Remove Montrous Claws/Fangs from non-elite armors
Kerwyn Nasilan
Several 1k armors require Claws/Fangs that boost the price well above that of a normal non-elite armor set. Replacing them with a different component may help put them in the same range as others.
Chocobo1
I would have said yes to this a few years ago, but nowdays money is so easy to get.
Although if you show a few armors in paticular I might change my mind, I can't really think of any non elite armors that have really put a strain on my money. And no, I'm not swimming in plat, I just know how to save.
Although if you show a few armors in paticular I might change my mind, I can't really think of any non elite armors that have really put a strain on my money. And no, I'm not swimming in plat, I just know how to save.
Braxton619
/signed
Well yes I agree. For non-elite ritualist armor I spent a good 50k because of claws and fangs. I agree with choco, money is so easy to gain now.
Well yes I agree. For non-elite ritualist armor I spent a good 50k because of claws and fangs. I agree with choco, money is so easy to gain now.
reaper with no name
Money is only easy to come by if you're a farmer. If you're one of those people who are still taking your second and third characters through NM and haven't touched HM yet, money can be tight at times.
I had to spend a small fortune on my rit's armor, so DEFINITELY /signed.
I had to spend a small fortune on my rit's armor, so DEFINITELY /signed.
Kerwyn Nasilan
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Well yes I agree. For non-elite ritualist armor I spent a good 50k because of claws and fangs. I agree with choco, money is so easy to gain now. |
AngelWJedi
i know one of facs normal neccy armors wants fangs or claws and a nf one that wants feathers. >>
Verene
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i know one of facs normal neccy armors wants fangs or claws and a nf one that wants feathers. >>
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And the number of claws needed for Ritualist Seitung armor is ridiculous. I love that set yet it's just far too expensive because of that.
king_trouble
Stop complainig about this, anet is not going to change this because a few people want this changed, face the facts that the prices of these mats are drasticly cheaper than they were when they came out, with the current overinflated economy of gw a few farming runs, doesn't have to be in hardmode, can net you enough gold. Go outside of ascalon or droks and farm feathers with a 55 and you can roughly make a stack or two of feathers an hour
HawkofStorms
/notsigned
All normal armor that requires this (stuff in KC for the most part) has 2 or 3 cheap alternatives available in the same town that don't. If you want the "more expensive 1k" armor, then earn it. Think of it as an in between version of 15k armor and 1k armor (kinda like how vabbian is an in between version of 15k and FoW). If you want to be a penny pincher, buy a cheaper alternative. It's purely cosmetic.
Plus, I don't like the potential bad precedent. If a.net changed this, what's next? People complaining that armor requiring steel is too expensive?
All normal armor that requires this (stuff in KC for the most part) has 2 or 3 cheap alternatives available in the same town that don't. If you want the "more expensive 1k" armor, then earn it. Think of it as an in between version of 15k armor and 1k armor (kinda like how vabbian is an in between version of 15k and FoW). If you want to be a penny pincher, buy a cheaper alternative. It's purely cosmetic.
Plus, I don't like the potential bad precedent. If a.net changed this, what's next? People complaining that armor requiring steel is too expensive?
king_trouble
People are alreAdy complaining about feathers being too expensive
smilingscar
/Notsigned for removing them.
Concerning claws, I will agree that ONE Rit armor is over priced (seitung) at 32 claws. The number required should be reduced to 21 or 24, putting it in line with the non-elite allegiance armors jade/amber req.
As for fangs, they're only required for two non-elite armors (both necro), is it really worth it to remove them? Maybe reduce the number for luxon armor (as that also requires jade), but I don't find canthan armor to be that ridiculous (it's only 7 fangs and 7 claws for the whole set, and the normal material is bone, which is dirt cheap).
All in all we're only talking about three armors: Rit seitung, Necro canthan, and Necro luxon. I don't see it as a pressing problem.
Concerning claws, I will agree that ONE Rit armor is over priced (seitung) at 32 claws. The number required should be reduced to 21 or 24, putting it in line with the non-elite allegiance armors jade/amber req.
As for fangs, they're only required for two non-elite armors (both necro), is it really worth it to remove them? Maybe reduce the number for luxon armor (as that also requires jade), but I don't find canthan armor to be that ridiculous (it's only 7 fangs and 7 claws for the whole set, and the normal material is bone, which is dirt cheap).
All in all we're only talking about three armors: Rit seitung, Necro canthan, and Necro luxon. I don't see it as a pressing problem.
glacialphoenix
There's really no point in removing them - I think reducing the number (Rit Seitung) is one thing, but you realise that for the 1k armours that require fangs/claws, the fangs and claws are all featured prominently in the design.
I mean, Luxon 1k necro has the fangs worked into the shoulders and the boots, and Rit Seitung has the claw accessories.
I used it as part of a mix = infinitely cheaper and still came out with a combination I liked. Still exhausted every last monstrous claw in my inventory, though, and I had 12.
I mean, Luxon 1k necro has the fangs worked into the shoulders and the boots, and Rit Seitung has the claw accessories.
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And the number of claws needed for Ritualist Seitung armor is ridiculous. I love that set yet it's just far too expensive because of that. |
Armed Silon
Maybe you should just think about buying a different armor if you cant afford it, or just go do MQSC as Beach Tank youll get plenty from that 
This is a bit like asking for the number of Ectos/Shards to be reduced (cause its soooo expensive) sorry as in real life if you cant afford to have something maybe you should just not have that item
This is a bit like asking for the number of Ectos/Shards to be reduced (cause its soooo expensive) sorry as in real life if you cant afford to have something maybe you should just not have that item
Show Some Skin
i think take ectos/obby shards off of Obsidian Armor because i cant afford it atm as well
oh wait...i can farm huh /not signed
oh wait...i can farm huh /not signed
Nerel
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i think take ectos/obby shards off of Obsidian Armor because i cant afford it atm as well
oh wait...i can farm huh /not signed |
One of the principles of Guild Wars is that it is EASY to get maxed gear and be competitive, maxed non-prestige armor is no exception. But, as others have stated, you can choose other armors...
Yes i agree that the 7 claw/7 fang/7 eye necro armor and the 32 claw rit armor is overpriced for non prestige gear, but with plenty of armor choices available, not worth changing it now.
upier
Given the number of options available (and the fact that we are dealing with a vanity issue) - I don't have problems with certain sets costing a bit more.
WhiteAsIce
/notsigned because of other 1k armors that require rare materials. I was gonna buy armor for my Monk, but then realized that it required 175 parchments, and at the time, parchment prices were over 1k each. Thanks to Nick, I couldn't do much with my Monk for a week.
ajc2123
/signed if you replace the monstrous items with rubies and saphires.
Oh wait.....
Yeah there's plenty of choices, and in a way those ritualist / canthan armors are exotic and deserve their price for their look imo.
Oh wait.....
Yeah there's plenty of choices, and in a way those ritualist / canthan armors are exotic and deserve their price for their look imo.
Arduin
/notsigned
Ritualist Shing Jea armor, Ritualist Seitung armor and Necromancer Shing Jea armor are all 1k armor available in Kaineng City, without the need of very expensive Rare Crafting material.
Got one of those if you think the other armors are to expensive for you.
Ritualist Shing Jea armor, Ritualist Seitung armor and Necromancer Shing Jea armor are all 1k armor available in Kaineng City, without the need of very expensive Rare Crafting material.
Got one of those if you think the other armors are to expensive for you.
Elephantaliste
You have the choice of many armor sets.
Just take crafting materials cost into consideration for your choice, not aesthetics only.
Good thing it creates dilemna, it is part of game
Just take crafting materials cost into consideration for your choice, not aesthetics only.
Good thing it creates dilemna, it is part of game
shinslw
/not signed
Just because you cannot afford it or some others can't, doesn't means that anet will scrape something small off the board. It's crazy and its not feasible.
Get other armour types if one is not suitable for you. You don't have to be a farmer to have $. Earn it.
Just because you cannot afford it or some others can't, doesn't means that anet will scrape something small off the board. It's crazy and its not feasible.
Get other armour types if one is not suitable for you. You don't have to be a farmer to have $. Earn it.
Hollygen
I like that there's a range of armors of varying prices. At least with insignia we no longer have to get a particular armor set for a particular buff, so armor choice comes down to cost and astheics, rather than functionality. If you don't think it's worth forking out 40k for, then get something else. It's still cheaper than any of the 'elite' sets
So some armors cost more than others. So what. Similar arguments go round about Vabbian with its 150k price tag, or FoW with its 1000k price.
Sure you have the power traders and the farmers with their stacks of ecto for which these prices are pocket change, but they're not so expensive that they're out of reach of the casual player who sets their mind to it.
So some armors cost more than others. So what. Similar arguments go round about Vabbian with its 150k price tag, or FoW with its 1000k price.
Sure you have the power traders and the farmers with their stacks of ecto for which these prices are pocket change, but they're not so expensive that they're out of reach of the casual player who sets their mind to it.
talon994
/signed- Non- Elite armor is for the sometimes casual player and as mentioned by Hollygen Vabbian and Obby are pocket change for people like that with stacks upon stacks. Well even for the casual player elite armor is feasible....but the main point being non-elite should not require rare materials that go OVER the price of 250g each at the trader.
Apok Omen
So, I guess we should also remove Rolls of Parchment, Steel Ignots, and Bolts of Linen? Just because you can't farm for 30 mins to get the materials, right?
pumpkin pie
don't buy those with fangs and claws? problem solve.
/not signed (armours gonna fall off :P)
/not signed (armours gonna fall off :P)
Puebert
There are two non-prestige armors that require monstrous claws.
Ritualist Seitung armor and Necromancer Canthan armor.
The ritualist requires a total of 32 claws, while the necromancer requires 7 claws, 7 fangs, 7 eyes, 5 rolls of parchment, and 4 vials of ink.
Claws are currently at 1K, eyes at 200g, fangs at 1.1K, rolls at 150g, and ink at 400g.
So, on rare mats alone, it would cost the ritualist 32K for an entire set. It costs the necromancer 18.45K. [7(1000)+7(1100)+7(200)+5(150)+4(400)=18450]
Based on this, I would say reduce the requirement to 20 or so claws for the ritualist seitung armor, so that it comes out to ~20K.
Ritualist Seitung armor and Necromancer Canthan armor.
The ritualist requires a total of 32 claws, while the necromancer requires 7 claws, 7 fangs, 7 eyes, 5 rolls of parchment, and 4 vials of ink.
Claws are currently at 1K, eyes at 200g, fangs at 1.1K, rolls at 150g, and ink at 400g.
So, on rare mats alone, it would cost the ritualist 32K for an entire set. It costs the necromancer 18.45K. [7(1000)+7(1100)+7(200)+5(150)+4(400)=18450]
Based on this, I would say reduce the requirement to 20 or so claws for the ritualist seitung armor, so that it comes out to ~20K.
Verene
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So, I guess we should also remove Rolls of Parchment, Steel Ignots, and Bolts of Linen? Just because you can't farm for 30 mins to get the materials, right?
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There's a big difference between those three materials and rarer ones like fangs and claws. Parchment, Linen, and Steel are all 1) Cheap, 2) Easy to get, and 3) Craftable. Steel is actually so cheap that it's more expensive to craft it.
Fangs and claws on the other hand are rare drops, can't be salvaged from things (I don't think), and cannot be crafted, hence the expensive price of them. Now, I haven't got a problem with 'stepping-stone' armor - lord knows I went broke enough buying Vabbian - but in a game so strictly linear as Factions, it makes more sense to me to have the first max armor sets you come across a bit cheaper than the ones you come across later, before you have access to elite armors.
Also, not everyone farms, just so you know
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There are two non-prestige armors that require monstrous claws.
Ritualist Seitung armor and Necromancer Canthan armor. |
Puebert
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There's also Necromancer Luxon armor, which uses monstrous fangs. It's non-elite and requires 5 parchment, 4 ink, 175 scales, 28 claws, and 24 jade. Which is a grand total of 54,625 gold, including the 5k to craft.
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My bad, I just searched for armor using fangs. :/
I didn't include the common crafting materials or initial 5K to craft it in my total amounts. However, Luxon and Kurzick armor are not prestige like you said, but I see them as a midpoint between 5K and 15K armor because you actually have to get to Cavalon/HzH to be able to craft them, so it does make sense that they cost more.
Verene
Oh yeah, I agree, Kurzick/Luxon armors are definitely 'stepping-stone' armors like I mentioned in my post, midway between regular 1k armor and elite, just as Vabbian is seen as an in-between for regular elite and Obsidian. And as such, it does make sense for it to be more expensive (I know my money's a bit low at the moment from buying my Ritualist Luxon armor...didn't help that I didn't think to craft the ink, duh). I do think that the prices for Rit Seitung and Necro Canthan are a bit out of whack in comparison to the other armors available at that point, though.
Shadowhaze
/signed
Agree that first max armor you come across shouldn't be using rare materials so much perhaps.
Agree that first max armor you come across shouldn't be using rare materials so much perhaps.
headlesshobbs
/signed
I have to agree that this was a leftover from when the armor value dropped awhile back and the price of materials hasn't been matched to even things up.
I have to agree that this was a leftover from when the armor value dropped awhile back and the price of materials hasn't been matched to even things up.
king_trouble
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/signed- Non- Elite armor is for the sometimes casual player and as mentioned by Hollygen Vabbian and Obby are pocket change for people like that with stacks upon stacks. Well even for the casual player elite armor is feasible....but the main point being non-elite should not require rare materials that go OVER the price of 250g each at the trader.
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MithranArkanere
That is pointless, they should just increase the drop rate of claws, fangs and eyes.
king_trouble
Monstrous clas and fangs are dropped in a variety of places, if you want em go farm some afflicted, all afflicted creatures drop it (if I recall correctly) along with a decent amount of other creatures.
Shasgaliel
/signed
I think the non-elite armours should not be similary expensive to the cheapest elite ones. However the materials you mentioned can be farmed. Just do vizunah square. I get at least 2 monstrous stuff per one try on the mission
I think the non-elite armours should not be similary expensive to the cheapest elite ones. However the materials you mentioned can be farmed. Just do vizunah square. I get at least 2 monstrous stuff per one try on the mission
Marty Silverblade
Since it's not supposed to cost anywhere near what a prestige set does, it should be reduced. Really, people at that stage don't have that money to spend. I'd rather the amount of claws/fangs were reduced rather than cut out altogether though.
AngeliqueSynner
I'll agree to this.
/signed.
I had to haul my roomate's rit, with an armor rating of 25, through EotN to get his elite armor, as the max he'd chosen was more expensive than his elite would have been. :/
3 bars running Prot. Spirit for him, it was amusing, but I'll never do it again.
/signed.
I had to haul my roomate's rit, with an armor rating of 25, through EotN to get his elite armor, as the max he'd chosen was more expensive than his elite would have been. :/
3 bars running Prot. Spirit for him, it was amusing, but I'll never do it again.
Chocobo1
/Signed just because now that I see that the Rit armor needs 32 claws makes it quite ridiculous.
Yeah, I can make gold now, but all the newer players just starting out would see this armor and freak out.
Yeah, I can make gold now, but all the newer players just starting out would see this armor and freak out.
JASON626
/signed
I remember back in the day i bought the rit armor and was thinking same thing.
but I guess technically your not supposed to reach Kaineng Center until the end of the game after unwaiking waters. But everyone in factions runs there after Zen Daijun.
I remember back in the day i bought the rit armor and was thinking same thing.
but I guess technically your not supposed to reach Kaineng Center until the end of the game after unwaiking waters. But everyone in factions runs there after Zen Daijun.
glacialphoenix
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I remember back in the day i bought the rit armor and was thinking same thing. but I guess technically your not supposed to reach Kaineng Center until the end of the game after unwaiking waters. But everyone in factions runs there after Zen Daijun. |
Prophecies characters could get to Kaineng for max armour long before Proph would allow them to - Kaineng is significantly easier to get to than Droks if you just want max armour fast. It's the first place you can get max armour from in Factions.
And yet they never tell the Factions characters to go there.
That being said: it's true you don't need to get Seitung armour, and you shouldn't be buying the monstrous claws if money is your first concern, but drat are those things expensive. Frankly, I don't see them drop very often - eyes yes, but not claws or fangs: maybe the drops just hate me.
I still don't think that you should remove them from non-elite armours, especially not when they feature prominently in the design. Someone earlier mentioned that Luxon 1k shouldn't count, because it's effectively a 'stepping-stone' armourset, and I agree with this.
I think Rit Seitung is the only major offender here, really - 32 (increasingly expensive) claws for a full 1k set? Ouch. That one needs to be toned down. The others I can think of, not really.
So, after reading through this thread again:
notsigned for removing monstrous claws/fangs from all non-elite armours, but /signed to maybe toning down the number you need to make Rit Seitung. That's the only set that seems to need any tweaking.
However, I don't see this happening any time soon, so in the meantime, if you want it and can't outright buy it, you'll just have to farm it.