So I killed a fair few griffons with Cyclone Axe and Vigorous Spirit, and the heal used to trigger on each hit. Whirlwind Attack is basically the same skill as Cyclone Axe, but for any melee weapon. Cyclone Axe, Crude Swing, and Whirlwind Attack currently only trigger Vigorous Spirit once, no matter how many foes you hit. I understand that some of these skills function as a single attack that hits multiple foes, and I also understand that Vigorous Spirit is only supposed to trigger on attack, not hit, according to its description.
I am curious when Vigorous Spirit was changed, if someone could please point me to the relevant update.
I'll just list the skills I have tested for multiple triggers of VS:
Triple Chop: yes
Cyclone Axe: no
Crude Swing: no
Whirlwind Attack: no
Barrage: yes
Volley: yes
Incendiary Arrows: yes
Dual Shot: no
Triple Shot: no
There's not really any indication in the skills listed above why they would not trigger on attack effects.
If this thread is in the wrong spot, please move it.
Multiple hit attack skills and Vigorous Spirit
MisterB
IronSheik
Mm, I always remembered them triggering on hit...weird barrage works and Cyclone/whirl don't anymore. I'm almost positive I farmed trolls ages ago like that.
Icy The Mage
What about Live Vicariously, was that changed as well or have you not tested it as well? Cause I know for a fact that worked on multiple targets hit when cyclone axe was used...
Bob Slydell
Looks like anet finally destroyed my favorite secret farming build. Was only a matter of time.
Dawn Angelheart
Easy. why = Vigourous spirit "Each time you attack"
Live Vicariously "Whenever target ally hits a foe"
using an attack skill, is still only attacking once, but hits multiple foes.
whenver you hit.. .ie cyclone hits 10 foes.. 10 heals..
Live Vicariously "Whenever target ally hits a foe"
using an attack skill, is still only attacking once, but hits multiple foes.
whenver you hit.. .ie cyclone hits 10 foes.. 10 heals..
Bob Slydell
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Originally Posted by Dawn Angelheart
Easy. why = Vigourous spirit "Each time you attack"
Live Vicariously "Whenever target ally hits a foe"
using an attack skill, is still only attacking once, but hits multiple foes.
whenver you hit.. .ie cyclone hits 10 foes.. 10 heals.. True, but it used to work.
Live Vicariously "Whenever target ally hits a foe"
using an attack skill, is still only attacking once, but hits multiple foes.
whenver you hit.. .ie cyclone hits 10 foes.. 10 heals.. True, but it used to work.
miskav
Used to be different *Remembers griffon farming in '05*
I Jonas I
They changed Vigorous spirit a while back from "gain health when target ally hits with an attack" to "gain health whenever they cast a spell or when they attack." This made it worthwhile to cast on everyone, as now spellcasters can benefit from the skill, but apparently it also made it not work for these farming builds
duckboy
aaah the old skill buff with hidden nerf switcharoo trick....nice 1 
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Jonas The Keen
They changed Vigorous spirit a while back from "gain health when target ally hits with an attack" to "gain health whenever they cast a spell or when they attack." This made it worthwhile to cast on everyone, as now spellcasters can benefit from the skill, but apparently it also made it not work for these farming builds
No. Vigorous Spirit has always triggered "each time target ally attacks or casts a spell." Only the amount healed and cast time has changed significantly. At least it hasn't changed since I started playing in May '05.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/index.php...v&oldid=19 46
But until recently, skills which attack or hit multiple targets would still trigger the effects. I think the last time I used it was in June, to test out this, so I could contribute to the extermination of Balthazar's pesky Cave Spider infestation.
It appears that there was an undocumented update to Vigorous Spirit's functionality, or I've just missed it. Regardless, the attack skills could use some clarification if they are not supposed to trigger on multiple attacks, because none of them make that clear. They even imply multiple attacks in their description in some cases, not multiple hits, which seems to be what they actually do. Skills like Empathy and Spiteful Spirit, which also trigger on attacks, also only trigger once on some of these skills.
I'm really not bothered about the use of this skill in farming; I can do with or without it.
http://guildwars.wikia.com/index.php...v&oldid=19 46
But until recently, skills which attack or hit multiple targets would still trigger the effects. I think the last time I used it was in June, to test out this, so I could contribute to the extermination of Balthazar's pesky Cave Spider infestation.
It appears that there was an undocumented update to Vigorous Spirit's functionality, or I've just missed it. Regardless, the attack skills could use some clarification if they are not supposed to trigger on multiple attacks, because none of them make that clear. They even imply multiple attacks in their description in some cases, not multiple hits, which seems to be what they actually do. Skills like Empathy and Spiteful Spirit, which also trigger on attacks, also only trigger once on some of these skills.
I'm really not bothered about the use of this skill in farming; I can do with or without it.
MisterB
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Originally Posted by Dawn Angelheart
using an attack skill, is still only attacking once, but hits multiple foes.
Look at the skill descriptions.-snip-
I other words, one attack per foe. So it triggers once per foe.
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Shooting arrow = attack. So one attack per foe, one trigger per foe.
Please read the description for Dual Shot and Triple Shot.
Only one attack (that hits everything around you), so only one trigger in total.
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Note, only the full descriptions mention this. The concise ones doesn't.
I don't even want to start commenting on concise descriptions. Just look at Barrage, for example. In concise, it only mentions damage, and multiple hits, not multiple attacks, which makes trying to understand skill interactions worse. I'm puzzled why you two are telling me to read and offering explanations unless you did not actually read all of the first post. I presume you replied only to the list. I'll just quote myself from the first post:
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I understand that some of these skills function as a single attack that hits multiple foes, and I also understand that Vigorous Spirit is only supposed to trigger on attack, not hit, according to its description.
My point is that Vigorous Spirit has triggered on many of the skills I listed for up to four years, but now it does not. I saw no update notes reflecting this, so for now, I'm considering this an undocumented change.
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