The Second Tengu War.

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A while ago a made a thread about cantha and elona in gw2 and a part of it was an idea of mine about the tengu waging another war against the canthans.

I had this idea that when the new emperor of cantha in gw2; emperor thingy, defeats the luxons and kurzicks and either kills off or pushes out of cantha the non-human races. In the other thread other species such as the dredge who occupy the echovald forest and the naga, we know to little about the dredge so forget them and the naga aren't that sentient.

The tengu have already fought a war against the humans before and even after the war people still want the tengu dead such as that warrior trainer on shing jea island, and their are more tengu who would rather cut you into tiny pieces and feast on your corpse than be friends with you.

I had an idea that the tengu would be pushed to the south and wage a war agains the humans.

My other thread i mentioned may not be here any more because it was closes,by a guy called Earth I think...

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Not bad but the humans no doubt would have Allys such as the norn or asuran Tengu would be defeated again

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true but cantha is blocked off, and i doubt anyone would want to screw up their lives even more by having MORE peopleto fight.

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I may be mistaken but I think DO is only for lore with some basis not for things you think will happen.

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Not bad but the humans no doubt would have Allys such as the norn or asuran Tengu would be defeated again
The Canthans wouldn't have any allies except perhaps the Zaishen, and even then, they would have only human allies. Remember, they're pushing all other races out except themselves, that is to say, humanity.

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we know to little about the dredge so forget them and the naga arent that sentient.
We know more about the Dredge than we do most other sentient races. And the Naga are sentient - technically everything that can think is, but I assume you mean cultured, which the Naga are. They have structures, a living order, leaders. Possibly a language *they at least use symbols*. Dredge are even more cultured than that.


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The tengu have already fought a war against the humans before and even after the war people still want the tengu dead such as that warrior trainer on shing jea island, and their are more tengu who would rather cut you into tiny peices and feast on your corpse than be friends with you.
Simple prejudices like those between Ascalonians and Krytans in Prophecies - most easily seen with Adelbern.

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I had an idea that the tengu would be pushed to the south and wage a war agains the humans.
Just because this is a hypothesis for lore you have - however little support there is - I will keep this here.

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Not bad but the humans no doubt would have Allys such as the norn or asuran Tengu would be defeated again
Those are in Tyria, not Cantha. This thread is about the Angchu and Sensali in Cantha.

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I may be mistaken but I think DO is only for lore with some basis not for things you think will happen.
There are worse supported hypotheses in this forum, and in the GWO lore forums. I'll keep it here for now.


Now, onto the actual topic. I disagree because the Tengu are situated in the northern portions of Cantha - being on Shing Jea and Kaineng City itself. They are practically smack-dab in the center. The only way they could survive is to hop on a boat and sail away. Only way they could reach southern Cantha is by traveling along the western coast, which I found unlikely due to it being just as full of humans and the Empire of the Dragon as the northern sections.

If any non-human races survive in Cantha and get pushed south, it would be the Naga and the Dredge (yes, the two races you disregard off the bat are the most likely to survive in Cantha as you believe a race will). Also, I believe it is said that Kryta becomes a location for Canthan refugee's - I would not be surprised if Angchu and Sensali Tengu are part of those refugee's (if the Sensali head to Tyria, more than likely, they'd join the Queztal or Caromi clans *Tarnished Coast(and area north of Kryta)/Krytan Tengu respectively*).

Just checked the Movement of the World, Canthan refugee's mentioned, but only mention human refugee's. Interestingly enough, even when it talks about Kryta being assaulted, it never mentions the Tengu (only White Mantle and Centaur). I wonder if Anet is going to do something to the Caromi Tengu (replace them with Queztal? Merge the two together? wipe out the Caromi? Push them out further so that they are closer to the Queztal? *shrugs*)

That said, the method of survival is possible for the Canthan Dredge and Jade Sea Naga, but not so much for the Canthan Tengu. The Tengu most likely escape Cantha before it goes isolationist (which means before the Orrian dragon rises).

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Interestingly enough, even when it talks about Kryta being assaulted, it never mentions the Tengu (only White Mantle and Centaur). I wonder if Anet is going to do something to the Caromi Tengu (replace them with Queztal? Merge the two together? wipe out the Caromi? Push them out further so that they are closer to the Queztal? *shrugs*)
Or perhaps come to a peace accord with the Caromi? After all, the Caromi, from what little we know, are just bandits, not full of hatred like the Sensali Tengu in Cantha.

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That too is possible. Though, by looking at the attitude of the other Tengu (Sensali and Angchu included) and by looking at the placement of where the Caromi are, I'd say the Krytans pushed the Caromi off their original lands and a most basic of treaties would be made only through giving the Caromi land - if not their original land, which I personally highly doubt will happen. Though the doubt is there because we don't know what their original land was.

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I think its rather clear that it is not the same Cantha it used to be, around the time of Usokus orders. I have no doubts that the Tengu would revolt upon hearing they are to be kicked out of their homeland. But i have doubts on them making it to the "war" stage - or at least to the same scale the Tengu Wars were.

Infact, with the Empire remembering the Tengu Wars, i think it would be likely that Usoku expected aggression from the Tengu, upon issuing said orders, and planned ahead for it.

This isnt the same Empire - they managed to take down the Luxons and Kurzicks and appear to be much more organised. They know what they are doing. So rather than a second Tengu War breaking out i think it would be more like small rebel groups of Tengu fighting against the Empire.

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That's true, all other attempts to kill the Kurzicks in Canthan history failed due to the Kurzicks knowing the Echovald Forest so well. So forces against the empire would have fewer chances than before.

Also, we forget about the Yeti race, they have some intelligence and would also be kicked out of Cantha or killed - making four non-human races that would be kicked out/genocide.

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That's true, all other attempts to kill the Kurzicks in Canthan history failed due to the Kurzicks knowing the Echovald Forest so well. So forces against the empire would have fewer chances than before.
You probably meant it, but I'd just like to point out that their goal wouldn't be to completely kill the Kurzicks or Luxons, just to bash them down a bit and absorb them into the Empire.

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We know more about the Dredge than we do most other sentient races. And the Naga are sentient - technically everything that can think is, but I assume you mean cultured, which the Naga are. They have structures, a living order, leaders. Possibly a language *they at least use symbols*. Dredge are even more cultured than that.
And from the Factions Manuscripts, I'd say the naga are at least capable of being even more cultured than that. They used to be a peaceful, highly cultured race, it's just that the survivors of the Jade Wind blamed humanity and turned hostile as a result (and probably also out of a simple desire for living space). With the Jade Sea turning back to water, it's possible that they may be able to avoid the purge by hiding underwater instead of fleeing the Jade Sea altogether.

Regarding the Tengu - I suspect whatever happens to the Tengu will turn out to be a significant plot point in GW2 somewhere, if not in the initial release (given Talon's vaguely foreshadowy mention of the prophecy in Far Shiverpeaks outposts). My suspicion is that they'll probably turn out to have survived in Cantha somewhere, and they'll become a playable race at around the same time that that continent opens up.

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You probably meant it, but I'd just like to point out that their goal wouldn't be to completely kill the Kurzicks or Luxons, just to bash them down a bit and absorb them into the Empire.
In all points, the Empire didn't intend to kill the Kurzicks. Usoku assimilated them into the Empire fully, the biggest (if not only) Empire vs Kurzicks war there was, was under the rule of the second emperor - Yian Zho - in which it was the Empire of the Dragon and the Luxons fighting together to assimilate (well, actually, then it might have been to kill, that is uknown) the Kurzicks. For Usoku, it's Empire vs Luxons vs Kurzicks - a three way war. And the Empire came out on top. Much different scenario than before.

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I suspect whatever happens to the Tengu will turn out to be a significant plot point in GW2 somewhere, if not in the initial release (given Talon's vaguely foreshadowy mention of the prophecy in Far Shiverpeaks outposts).
Forgot about that little prophecy. For those who don't know what Talon says:

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My people tell tales of the day when we will be free, when our lands will be revealed by a heavenly star and rise. When that day comes, human, only then will our races live in peace.
It could be possible the prophecy was Anet giving a little foreshadowing of what plans they have for the Tengu in GW2.

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you people write a lot, but konig, why did you say to forget about what talon says and then tell people what you think about it? I think its something big that we should think about(my threa my rules!!!loljoke), i think that it might be utopia...
Wah! i have to leave for school in a few mins oh well only today and tomorrow left!

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It's in the subtle vowels. He (? I just realised I'm not sure) said "forgot", not "forget".

Anyway, I'm picking that the Angchu will most likely realise they would be powerless to stop the Canthan empire this time and flee Cantha. Since they appear to be the more pragmatic of the two clans. The Sensali are not altogether unlikely to fight until they are wiped out. Although, that said, I would not rule out a small contingent of non-humans remaining in Cantha and just staying "underground" (a la rebels in Star Wars, humans in the Matrix/later Terminator stuff...), including some Tengu. Might even include some sympathisers, especially those of Kurzick or Luxon descent.

It will be a while before we find out what happened though, I think. Perhaps the upcoming books might foreshadow it a bit, but we could be waiting until a while after GW2's release. I think the odds are very high that, when they pick up the story in Cantha again, the Tengu will have a lot to do with it though.

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I didn't say to forget what he says. I said I forgot what he said. Forgot is not forget.

And Eye of the North came after Utopia development, I'm sure that is not leftover from Utopia... Dialogues, I think, would be in the later stages of development.

And Sirius - I'm a he. o_0

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So konig, are you saying you doubt that the thing talon says has nothing to do with the utopia continent?

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Hes saying that he has doubts Talon is reffering to Utopia, not that he has doubts that Talon isnt talking about Utopia.

Utopia was scrapped by the time Eye of the North was created. Infact it was scrapped to create Eye of the North. So no it wont be reffering to Utopia. The whole "all races living together in peace" sounds to much like a GW2 reference anyway. Plus EotN hints at GW2 whenver it can.

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Yeah i worded that wrong sorry.
Lots of ideas from utopia were put into eotn though.
I know that we know there's not gonna be a utopia compaing im just saying that its a possibility, i meant gw2.Yeah i know it does... sort of... any examples please?

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Hes saying that he has doubts what Talon is saying has something to do with Utopia
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Lots of ideas from utopia were put into eotn though.
To be honest, only the land and some objects - mostly the stuff in the Tarnished Coast. Not much else.

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I know that we know there's not gonna be a utopia compaing im just saying that its a possibility, i meant gw2.Yeah i know it does... sort of... any examples please?
You completely confuse me. It's like you're starting with one thought, turning it into a second thought, which goes into a third, which ends with a fourth thought. Without properly ending any (or starting) any of the thoughts.

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Yeah i worded that wrong sorry.
Lots of ideas from utopia were put into eotn though.
I know that we know there's not gonna be a utopia compaing im just saying that its a possibility, i meant gw2.Yeah i know it does... sort of... any examples please?
Yeah its true, Utopias ideas made it into EotN. But they were all visual ideas such as landscape ideas and themes. Giving NPCs dialogue that is referring to a campaign that has been scrapped is.....well kind of a waste of time.

Your post is alittle confusing but i'm guessing your saying "It might be a possiblity that Utopia makes it to GW2" or something along those lines? and i'm guessing the examples you want are the hints at GW2?.

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Aye - the impression I always had is that they simply reused zones and models they'd already made for Utopia (the non-reskinned EOTN armour like the Norn sets and Silver Eagle come out of Utopia concept art, for instance. There were more sets in the concept art, but obviously they weren't finished at the cancellation point).

On the other hand, it's not impossible that Talon is referring to an event that had originally been planning for Utopia but which has been postponed to GW2.

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Aye - the impression I always had is that they simply reused zones and models they'd already made for Utopia (the non-reskinned EOTN armour like the Norn sets and Silver Eagle come out of Utopia concept art, for instance. There were more sets in the concept art, but obviously they weren't finished at the cancellation point).

On the other hand, it's not impossible that Talon is referring to an event that had originally been planning for Utopia but which has been postponed to GW2.
I didn't know that the armour was originally for utopia, neat.

That's pretty much what i meant, yeah.

I just think it could be utopia in guild wars 2, it COULD be their homelands, although they always seem quite canthan to me.
Also, people think that the mursaat are from utopia.

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To be honest, only the land and some objects - mostly the stuff in the Tarnished Coast. Not much else.

You completely confuse me. It's like you're starting with one thought, turning it into a second thought, which goes into a third, which ends with a fourth thought. Without properly ending any (or starting) any of the thoughts.
Im referringto something someone said, i should have quoted cos it was a bit confusing, but not THAT confusing!

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For starters, "Utopia" is not the name of the location, it's the name of the campaign. The continent of Utopia is unknown - so it wouldn't technically be the homeland of any race (only stating this to prevent confusion from others). Also, there are many different (and to be honestly, obscure, ridiculous, and far-fetched) theories relating the origin of the Mursaat.

And it was "THAT" confusing to be honest.

I'm starting to think, and with a strong feeling, that your native language is not English - which would explain some of the poor grammar and confusingly put sentences.

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On the other hand, it's not impossible that Talon is referring to an event that had originally been planning for Utopia but which has been postponed to GW2.
If it does have anything to do with Utopia, then i would agree with it being something like that

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For starters, "Utopia" is not the name of the location, it's the name of the campaign. The continent of Utopia is unknown - so it wouldn't technically be the homeland of any race (only stating this to prevent confusion from others).
I think Winnie knows that Utopia is not the continents name. But since theres no name for it, its much more easier to refer to it as Utopia.

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The black island at the top left of the map was for utopia. Otherwise, why would it stand out so much?

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It only stands out so much because of two things: 1) It's there alone. 2) We don't know what it is.

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For starters, "Utopia" is not the name of the location, it's the name of the campaign. The continent of Utopia is unknown - so it wouldn't technically be the homeland of any race (only stating this to prevent confusion from others). Also, there are many different (and to be honestly, obscure, ridiculous, and far-fetched) theories relating the origin of the Mursaat.

And it was "THAT" confusing to be honest.

I'm starting to think, and with a strong feeling, that your native language is not English - which would explain some of the poor grammar and confusingly put sentences.
I know utopia is PROBABLY not the name for the continent, its just MUCH easier to call it "the unnamed continent that was originally going to be used for utopia".
What do you mean that the continent is unknown??? How couldnt it be the homeland for any race??? I remember that quite a lot of people think that the utopia continent is the mursaat homeland, well... a few people at least. People have written about it... probably... It is quite possible and it is probable that the mursaat that saul found(deep in the jungle, no im not going to find the exact text!), were near edge of tyria continent, near to utopia.
Was it that confusing? Well i cant quite remember what "THAT"(lol) was... but still... was it? WAAAAAAAAH!
Really? Bloody hell! Poor grammar??? You're mean!!!!!!!!!!!!! My sentences arent confusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What do you mean that the continent is unknown??? How couldnt it be the homeland for any race???
First part: I mean we don't know the location, name, or anything about it besides that it was jungle-like and was intended to have a meso-american look to it.

For the second part: I mean that we don't know what races would have been there aside from Sidhe (which cannot be considered canon) and humans. The only reason why people link the Mursaat there is because it's advance in technology and it's full of jungles - the later reason is also why people think it was meant to be west of Tyria. Both are poor reasons to believe such with as much zeal as people do.

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I remember that quite a lot of people think that the utopia continent is the mursaat homeland, well... a few people at least. People have written about it... probably... It is quite possible and it is probable that the mursaat that saul found(deep in the jungle, no im not going to find the exact text!), were near edge of tyria continent, near to utopia.
It is as possible as the Mursaat being from the Tarnished Coast, or them being ascended humans, or them being from another planet, or them being from the jungle north/northwest of Krtya. All proposed theories, three being highly believed (two of them because a highly respected, but poorly backed up person who linked everything mysterious to the Mursaat made the theories), all possible, and all have very little support.

We can't even take the continent of Utopia to be canon lore because the campaign was never released!

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Was it that confusing? Well i cant quite remember what "THAT"(lol) was... but still... was it? WAAAAAAAAH!
Really? Bloody hell! Poor grammar??? You're mean!!!!!!!!!!!!! My sentences arent confusing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, it was that confusing. No, I'm not mean. I'm just truthful. Truth hurts.

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It is quite possible and it is probable that the mursaat that saul found(deep in the jungle, no im not going to find the exact text!), were near edge of tyria continent, near to utopia.
This is what it says in the Manuscripts, it does not say jungle, and a dense forest simply hasn't the characteristics of a jungle. Besides, if they had taken him to a jungle, I'm sure they would have just said it outright.

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The local authorities blindfolded him and rode him out three full weeks before leaving him to fend for himself.

Alone, broke, and lost, Saul wandered through a dense forest for several days, surviving on only roots and berries.
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Really? Bloody hell! Poor grammar??? You're mean!! My sentences arent confusing!!
I mean no offense, but you're making yourself out to be a fool here. Most of your ideas, while reviewing already discussed elements understandably, are at least moderately legit. The issue is, you forget that there's an edit button, you have a tendency to overreact when it is not necessary, and you state hypotheses or even simply ideas, as being fact, when they are, in actuality, misinformed, and tend to contain inaccuracies. Such as the above statement I commented on.

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(im gonna edit this post alot cos idont know how to quote more than 1 post)
Konig. Meso-American? I couldnt be bothered to go onto wikipedia and search that but utopia was gonna be aztec themed.
Yes, you are mean for numerous reasons! mes is scares nowd.(lol)
It seems that every idea that isnt yours isnt very well supported, is unlikely, and you always come upwith loads of other things that have nothing to do with much of anything like your centaur thing in the thread i made about cantha and elono in gw2.
And about the big black island, you are right, we dont know what it is... but we have ideas... it could be an ancient dragon(these ideas are not all my own), and watchtower coast... we should all know about watchtower coast by now, ancient watchtowers, thought to have protected kryta from an ancient threat(i dont wanna go to the wiki i couldnt be bothered). The Norn was one idea from other people, i find it unlikely, the norn are not conqurers, as far as we know they dont have boats, and many other reasons ill let you lot discuss.
Hhhmmmm ive just remembered that the verdant cascades is a much more logical place that they took saul to cos of the fact that the manuscripts say dense forest and some other reasons that i cant be bothered to remember right now...
GrmLeon. Youre right. They could have just said jungle but if they did it would have just made people think maguuma jungle, verdant cascades seems more logical.
I'm not saying any of my IDEAS are fact...
edit: we are going of topic quite bit...

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Meso-American? I couldnt be bothered to go onto wikipedia and search that but utopia was gonna be aztec themed.
Meso-American contains the Aztecs, Maya, and I'm not sure what else.

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It seems that every idea that isnt yours isnt very well supported, is unlikely, and you always come upwith loads of other things that have nothing to do with much of anything like your centaur thing in the thread i made about cantha and elono in gw2.
Even seemingly irrelevant details can be used for arguments in a broad topic.

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And about the big black island, you are right, we dont know what it is... but we have ideas... it could be an ancient dragon(these ideas are not all my own), and watchtower coast... we should all know about watchtower coast by now, ancient watchtowers, thought to have protected kryta from an ancient threat(i dont wanna go to the wiki i couldnt be bothered). The Norn was one idea from other people, i find it unlikely, the norn are not conqurers, as far as we know they dont have boats, and many other reasons ill let you lot discuss.
I highly doubt that island is a dragon. That would be far larger than any dragon we've seen yet. That aside, the idea of the Norn being involved with the Giant's Basin is not as conquerors, nor as an invading army, but rather as what through continual trampling of the land, made the deep pits in the ground that became the Giant's Basin. Although, I personally can't see that being the case.

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Hhhmmmm ive just remembered that the verdant cascades is a much more logical place that they took saul to cos of the fact that the manuscripts say dense forest and some other reasons that i cant be bothered to remember right now...
Problem is, there aren't any structures there similar to the description in the Manuscripts.

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GrmLeon. Youre right. They could have just said jungle but if they did it would have just made people think maguuma jungle, verdant cascades seems more logical.
..That was my point, people have thought that Saul was taken to the jungle, but if he had been, it would have been easier to just say jungle and let people make the logical leap.

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We can only see a small portion of the verdant cascades,so it is quite a possibility that that is where saulfound the mursaat.
The island may not be an island, but... it is something, and im not the only person who thinks that it could be an ancient dragon.
My cantha and elona thread was merged with a similar, older one, but it's dissapeared now!
Edit: now that weve wrapped some things up, lets go back onto topic. Too many ideasthat have little to do with the point of this thread, although all of these ideas are interesting.

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Open quotes in multiple tabs (via right-click), copy paste over.

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Konig. Meso-American? I couldnt be bothered to go onto wikipedia and search that but utopia was gonna be aztec themed.
Meso-American would be Aztec, Incan, Mayan, and Native American for the most part.

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It seems that every idea that isnt yours isnt very well supported, is unlikely, and you always come upwith loads of other things that have nothing to do with much of anything like your centaur thing in the thread i made about cantha and elono in gw2.
No, not everything that isn't mine isn't well supported. There are many things by Free Runner, Gmr Leon, and others that is well supported. And as long as it relates to lore, it relates to something.

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And about the big black island, you are right, we dont know what it is... but we have ideas... it could be an ancient dragon(these ideas are not all my own), and watchtower coast...
we should all know about watchtower coast by now, ancient watchtowers, thought to have protected kryta from an ancient threat(i dont wanna go to the wiki i couldnt be bothered). The Norn was one idea from other people, i find it unlikely, the norn are not conqurers, as far as we know they dont have boats, and many other reasons ill let you lot discuss.
This is off-topic. The possibility of the island being an ancient dragon entirely is illogocal - from the map we can see the ancient dragons, that island doesn't look like anything living. An ancient dragon could reside there, but it alone cannot be an Ancient Dragon. And someone from Anet said that the Norn is a possibility for the who/what the giants are - even though the Norn were made later in the game and originally it was just intended for it to be regular ol' giants that we see in Tyria. And why would Boats be needed? They'd travel from the same path that the Charr took - the landmass between the two Giant's Basin lakes.

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Hhhmmmm ive just remembered that the verdant cascades is a much more logical place that they took saul to cos of the fact that the manuscripts say dense forest and some other reasons that i cant be bothered to remember right now...
GrmLeon. Youre right. They could have just said jungle but if they did it would have just made people think maguuma jungle, verdant cascades seems more logical.
Verdant Cascades specifically, I doubt, though possible. I think it would be in the unexplorable green area around Verdant Cascades. Remember - just because we cannot go there, doesn't mean others cannot.

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We can only see a small portion of the verdant cascades,so it is quite a possibility that that is where saulfound the mursaat.
The whole green area is not called Verdant Cascades. Just the explorable section of it.

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The island may not be an island, but... it is something, and im not the only person who thinks that it could be an ancient dragon.
Besides an island, logically, what could it be? A floating spacecraft waiting to be started up like the Eye of the North? Or perhaps instead of an Ancient Dragon it's an unknown sleeping god!

I bet you got the Ancient Dragon idea from the wikia wiki (aka, the unofficial wiki). The people there make the most baseless theories. If a theory doesn't have support, then I say it isn't well supported. You just keep bringing up theories (your own, or others) which you believe that have no to little support.
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My cantha and elona thread was merged with a similar, older one, but it's dissapeared now!
Actually, it was moved then closed. It's just been going into the past threads in Riverside.
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Edit: now that weve wrapped some things up, lets go back onto topic. Too many ideasthat have little to do with the point of this thread, although all of these ideas are interesting.
Remember: You're the one who took us off topic. Until someone has something to say about the actual topic of the thread, as I've learned, the thread won't go back on topic.

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WOW! You write a lot, Konig!
Thanx for explaining about quoting more that 1 post, but i have another question, how do you put multiple quotes from the same post onto 1 post, you know like you just did.

Ok, thanx, i just wasn't sure.

Yeah? Well... Oh, whatever...

It's not me that brought the thread off-topic! All i did was say that it was possible that the tengu are from utopia, then LOADS of other ideas kept popping up form other people and i get the blame!

Yeah, a dragon COULD RESIDE there, i know its probably not an actual dragon.
You think my ideas are badly supported??? Some people on the guru said that they though the island was the fissure of woe!!

Arenanet said that? Cool!

I forgot aboit the fact they could just walk, lol! But the watchtowers seem to be watching the water rather than the land, did you read someones post about the norn walking on it and making ir flood... summing like dat.

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WOW! You write a lot, Konig!
Thanx for explaining about quoting more that 1 post, but i have another question, how do you put multiple quotes from the same post onto 1 post, you know like you just did.
Just do the BBC code yourself (which, for quoting, would be [quote=<name> ][/ quote] without the spaces).

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Ok, thanx, i just wasn't sure.

Yeah? Well... Oh, whatever...
I have no clue what you are commenting on...

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It's not me that brought the thread off-topic! All i did was say that it was possible that the tengu are from utopia, then LOADS of other ideas kept popping up form other people and i get the blame!
Technically, that started bringing this off-topic. As the topic is about Cantha, not the origin of the Tengu which could be anywhere or a similar circumstance to humans.

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Yeah, a dragon COULD RESIDE there, i know its probably not an actual dragon.
You think my ideas are badly supported??? Some people on the guru said that they though the island was the fissure of woe!!
And that idea is actually worse! Your point?

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I forgot aboit the fact they could just walk, lol! But the watchtowers seem to be watching the water rather than the land, did you read someones post about the norn walking on it and making ir flood... summing like dat.
The response from Leon was just a theory. And it doesn't have to be another's idea... As for what the watchtowers look over - it's been too long since I've been to the area for me to know. But it could just be the general idea of "north" - if a group of giants can travel via land, what prevents them from making ships?

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I was commenting on the bit where you were explaining about meso-american.

I can't really remember exactly what made it go off topic, i don't think that it is my fault(lol).

Yeah that ideas was worse! My point? UUUUUHHHHH... Cos you kept saying things like my ideas are bad and badly supported, so im just saying that there are people worse than me.

Yes, you are right, it was just an idea. Watchtower coast and what the watchtowers are there for i think is an interesting topic... Hey, wait a second! I just remembered! Have you seen that thing that mentions cantha trading with tyria, elona, and the NORTHERN AREAS? I think it was on a timelime, very... Interesting!


No offence, but i don't really understand the bitwhere you explained about posting multiple quotes.

Wouldn't it be easier to just to click quote on 1 post for the number of multiple quotes you want from that post then do some deleting and copy the bits you want onto 1 post.(yes, i know this is a bit confusing)
Let's get back on topic now! PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(lol)

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Have you seen that thing that mentions cantha trading with tyria, elona, and the NORTHERN AREAS? I think it was on a timelime, very... Interesting!
Not the Timeline, but it says the Northern Continents. Meaning Tyria and Elona.

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Not the Timeline, but it says the Northern Continents. Meaning Tyria and Elona.
He means this:

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Commerce returned to a brisk pace once the Affliction ended, and since then, many Canthans have sought to reestablish old trade routes to Elona and Kryta as well as locate new opportunities farther north.
At least, I think.

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Remember: You're the one who took us off topic. Until someone has something to say about the actual topic of the thread, as I've learned, the thread won't go back on topic.
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Let's get back on topic now! PLEASE, I BEG OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(lol)*
Alright, if I may.

As some of you said, probably there won't be a second Tengu War.
The Dragon Empire is much more well organized and prepared, as they attached the Kurzicks and the Luxons and drove all of the non-human races off Cantha.

The Angchu, at least the ones we see in Factions, are peacefull and had a tentative relationship with Togo, opposite to the aggressiveness of the Sensali.

So, my guess is that, or the Angchu go into hiding, or they just accept the emperor tirany and leave Cantha.
Regarding the Sensali, they are aggressive to humans, tengu and yeti alike. So, with the new Canthan rules, they will probably rebell and be erased from the maps.