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akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

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11 Jul 2009 at 16:57 - 1

Why make Kind of a Big Deal (KoaBD) - Maxed titles rank account wide?

Reasons:

1. This title is neither an exclusively PvE or PvP title, it combines/tallies both (PvE + PvP) and thus reflects the acheivement of a player instead of a character (PvP titles might not have been earned by that character displaying his/her KoaBD).

2. It will allow title grinding to be spread across account as one's different characters can grind different titles instead of having one character (of one profession) do everything.

3. It doesn't cheapen any of the grind titles (Koabd keeps tally of maxed titles and is not a grind title itself), as the present titles can still remain as individual character-based or account wide.

4. We still need to farm certain titles for each character (like Sunspear, Lightbringer, Norn,Asuran etc.) to meet PvE related requirements like area access and armor crafting etc. for our individual characters.

5. Repeatedly maxing the same title for different characters should be a choice (not everyone has the time to do that for all their characters). We still have to max it on atleast one character. Some titles will still need to done on one character (like Protector and Guardian titles, to get Legendary Guardian).

6. This game has 10 fun professions to play, don't limit us to using just one to grind titles.

7. Mutually exclusive titles like Defender of Ascalon & Legendary Survivor will still be seperate on charaters but not penalise the player account-wise in terms of maxed title grinding.

8. KoaBD titles has absolutely no effect gameplay-wise, it is just for display has no skills or 'aura' benefits so it will not give newly created characters unfair advantages.

9. "God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals" does not count itself as part of no. of maxed titles, thus will not increase the no. of max titles an individual character has.

10. It was mentioned our titles & achievements will be recorded account-wide and transferred to GW2 for benefits.

11. It is already 'account-wide' display-wise in the Hall of Monument, so there is no reason why KoaBD shouldn't be officially account wide too (all it will do is let all our characters' Hall of Monument display the same Winged-Armor statue in the middle).

12. As small perk, those with KoaBD or higher don't have to switch characters just to show their friends around their Halls or display their KoaBDs.

Thank you for reading and hopefully support

IronSheik

Forge Runner

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11 Jul 2009 at 17:16 - 2

Only thing I want to see account wide is sweets/drunk. I hate having to use my holiday cons stupidly all at once on one char, and never use on any other char.

But /notsigned, when I see a r6 para I say to myself "Wow, I hate my para" Because if you can just hop to any character, i.e. 55 monk for Ruins of Morah, or 600/smite for Hidden city vanquish, it takes away a lot of the challenge of doing it the regular way.

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

11 Jul 2009 at 17:28 - 3

/not signed

It punishes people with duplicate titles on multiple toons. Having the HoM account wide is fair enough as it stands.

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

11 Jul 2009 at 17:34 - 4

/signed

Anything that lessens grind is fine by me.

Don't see a problem with it unless people that have already gotten it don't want others to get it.

stale

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

canada

Bong Wielding Maniacs

R/Mo

11 Jul 2009 at 17:50 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowhaze

/signed

Anything that lessens grind is fine by me.

Don't see a problem with it unless people that have already gotten it don't want others to get it.

and the above will be the whole reason for anyone not wanting the various titles to be account wide.

as far as i 'm concerned, the only two titles that shouldn't automatically be account wide are survivor and legendary defender of ascalon. even the "storyline titles" (sunspear/lightbringer) ought to be account wide.

you've ground them out once, should be enough.

Shadowspawn X

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2005

Fellowship of Champions

R/E

11 Jul 2009 at 17:58 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by stale

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowhaze

/signed

Anything that lessens grind is fine by me.

Don't see a problem with it unless people that have already gotten it don't want others to get it.

and the above will be the whole reason for anyone not wanting the various titles to be account wide.

Absolutely not. If a guy gets KoaBD on ten characters he deserves to display it on all of his ten toons, while a guy with one KoaBD doesn't deserve to show it on ten toons because it belies his accomplishments. I don't get why you ignore that fact. Its already stupid my pvp toon is a grandmaster treasure hunter lets not screw up the entire system!

Polgara Val

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Apr 2007

TSR

Mo/Me

11 Jul 2009 at 18:10 - 7

/Signed

Pol

Pistachio

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2006

W/R

11 Jul 2009 at 18:13 - 8

I don't really care either way, though I do think that more titles should be account wide.

freakdaddy

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

Ohio, USA

Tales of Heroes[myth]

A/Me

11 Jul 2009 at 18:31 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by stale

and the above will be the whole reason for anyone not wanting the various titles to be account wide.

as far as i 'm concerned, the only two titles that shouldn't automatically be account wide are survivor and legendary defender of ascalon. even the "storyline titles" (sunspear/lightbringer) ought to be account wide.

you've ground them out once, should be enough.

absolutely /signed

leetLoLa

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2009

Pawn!

Who Are You [wAu]

W/Mo

11 Jul 2009 at 18:33 - 10

/notsigned

its unfair for the ppl that got maxed koabd at many toons at the same a/c /=

KZaske

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jun 2006

Boise Idaho

Druids Of Old (DOO)

R/Mo

11 Jul 2009 at 18:58 - 11

/Not signed.

How will making KoaBD account wide reduce grind?

mastar of warrior

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

sweden

N/A

Mo/

11 Jul 2009 at 19:10 - 12

/Notsigned...
Its not supposed to be a title thats easy to get.
its not supposed to be fast or easy.
its supposed to be a Challenge,if that means grind, so be it.
If you feel like being Lazy, Simply dont do it.
But for Heavens sake, DONT MAKE KIND OF A BIG DEAL ACCOUNT WIDE

Accursed

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2007

11 Jul 2009 at 19:11 - 13

/notsigned

KoBD is not suppose to be an easy title to get. Hell it's easy right now, and since you can't get it, you want it to be easier.

Coast

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

11 Jul 2009 at 19:22 - 14

not signed, if u want it on several toons then u gotte do it on all toons

Shadowhaze

Nothing, tra la la?

Join Date: Oct 2007

11 Jul 2009 at 19:29 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by stale

and the above will be the whole reason for anyone not wanting the various titles to be account wide.

as far as i 'm concerned, the only two titles that shouldn't automatically be account wide are survivor and legendary defender of ascalon. even the "storyline titles" (sunspear/lightbringer) ought to be account wide.

you've ground them out once, should be enough.

Yep, it's enough of a do things over and over (aka grind) fest as it is anyway.

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

11 Jul 2009 at 19:37 - 16

Some of you claim it makes KoaBD cheaper and easier to get. What I proposed was to make it register account wide as it tallies the different max titles on a single account.

It's not easier to get in anyway for a player, they still have to grind for those titles the way it is now just be able to use other professions as well.

My concern is many players (including my friends and myself) end up almost always using the same character to do everything in PvE and even while resting in towns/outposts (party/ale/sweet). Only in PvP do some switch around characters, which gives account wide titles.

I just don't see why players have to be forced to limit themselves to playing one single character most of the time outside PvP, inorder to grind for Maxed title rank ranging from KoaBD to GWAMM.

mastar of warrior

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

sweden

N/A

Mo/

11 Jul 2009 at 19:41 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

Some of you claim it makes KoaBD cheaper and easier to get. What I proposed was to make it register account wide as it tallies the different max titles on a single account.

It's not easier to get in anyway for a player, they still have to grind for those titles the way it is now just be able to use other professions as well.

My concern is many players (including my friends and myself) end up almost always using the same character to do everything in PvE and even while resting in towns/outposts (party/ale/sweet). Only in PvP do some switch around characters, which gives account wide titles.

I just don't see why players have to be forced to limit themselves to playing one single character most of the time outside PvP, inorder to grind for Maxed title rank ranging from KoaBD to GWAMM.

Normally you have 1 character you play more then others.

IronSheik

Forge Runner

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11 Jul 2009 at 19:42 - 18

Because playing one character is part of the challenge, if you could simply hop on a sin to perma titles for a say, ritualist, how is that not easier.

KoaBD isn't mean to be easy.

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

11 Jul 2009 at 19:44 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastar of warrior

Normally you have 1 character you play more then others.

Yes, normally most have one favourite. However, that doesn't you should be limited to play only one.

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

11 Jul 2009 at 19:50 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronSheik

Because playing one character is part of the challenge, if you could simply hop on a sin to perma titles for a say, ritualist, how is that not easier.

KoaBD isn't mean to be easy.

If you are talking about earning perma-ble/solo-able titles, people actually hitch free rides from runners for many of those titles and do basically nothing (regardless of which profession).
If we let people have more choice in professions, they might actually try to perma or 600 etc. themselves than hitch and leech

IronSheik

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11 Jul 2009 at 19:52 - 21

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

If we let people have more choice in professions, they might actually try to perma or 600 etc. themselves than hitch and leech

You have 8 character slots with all 3 bases, you have plenty of profession choice, this is about having the tenacity to do everything on one character, being able to do it on everything and counting as a whole certainly makes the title easier.

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

11 Jul 2009 at 19:55 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

/not signed

It punishes people with duplicate titles on multiple toons. Having the HoM account wide is fair enough as it stands.

Well, if someone wants to have say Sweettooth on both his/her Monk and Mesmer. They'd still have to grind 20,000 points worth of sugar to display on both characters.

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

11 Jul 2009 at 20:02 - 23

/notsigned. Theres no reason to do that . All titles that give something useful are account wide so imho wanting the title to be displayed in all chars just for the sake of it is not needed at all.

[Morkai]

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

Heroes of Elonia [HE]

W/Rt

11 Jul 2009 at 20:06 - 24

tl;dr

It's a bad idea.

Helix Dreadlock

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jan 2009

Imperial Sanctum

Legendary Drunken Masters [DUI]

E/Me

11 Jul 2009 at 20:07 - 25

/notsigned

it's prestigious (sorta) let it be prestigious

Nodakim

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

Hrvatska

N/Me

11 Jul 2009 at 20:16 - 26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

/not signed

It punishes people with duplicate titles on multiple toons. Having the HoM account wide is fair enough as it stands.

You reason is retarded,the duplicate titles wouldnt count towards koabd.

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

11 Jul 2009 at 20:16 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronSheik

You have 8 character slots with all 3 bases, you have plenty of profession choice, this is about having the tenacity to do everything on one character, being able to do it on everything and counting as a whole certainly makes the title easier.

Don't you think being able to do it using your own effort is better than having leeched most of one's maxed titles?

The EotN racial titles are basically ride and leech from runners these days (sadly).

Titles like Vanquishers, Cartographers and Guardians still require (regardless of profession or build) work on the players' part.

Consumable titles (Zrank, sweet, ale, party) still consumes the same amount of gold (assuming they buy zkeys) and have no character/profession restriction with regards to tenacity or difficulty (they can farm with a 600/perma etc. then use gold to feed those titles to their KoaBD character).

Just because it's not 'farmed' (many don't even need to be) using one character, doesn't make it harder or easier but gives you more choices/ chances to try out another profession you might have mastered/favoured more if given more play time with

Nodakim

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

Hrvatska

N/Me

11 Jul 2009 at 20:20 - 28

KOABD just makes people play 1 class instead of others,which is why i am not doing it.
I want to play all my "alts" my ranger,ritualist,elementalist,necro etc...
Not just my necro because he already has 10 maxed titles.

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

11 Jul 2009 at 20:27 - 29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tenebrae

/notsigned. Theres no reason to do that . All titles that give something useful are account wide so imho wanting the title to be displayed in all chars just for the sake of it is not needed at all.

My main concern was not because I want to have it displayable on all characters, but to break the limitation of playing one character in PvE all the time due to this title.

Many players end up not playing their other characters of different professions because they want to work on their KoaBD for that char.

Sometimes it ends up with a group/team of too many of the same profession, instead of switching characters some even opt out of play.

arch psyker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Cantha

Pantheon Of Shadows [dei]

Rt/

11 Jul 2009 at 20:34 - 30

/notsigned

It's all about prestige and dedication. Honestly I was even against having the HoM account-based too even though a few of my titles benefit from it (wisdom and treasure hunter).

If you want to play your alts play your alts, if you want GWAMM play your main. It's that simple.

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

11 Jul 2009 at 20:34 - 31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helix Dreadlock

/notsigned

it's prestigious (sorta) let it be prestigious

Regardless of how one values it (prestigious or not), it is part PvP (which is acct wide) and a measure of you as a player who has worked to maxed multiple titles, not you as a particular one-profession-pony toon/character

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

R/

11 Jul 2009 at 20:46 - 32

Quote:

Originally Posted by arch psyker

/notsigned

It's all about prestige and dedication. Honestly I was even against having the HoM account-based too even though a few of my titles benefit from it (wisdom and treasure hunter).

If you want to play your alts play your alts, if you want GWAMM play your main. It's that simple.

Then you are limiting GWAMM or just KoaBD title earners to a life of 1 profession.

It's a great game with great variety and fun, why end up limiting ourselves just for this virtual prestige (which when converted to GW2 will be account wide benefit anyway).

I just don't wish GW to turn into a one-profession-per-player over a prestige

IronSheik

Forge Runner

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11 Jul 2009 at 20:48 - 33

Level 1 GWAMM Ftw, but honestly, it's just rediculous to have titles like this spread across all accounts just because you're forced to play one to get GWAMM, like arch said, you want Koabd, play Main, if you want diversity, play alts. And you aren't forcing them to one profession, do this, get KoaBD on all of your characters.

I have GWAMM on two characters, every other one can go anywhere, I have as much diversity as I want.

akyros

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2007

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11 Jul 2009 at 20:49 - 34

Quote:

Originally Posted by [Morkai]

tl;dr

It's a bad idea.

Why and how?

Marverick

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

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11 Jul 2009 at 20:59 - 35

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

Then you are limiting GWAMM or just KoaBD title earners to a life of 1 profession.

It's a great game with great variety and fun, why end up limiting ourselves just for this virtual prestige (which when converted to GW2 will be account wide benefit anyway).

I just don't wish GW to turn into a one-profession-per-player over a prestige

/signed this

I highly doubt it was the original intention of the game to have players play through everything with just one character. Variety was a large part of the game, at least earlier.
All titles should be account-wide. Guardian/vanquisher/etc.

If people want

Quote:

prestige

for doing everything on one character, then perhaps some sort of special character displayed on the title would be appropriate for the character that earned that title.

And seriously, who the hell gets GWAMM on more than one character? I don't think there's enough of those people to warrant consideration. And even if there are, those people should seriously just turn off their computer and enjoy life.

Need More Donuts

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2008

D/W

11 Jul 2009 at 21:00 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by mastar of warrior

/Notsigned...
Its not supposed to be a title thats easy to get.
its not supposed to be fast or easy.
its supposed to be a Challenge,if that means grind, so be it.
If you feel like being Lazy, Simply dont do it.
But for Heavens sake, DONT MAKE KIND OF A BIG DEAL ACCOUNT WIDE

Anything worth doing is not easy, make it easy and there's no point no fun...
/notsigned

IronSheik

Forge Runner

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11 Jul 2009 at 21:02 - 37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

And seriously, who the hell gets GWAMM on more than one character? I don't think there's enough of those people to warrant consideration. And even if there are, those people should seriously just turn off their computer and enjoy life.

I have 3000 hours over 4 years, and have two gwamms, Not only do I know more people with more than that in 2 years, but people with 4 times as much.

You may as well be talking to yourself saying that, stop posting here and enjoy life, they can enjoy it on GW, amirite.

arch psyker

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2006

Cantha

Pantheon Of Shadows [dei]

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11 Jul 2009 at 21:09 - 38

I have all the diversity I need. I have 10 characters, one for each class in the game. A majority of my characters have most of every campaign open and most their profession skills unlocked. If I get tired of my GWAMM character I switch to another character.

So I don't see how choosing to go for GWAMM limits a person to playing on one character.

Ultimately it only helps the casual player achieve what a person who devotes time into one character achieve. To my knowledge the original design was to have people who could casually play the game and be equal to people who play the game hardcore.

Also it's not the intention of the developers to have a player play one character, it's the nature of MMO's. You grow attached to a character, this is your virtual self. It has been that way since Everquest in late 90's and exist in every MMO since.

There are the few exceptions of players who play multiple characters on a regular basis and the rare exception in GW that players have multiple character with GWAMM.

GWAMM is a hardcore player title and I personally believe it should stay that way.

mastar of warrior

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

sweden

N/A

Mo/

11 Jul 2009 at 21:13 - 39

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

Yes, normally most have one favourite. However, that doesn't you should be limited to play only one.

You're not. There are several account wide titles.

Darth The Xx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Sen'jin Village

The Infamous Cake Bandits [cake]

Mo/W

11 Jul 2009 at 21:17 - 40

Quote:

Originally Posted by akyros

Why make Kind of a Big Deal (KoaBD) - Maxed titles rank account wide?

Reasons:
1. This title is neither an exclusively PvE or PvP title, it combines/tallies both (PvE + PvP) and thus reflects the acheivement of a player instead of a character (PvP titles might not have been earned by that character displaying his/her KoaBD).

Lol NOT exclusively PvE? Name ONE PvP title that is feasible to max. (Lux/Kurz ones don't count as they can be done insanely fast now in PvE)