wat up with pvp and spears?

Viet Azn Dragon

Frost Gate Guardian

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The Black Legion of Mercenaries

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like almost close to every game, i see a person using spears but not even a paragon as primary or secondary? is there a reason why its so popular in pvp without being a paragon?

Shayne Hawke

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Clan Dethryche [dth]

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Build adrenaline.
Interrupt trappers.
Martial weapon mods (Enchanting, +Energy...).
Goes well with a shield?

wire dawg

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Join Date: Oct 2008

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as the last guy said wars use spears from a distant to build up adrenaline..a lot of casters use spears on their shield set so they are not up in the front line and a lot of eles also use the spears specially if their sec is paragon for song of concentration in the matches

HawkofStorms

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Spears often have more useful mods then wands. Most notable, they can have +5 energy all the time (when wands only give +5 eneryg over 50% health, or while enchanted, etc) and can also have +30 health (very important to have a lot of health in PvP to avoid spike damage deaths). They can also have +20% encahanting instead.
Pretty much all (good) casters use spears (or swords or axes which can have the same stats) with those stats in PvP. A lot of people use spears instead of swords or axes because then if you accidentally hit spacebar, you don't run up towards your opponent by accident.

majikmajikmajik

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spears can also fuel Barbs. I just wanted to share.

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Longer enchantments cast, longer crippled duration when using return.

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

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spears really shouldn't be used for longer enchant casts since you should have a staff set for that. Mainly they are used for health or armor bonus. Whatever your preference. Serious people run one of each.

Basically you need a shield set, and the spear is the best choice of weapon when you need to be in the shield set. Although swords are usually manlier on casters.

gigahertz205

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Most notable, they can have +5 energy all the time (when wands only give +5 eneryg over 50% health, or while enchanted, etc) and can also have +30 health (very important to have a lot of health in PvP to avoid spike damage deaths).
I doubt a good pvper would use hale and hearty inscription. Wands are always used with an offhand as a 40/40 set.

xanarot

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gigahertz205 View Post
I doubt a good pvper would use hale and hearty inscription. Wands are always used with an offhand as a 40/40 set.
Which is exactly what he was saying, that +5 energy > +5^50


But in all, some reasons for spears are

- Martial weapon: Allows +30hp or +5 armor or +20% enchantment mods along with +5 energy.
-Ranged weapon: when accidentally attacking something when targetting it as a caster you dont end up next to the target and out of range of your monks. Also, when its not accidental (f.ex. helping in barbs damage) it still has that benefit of keeping you at a save distance. In case of warriors it can help building up adrenaline without the need to rush into the enemy lines.
-Single handed weapon : allows usage of a shield for +8-16 AL along with +30hp and condition reduction bonus or +AL against a damage type. Another reason is using an icon offhand. Martial weapon + icon offhand nets the same health as a +60hp/+5^50 staff with the added benefit of not having the ^50 requirement as well as netting 2 energy more (icon 12+martial 5 = 17, staff 10 + 5^50 = 15).

Mikkelet

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I use it because of my habit. I tend to tab-space the opponent to atk, and if I was wearing a martial melee weapon, I would go straight into the heat of battle, which is stupid. and shield is for armor.

paddymew

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2008

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Fastest one-handed ranged weapon. Works well on casters that use defensive warrior stances.

Brummie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

If you wanted a weapon that you could attack fast with from a far distance, be one handed so you can have a sheild and have caster mods so you can still cast with it the answer is a spear so that's why people use it in PvP.

People sometimes use Axes and Swords since they're one handed, can have caster mods and also have good skins but have a downfall which is you can't attack from a distance.

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Pugs Not Drugs

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Quote:
Originally Posted by paddymew View Post
Fastest one-handed ranged weapon. Works well on casters that use defensive warrior stances.
Only one hand ranged weapon. (Wands don't count cuz they are not brave)

TheodenKing

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Join Date: Jun 2008

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Dark Order of Retarded Knights (doRk)

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Well they covered everything about except...

Voltaic Spears are all shiny and Epeni

Yichi

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Originally Posted by Still Number One View Post
spears really shouldn't be used for longer enchant casts since you should have a staff set for that. Mainly they are used for health or armor bonus.
This really needs to be emphasized. So many players (I would even go as far as to say bad players) use their spear/sword/axe wrong when using a 20% enchant mod on a martial weapon. The only reason for using one would be a 55 build. Otherwise, you just wasted your time.

Ariena Najea

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

Join Date: Jul 2006

Buffalo NY

New Horizon [NH]

Something that hasn't been mentioned yet are the R/P Pack Hunters.

Bows are pretty pitiful in PvP outside of disruption (and spreading poison, but spears can as well), and these builds use Spears for a little more pressure than a bow can provide. Works well with their pets!

Still Number One

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

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Off-topic but kind of the same: Also if you are a warrior you can use wands to help build adren as well. They have a longer range than a spear does and you can still hold a shield. I really only do it when playing hammer warrior and being stuck in flail and need to build adren on something out of spear range though.

Not to mention if you run shock axe you should carry a focus in your inventory for some bonus energy if you ever have to spam shock to slow a flagger to secure a boost.

Just little tidbits about using weapons that don't really go with the class you chose.

moriz

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wands are not favourable because they have a slower attack cycle (1.75s), compared to spears' 1.50s.

also, wands and spears have the same range. wands do have a higher arc though.

Still Number One

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Quote:
Originally Posted by moriz View Post
wands are not favourable because they have a slower attack cycle (1.75s), compared to spears' 1.50s.

also, wands and spears have the same range. wands do have a higher arc though.
you can attack with a wand from the edge of the aggro bubble. The spear has to move in a few steps. That probably has something to do with the arc. It can be useful for pulling a knight or the rare situation I described where you are stuck in flail and you need some adren and the guy is just those few steps out of spear range. All in all it doesn't make a big difference and 98% of the time you should be using a spear because of the furious mod. but yea, carrying a wand for those rare situations never killed anyone.

Darth The Xx

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Voltaic Spears look cool. Also it lets me as a monk or other caster to drain mana from distortion eles or trigger more barbs inbetween casts.

HawkofStorms

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Unfortunately, Volaic Spears are the ONLY ones that look good. Paragons got hosed on good weapon designs.

Darth The Xx

Wilds Pathfinder

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Unfortunately, Volaic Spears are the ONLY ones that look good. Paragons got hosed on good weapon designs.
I disagree, IMO the Charr, Serrated, Ornate, Tengu and even Draconic spears all look pretty cool. the non-BMP ones are a pain to find though because nobody holds onto them to sell.

S_Serpent

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Join Date: Feb 2006

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Unfortunately, Volaic Spears are the ONLY ones that look good. Paragons got hosed on good weapon designs.
Personally I found the spiraling, crenelated and tengu spear skin very good looking.

And on another thing, lookwise I find undyed voltaics better then black ones, imo black ones look so shitty. But yeah many people want it black because of its so called better leetness. Gladly I will never join those masses and stand out as a nub too them with my gear.

Yichi

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Unfortunately, Volaic Spears are the ONLY ones that look good. Paragons got hosed on good weapon designs.
actually, these look the worst imo.

refer

refer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
Unfortunately, Volaic Spears are the ONLY ones that look good. Paragons got hosed on good weapon designs.
you are too picky. even the default pvp one is fine (the default daggers are another story though - can you say scissors?)

HawkofStorms

HawkofStorms

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Well, the real problem is that all the spears are very small. You can't see any detail in them really. Some of them look fine (the default one is nice), but most of them are... sticks.

talon994

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The Voltaic spear for me stand's out. After i dyed it black(band wagoner!) I actually liked the blue electricity pulsing over the spear because i could actually see something.

Non-Animated weps ftl

Zera Fang

Zera Fang

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Join Date: Jan 2006

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Although, I have a V.Spear now, I very much enjoyed my Lesser Guardian spear. It has enough definition to look more than just a rod and dyes almost completely black. It's a nice alternative if you can find one, I've yet to see someone with one besides myself... And maybe a Paragon once.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/File...comparison.jpg

Nerel

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How much damage does a spear do in the hands of a caster with 0 in spear mastery, assuming no damage buffs are in effect... how much does an appropriate wand do in the hands of the same caster vs armor 60?

refer

refer

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerel View Post
How much damage does a spear do in the hands of a caster with 0 in spear mastery, assuming no damage buffs are in effect... how much does an appropriate wand do in the hands of the same caster vs armor 60?
pretty puny damage since you don't meet the requirement. I think I do 3 damage.

subarucar

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New Zealand

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerel View Post
How much damage does a spear do in the hands of a caster with 0 in spear mastery, assuming no damage buffs are in effect... how much does an appropriate wand do in the hands of the same caster vs armor 60?
Why not go to Isle Of The Nameless and test this yourself?

Nerel

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Originally Posted by subarucar View Post
Why not go to Isle Of The Nameless and test this yourself?
Because I already know the answer... that wasn't the point of the question.

Brummie

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Jun 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nerel View Post
How much damage does a spear do in the hands of a caster with 0 in spear mastery, assuming no damage buffs are in effect... how much does an appropriate wand do in the hands of the same caster vs armor 60?
You usually only do 3 damage, well most of the time...

Avarre

Avarre

Bubblegum Patrol

Join Date: Dec 2005

Singapore Armed Forces

Spears are the only one-handed ranged weapon with +30hp.

Being able to do tiny bits of damage puts them ahead of swords/axes.

Lykan

Lykan

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Join Date: May 2005

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Because I spent 100+60e on a voltaic and I want everyone to see it where ever I go.

HawkofStorms

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Originally Posted by Nerel View Post
Because I already know the answer... that wasn't the point of the question.
If you are a caster, you shouldn't be spending too much time "wand spiking" anyways. If you have to stop and auto attack for a long period of time, you are doing something wrong.