. I hope that GW2 doesn't turn into another generic MMO, but half of me is rather pessimistic.

Obrien Xp

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08 Jul 2009 at 19:17 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddie the reaper

No one has ever said that the only thing we will see before the release is Lore, when have you ever seen a game released in the entire history of games that has only released lore before the proper release of the game?

(There might actually be one or two, I dunno, I don't claim to know every game released, my point still stands though, that would be an incredibly stupid marketing decision, no one in their right mind would do this.)

Anet said that they won't release anything until the game is released in beta. (other than the few things we know from their first statement). They did say that they'll release books to cover the story.

Burton2000

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08 Jul 2009 at 19:19 - 26

As long as it has good well balanced GvG in it i couldnt give a damn how the rest of the game is.

Mordakai

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08 Jul 2009 at 19:29 - 27

Look, we all know the basic mechanics are going to change. We know that.

But is the level 20 cap what made Guild Wars so popular? Some would say yes, and those people probably aren't going to buy GW2 on general principle.

I would argue the mechanics are not the sole reason a game is successful or not. It may be part of the reason, but not the only reason.

No, Guild Wars was successful because it was the first MMORPG with a real story... a beginning, middle and end story, with not too much BS in between.

That's what made Guild Wars really unique, what really propelled you to get to the next mission to find out what happens next.

Now, am I saying the stores were perfect? No, of course not, Factions was too predictable, and Nightfall was too long, IMO.

But, IF ArenaNet can translate the basic feeling of Guild Wars, that certain "essence of being" that is so hard to describe, it will be a great game.

In the end of the day, people don't play games because of the mechanics. They play games because they get into the world, they want to explore, they want that new weapon or ability or whatever, they, in a word, want.

And the mysterious ability to create that "want" is what keeps driving game developers to keep making games.

EinherjarMx

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08 Jul 2009 at 20:38 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordakai

Oh, ha-ha, another conspiracy poster...

Seriously, why do people think the doom & gloomers are better than Fanboys again?

"No expectations, no disappointments."

Oh, and I'm (doom and gloomy) not thinking I'm better than you (fanboy?)

The thing is, I don't like the "it will be done when it is done" position anet took.
Stating that the game will have this and that, and bears shooting lazers from their azzes is just creating a huge hype that in one way or another is going to let down some people, and thats inevitable.

And to make it worse there's the fact that we don't even get to see a screenshot, a teaser or something. And I know that a screenshot means nothing (duke nukem forever anyone?), but it still will give some peace of mind to some people.

Mordakai

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08 Jul 2009 at 21:09 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by EinherjarMx

"No expectations, no disappointments."

Oh, and I'm (doom and gloomy) not thinking I'm better than you (fanboy?)

The thing is, I don't like the "it will be done when it is done" position anet took.
Stating that the game will have this and that, and bears shooting lazers from their azzes is just creating a huge hype that in one way or another is going to let down some people, and thats inevitable.

And to make it worse there's the fact that we don't even get to see a screenshot, a teaser or something. And I know that a screenshot means nothing (duke nukem forever anyone?), but it still will give some peace of mind to some people.

There's a big difference between being cynical, and outright hostile.

I'm cynical, I've said myself GW2 could suck. It's a big departure from Guild Wars, who knows if it will have the same elements that I like?

But to basically say that Guild Wars 2 will never come out, that it's just a big joke by Anet... well, in order to believe that, you have to believe that NCSoft is just dumb. And I don't think NCSoft would have promoted Mike O'Brien if he was just pulling a stunt.

As to why say "it's ready when it's done..." well, Hello!, standard industry practice! Same thing Blizzard does, nobody gets mad at them about it, fans know it takes time to make good games.

Declaring GW2 as vaporware is a cheap shot, and frankly, an accusation I'm getting tired of. Offer some proof that ArenaNet is engaged in a conspiracy, or else save your time and add something useful to the conversation.

HawkofStorms

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08 Jul 2009 at 21:11 - 30

I wish people would stop with the dumb conspiracy posts.
Comparing a game that has been in development for under 3 years (GW2), which is still within the normal time frame for a video game development, to one that was in development for 15 (DNF) is a retarded overreaction.

shoyon456

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08 Jul 2009 at 21:15 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowhaze

I do expect it to be a good game, but with things I've read of it, I'm waiting to see more before I decide if I'll even bother.

The only things you COULD have read about it is lore and general things that are common in 90% of MMO's on the market. Maybe that's enough to turn you away (it is for me).

The irony is that I heard recently that alot of things are still under consideration for GW2. I think the way GW1 has been handeled since Anet went on to GW2 proves that we should expect the bare minimum and a shitty game from them.

Until I see proof that Anet has their act together, no matter how good GW2 LOOKS, I will not buy it. I'm not falling for their eye candy bait-and-switch again. GW1 showed me personally that a good game can quickly become a crap game with bad management and updates.

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08 Jul 2009 at 21:37 - 32

I'm an optimistic pessimist. I assume guild wars 2 will suck until proven wrong. This way I am not disappointed.

No click to move = FAIL!!
-And if I don't like it I should find a different game to play? You're damn skippy I will!

zealos

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08 Jul 2009 at 23:15 - 33

dont mean to sound like a total obsessive geek but here it goes....

as far as gaming goes for me it was grand theft autos and football manager games......playing guild wars for 3 1/2 years has changed the way i play games and ive loved every moment of it....

so for me ive never ever been more excited about a game in my life and i reckon it will be amazing.....AMAZING

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09 Jul 2009 at 00:00 - 34

The small amount of info I've read about GW2 makes me visualize a WoW clone.

Essentially, unless every bit of gameplay info that has been released on GW2 is suddenly debunked, I don't look forward to its release and won't be buying it.

Sword Hammer Axe

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09 Jul 2009 at 08:39 - 35

I don't expect anything... at all :P

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09 Jul 2009 at 09:00 - 36

I have very high expectations of GW2. I think back to how great GW1 was when it first released, and how much they got done in just 1.5 years (Factions and Nightfall). Then they doubled the team size and have been silently working on GW2 for a while now.

5 years will have passed, and a lot more is now known about what things work and don't work in MMOs, and how people actually spend their time playing, so there's plenty of opportunity to fix design mistakes from GW1, avoid pitfalls other games have fallen into, and innovate with some new stuff. Also, they are supposedly investing a lot in their content creation tools, so hopefully they can crank out the content a lot faster in GW2.

If GW2 isn't good, I'm probably done with the MMO genre for a while. I just can't stand these uninspiring generic games coming out these days (hi Aion).

jackers1234

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09 Jul 2009 at 09:08 - 37

i really do hope GW2 is as good, if not better than GW1, as i have been playing GW1 since release, and have loved every minute of it. ANet have created a unique game, an MMO that isnt just a WoW clone, and i hope they stick to this for GW2.

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09 Jul 2009 at 09:39 - 38

I believe it is very difficult for Anet to please everyone, what information we have does not inspire any confidence that made GW1 what it is (yes it needs a lot of support, updates still and less grind). My expectations for GW2 is that it will fail to excite or interest me the way GW1 did and still does, and I find that very disappointing.

Recent events in communicating information, issues and updates for GW1 give me the impression that these important things will remain the same for GW2, and for that I really find it difficult to get excited about GW2.

When I heard about GW2, when they announced it I was really hyped about it, but the companion, the ability to jump/swim and recent pay to purchase features update provide little if any compelling reason to want to be involved with this brand beyond GW1.

GW2 will be far too different in any event for my tastes. So chances are I will look to other games like D3......

Abedeus

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09 Jul 2009 at 09:50 - 39

Speak for yourselves, I don't expect anything from it.

I don't even expect that it will be released before 2012.

jackers1234

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09 Jul 2009 at 10:05 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverblad3

GW2 will be far too different in any event for my tastes. So chances are I will look to other games like D3......

im starting to agree with this tbh, the info theyve released so far leans towards WoW copy, and as much as i like the warcraft franchise, that is not a style of MMO that i want to play, too much grind, not enough high end PvP, and little to no story.

i hope i am wrong, and that GW2 will be as unique when it is released, as GW1 was when that was released.