The Rightful King of Ascalon

Hey well i was thinking about Ascalon in Guild Wars 2 and wondering about who will return the two swords to Ascalon city. Here are some Quotes from Guild Wars Wiki & Guild Wars Wiki2
Gw2w Movement of the world
Gw2w Magdaer ( Adelberns Sword)
Gw2w Sohothin (Ruriks Sword)
Gw2w Ascalon City
Ok so these Quotes Gave me two possibility's to how the swords will Return to Ascalon.
Firstly Rurik had a child with Althea somehow secretly , or King Adelbern had another child who will come back and claim the throne.
Or
You just need the swords of The Prince And king to Put to Rest the Ghost army in Ascalon city .
So the reason i posted this thread is Propel Can Add in any knowledge they have if there is any on this topic. So we can elaborate and come up with some theories.

I dont think it means a king who is distantly related to Adelburn or Rurik. I think the line is actually saying the one who will reunite the sword with Ascalon would be considered the rightful king for just doing that task. There is never any mention of a second son of Adelburn and its doubtful that Rurik and Athela had a child considering their fates.

As to how the swords will return, well i'm guessing thats left to the heroes of GW2s era. The last known whereabouts of both swords are the Ring of Fire Island Chain and Ascalon itself.

Along with what Free Runner said, I'd like to comment on individual things:
They didn't really have time, I think, as the relationship was still at a boyfriend/girlfriend stage in Pre-searing (or so it seems) and Althea was (seemingly) kidnapped shortly after the Searing (along the same time as Gwen?)

I would like to point out something from the Prophecies Manuscripts:
Rurik is the eldest son, not the only son. It is possible there were other princes somewhere who might have escaped and who's descendants act as leader to the Ascalonians in Kryta (or even run around in Ebonhawke).

Another thing to mention is that Adelbern is not the true rightful heir to the throne, but became king for his heroics during the latest Guild Wars. The "true" heir to the throne is Duke Barradin. So just as it is possible Adelbern had more sons, it could be that the passage refers to Barradin's descendants. Though his only known child was Althea - which puts a damper in that thought.

It would be rather interesting if there was a second son of Adeldern running around while the heroes fought. Though you would have to wonder if there was one, why he never showed himself and why he was never mentioned. Hey maybe we've found an origin for Vael

thats what i thought that he is not the true heir but then i read this on the guild wars wiki
but then it says
maybe you are right in saying that people earn the title of king

Adelbern was both a descendant of King Doric and also not the "rightful heir" - but that doesn't mean he wasn't a possible heir to the crown. He just got a little bump up the list of who would be the rightful heir.

Either way, I doubt our character would become a "rightful king of Ascalon" in GW2 - we will more than likely just help a NPC become that. Unless, of course, the next option opens up: That line is just a belief and rumor, nothing more, not fact, thus no "king" will arise.

In other words, that is just a mere whisper of hope that Ascalon would be retaken and ruled by human hands once more.

wrong Rurik was the only son

"The Movement of The World" says "The royal line of Adelbern ended with the death of Prince Rurik."

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_...t_of_the_World

...which seems highly unlikely while the Charr are a PC race, since there are strong suggestions that the Iron Citadel - practically next-door - is the Charr starting location. Possibly if the events of GW2 lead to some sort of accommodation between Charr and humanity... but either way, I wouldn't expect to see Ascalon repopulated by free humans before GW2 gives way to GW3. I just don't see them being able to pull off a resettlement in-game without having significant ramifications on the Charr side of the game.

As for the line of kingship - it'll fall to whoever the closest relative who's still alive is, however distant that might be.

Idly, gotta love all the potent artifacts our characters were evidently silly enough to leave behind. Not just the Sceptre of Orr (arguably because the PCs know how dangerous it is), but Rurik's sword? We take everything ELSE nailed down, why wouldn't someone think to grab one of the royal swords of Ascalon on the way?

(Maybe they should make it a green drop that can be put in the Hall of Monuments...)

hmm, true. I forgot about that line. Maybe Rurik was the eldest son, but his younger brothers died/were also disowned like Rurik was? I wouldn't be surprised...

wouldnt you think adelberns sword would already be with inside Ascalon city.
look at what i just found from the gw2w drascir page.
lol is it me or is anet contradicting it self.

Wasn't duke barradin the rightfull heir to the throne?

Barradin was the brother to the previous king. The king before Adelbern gave too much influence to the guilds with the most money and nearly brought Ascalon down. I'm guessing Adelbern was chosen over Barradin, to stop the same mistake being repeated. But yeah the Duke was indeed the next in line to be king before it was decided on Adelbern (and the Duke himself supported Adelbern being king, having already appointed him commander of the Ascalon army).

So maybe it is talking about a decendant of Barradin.

Whoever said it wasn't? The main point of the Movement of the World is this (in relation to the general gist and Ascalon section, mind you):

Hero, Wanderer, Adventurer, and/or Traveler, thank you for reading up unto this point briefing you on the current status of the world. Now, we will be covering the status of Ascalon, one of the possible birthplaces of your ancient ancestor who may or may not have saved Tyria from the Lich, saved Cantha from Shiro Tagachi, or saved Elona from Abaddon, but whatever the case, we know for certain that he or she defeated the Great Destroyer while completely ignoring Primordus! You got it! Your ancestor completely ignored Primordus after the Asura, beings far more intelligent than humans even then, told them that it was a statue practically bleeding magic! I know, right? I can't believe it either! Moving along then, Ascalon was conquered by the mighty Charr legions after the fall of the Shaman Caste, further proving they needn't any Gods to assist them in their might. However, our old and friendly stubborn King Adelbern himself pulled another trick from up his sleeve, pressing the self-destruct-resurrect button on his unbeknownst to our ancestor as usual, ancient sword Magdaer, transforming the occupying forces of Ascalon City into a ghastly force of ghosts, preventing a complete Charr occupation of the City. Now, rumors are sprouting that the also unbeknownst to our ancestor, ancient sword held by the King's son Prince Rurik, Sohothin, when brought back to the City by the rightful king of Ascalon will put the spirits to rest. However, the rumors also suggest that should the rightful king of Ascalon somehow get his hands on the sword Magdaer, which is implied by all our sources to remain in Ascalon City, the spirits will also be put to rest.

So! Brave Hero, Wanderer, Adventurer, and/or Traveler, do you wish to test your mettle? Then, leave Divinity Reach, go to Ebonhawke, and/or Lion's Arch, and make your way to Ascalon City and/or the Ring of Fire Islands Chain, and battle your way through the fierce heat of magma and ferocious Hydras and/or Charr Legions and the corrupted spawn of an Ancient Dragon to the heart of Ascalon City and/or the switchback route that runs along the ridge of Abaddon's Mouth to lay claim to one of these two rare, one of a kind, ancient swords, then, in the case of the Hero, Wanderer, Adventurer, and/or Traveler that chose the Ring of Fire Islands Chain route, return to Ascalon City, and become known as the Rightful King of Ascalon!

And that's that, which, despite being a parody on bits and pieces of the the GW2 information, is fairly accurate, especially in relation to the two paths I laid out, which is supported by this paragraph from the Movement:

It never states they need be reunited mind you, providing two alternative methods of proving your "rightful king of Ascalon" status. I suspect this might be a method of avoiding revisiting the Ring of Fire Islands Chain, or for an epic battle with the spirits of Ascalon City to the top of the tower in which King Adelbern died to help a NPC or possibly yourself, lay claim to Magdaer. If GW2 decides to be really intuitive, it would give the player the option of being a complete and utter jerk and traitor to his or her ancestor's kingdom or just a curious Asura, naive Sylvari, disrespectful Charr, or trophy-hunting Norn, and allow the player to keep Magdaer.

To play Devil's Advocate, the Asura hadn't realised that the "statue" was anything more than a source of magic either. It's possible that it was investigated, but for whatever reason, it wasn't identified until events in other parts of the world caught up and everyone lost interest.

Or maybe it was under investigation when Primordius woke up, and the investigators were the ancient dragon's first victims...

What if adelbern's other sons died before rurik did...

that is a possibility it could of happended in the searing .
remember we and prince rurik where out killing char in a cave and we where protected from the blast

Yeah but you see, even if their were others who died before/during the Searing it still means there are no living heirs.

Might be that they did not die but were thought to have died (kidnapped and held hostage by charr, escaped North etc).
There is also possibility that only male descendants could be the heirs so all the possible sisters of Rurik were just not taken into consideration but they could still live somewhere...

i reckon this oculd be a possibility, observe.

Vael's model is not a unique one - there are at least two others who share the model.

Also, the two were brothers, and Vael lives after Rurik, wouldn't that mean Vael is the last heir of Adelbern, not Rurik?

If Rurik had brothers, they had to have died prior to Rurik - only chance Vael has of bring Rurik's younger bother is if Vael faked his death or was disowned before Rurik. But if either was the case - why would Vael report to his father of Rurik's death - if Vael faked his death, the faking would be most likely exposed, and if he was disowned, he wouldn't be welcomed back, I would think.

Remember, though, that Vael is a master of disguise that never uses his real name. If he was a(nother) exiled son of Adelburn, he may have reported to Adelburn in disguise without anyone being the wiser.

It's probably more likely, though, that Vael is some forgotten scion from further up in the tree... or that his employer is... and Vael may not even know.

Even more likely, however, is that the appearance similarity simply means that Vael's current disguise happens to look a little like Rurik.

The Vael thing was actually a joke. While he is one of the most mysterious characters around i doubt he was Adelberns son. If he was, he would have to have faked his death or been disowned years earlier as Vael has travelled the world to the point of being in the Tengu Wars while he was young (behind enemy lines that is).

"I was one of the soldiers with Rurik when he was slain by the Stone Summit. In fact, I was the one to break the sad news to the king."

Would Rurik treat his brother as a simple solgier? If Vael brought the news to Adelbern personally then the king would have recognized him and it would not be said that the line is broken.

I think the only possibility of Vael being Adelberns son is if Adelbern did not know that Vael was is son...

I think Anton would be more probable than Vael since Anton was awaiting execution and he could be believed to have died/been executed. Since he was from small village that makes him also an unprobable heir to the throne...

Antons story is explained while Vael remains a mystery. Anton was a man who made a deal with the Charr to provide information in exchange for his family and friends safety. He was found out and imprisoned, escaped when Surmia fell and found that the deal had not been kept and his village had been killed. Thats when he sunk into revenge, holding three blades that represent the things he lost. So i very much doubt Anton is a candidate.

Without actually considering the theory to be more than, at best, a possibility, I repeat: