6-hero Sabway?

Tharg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2006

Massachusetts

Omega Glory

Mo/

27 Jul 2009 at 14:10 - 1

I would like to run a 6-hero Sabway. Has anybody tried it? Any suggestions on the three additional heroes?

And yes, I have done 6-hero Discordway with great success - I just want to try something else for a change.

Killamus

Guest

Join Date: Oct 2008

27 Jul 2009 at 15:01 - 2

Paul Dawg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

House of Myrthe (HoMe)

27 Jul 2009 at 22:13 - 3

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

27 Jul 2009 at 22:27 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

I like it a lot. 1 man sabway just doesn't have enough elite spots.

I prefer as my elites:
Lingering curse (In sheer irony, I run healer on this build)
Spiteful spirit
Pain of disenchant (For more irony, I run a prot build here)
aura of the lich + death nova
Icy Veins + rit healer
Signet of Spirits + spiritspammer build

All of them (except the aotl) should have animate shambling horror, and the aotl should have animate bone minions. Pretty solid. Icy Veins is surprisingly good when you see it in action. I'd prefer Discord or Jagged Bones over AotL but it's a matter of preference. Packs plenty of direct heal, plenty of prot/cleanup, and some unexpectedly good usage of elites.

Killamus

Guest

Join Date: Oct 2008

28 Jul 2009 at 03:12 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

I don't really see the value of a second spiteful spirit, and two MM's usually won't work. So a double-Sabway team is pretty questionable IMO. But you can bring a second copy of the N/Rt healer. (Just make sure that one has recuperation instead of life, because two copies of life is a waste.)

What would make quite a bit more sense is a Sabway/Discord combination team. Again, two MM's isn't going to work in most areas, so you'd need a sixth hero of some kind. It depends on your idea of a MM. The old idea of using your minions as meat shields is really outdated, they do their job by dying, not living. So bringing something like blood of the master, or healing ring, isn't a good idea. The general idea of the builds I posted should have enough effort to plow through anything, even in HM, without minions, but minions are always better. Shambling horror is nice because it gives two meat shields and two deaths that last a lot longer then bone minions, at the downside of having a stupidly long recharge. But with 6 of em, that's not really an issue. The animate bone minions is there so that someone, at least, will always have a minion or two.

dracolysis

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2008

[Dark]

28 Jul 2009 at 08:11 - 6

Have to look at wiki for energy cost / activation time / skill recharge but here

1. Splinter Resto

2. Curse Para

* Variations:
- Normal SS Build without paragon skills, especially if party doesn't have a melee for "Find Their Weakness", or Fall Back is unwanted

3. MM Bomber

* Variations:
- AotL

4. Prot
12 Soul Reaping(Head) + Rune
12 Protection Prayers
3 Healing Prayers

* Variations:
- Restore Condition instead of Life Sheath
- Another res skill such as Rebirth

5. Heal
12 Soul Reaping(Head) + Rune
12 Healing Prayers

* Variations:
- Another Elite that provides solid healing on a Necro with 12 Healing / 0 Divine (WoH, etc)
- Another N/Rt Resto with Recovery instead of Life

6. SV
12 Blood Magic(Head) +Rune
9 Soul Reaping + Rune
9 Command

* Variations:
- Icy Veins
- Another Curse nec with different curses than the first (Feast of Corruption, Weaken Armor, etc)
- Spirit Spam
- Smiter/Bond/Prot nec (RoJ, Strength and Honor bond)

Equipment:
I either use a 40/40 set on the heroes or some staff
Survivor Runes + Vigor/Vitae

Player 1: What I personally use most of the time

Player 2: ???

I usually use this for VQing (where the 2x Fall Back saves time), or any 2-man PvE

Carnivorous Cupcake

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

Lolrus League [lol]

A/E

28 Jul 2009 at 11:36 - 7

I prefer to just use two copies of Bomber, SS and Resto only removing skills that would otherwise overlap like Life for example. Sometimes, I will replace one N/Rt with N/Mo for stronger Dwayna's Sorrow.
Heroes would never cast the same hex on the same target that means they would spread SS all over the place which is extremely strong. Double Splinter weapon gives even more aoe nuking, double Putrid Bile means that every foe you kill would explode, with double Jagged Bones your minion wall is almost immortal.

I'm going to write the builds up on my PvX profile and post a link here.

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005

Bellevue, WA

28 Jul 2009 at 17:51 - 8

If you are running Sabway, I would consider using Signet of Spirits instead of Xinrae's. Mend Body & Soul will then remove 4 conditions at a time instead of 1, and the spirits also do quite a lot of damage between them. The tradeoff is slightly less defense, but I think it's worth it.

Paul Dawg

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Apr 2008

House of Myrthe (HoMe)

28 Jul 2009 at 22:51 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killamus

It depends on your idea of a MM. The old idea of using your minions as meat shields is really outdated, they do their job by dying, not living. So bringing something like blood of the master, or healing ring, isn't a good idea. The general idea of the builds I posted should have enough effort to plow through anything, even in HM, without minions, but minions are always better. Shambling horror is nice because it gives two meat shields and two deaths that last a lot longer then bone minions, at the downside of having a stupidly long recharge. But with 6 of em, that's not really an issue. The animate bone minions is there so that someone, at least, will always have a minion or two. Two MM's usually won't work because you won't find enough corpses for them, not because the old idea of using minions as meat shields is outdated (or whatever). Yes, there are areas where you have enough corpses to warrant a second MM. But usually that's not the case.

Dahl

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2005

Ontario, Canada

Exalted Legionnaires [ExL]

29 Jul 2009 at 04:01 - 10

Why is it that I keep hearing the words <skill>WAY?

I don't see the skill "I will avenge you!" anywhere in any of these builds. The only way a build can have the word "way" at the end of it, is if IWAY is part of the build.

Discord will avenge you?

Killamus

Guest

Join Date: Oct 2008

29 Jul 2009 at 04:10 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dahl View Post

What would you recommend calling it? "Three heroes with discord"? "Discord team"? You're right, there's no actual IWAY skill, but the last 3 letters held on for other builds. Which is why it's now "Way", not "W.A.Y.". A nomenclature brought out of an outdated build, but the idea (Basing a team around one-two skills) isn't outdated in the least.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Dawg

Two MM's usually won't work because you won't find enough corpses for them, not because the old idea of using minions as meat shields is outdated (or whatever). Yes, there are areas where you have enough corpses to warrant a second MM. But usually that's not the case. This is what confuses me. There's never not enough corpses for 2+ MM's. If I have two heroes with animate bone minions, all that means is that they can cast it as if echo'd. It also leaves for a higher max minion count - Even if there's just enough corpses for 1 MM, if you split those between two heroes, nothing bad has come of it. I rarely get above 20 minions with my discordway, but all 3 of my heroes have minion skills because that's the same as allocating an arcane echo to one of the shambling horrors, with NO downside. The ONLY downside to this is if you use skills like blood of the master, which work for all minions.

Carnivorous Cupcake

Academy Page

Join Date: Jul 2009

Lolrus League [lol]

A/E

29 Jul 2009 at 09:07 - 12

Here it is as promised.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/User:Carni..._Hero_Necroway

I used this (- recently buffed skills) to get me Legendary Guardian, Canthan Vanquisher, Half of Elonian Vanquisher, Vanquish all of the gw:en areas and fill books in ~2 hours.

Gigashadow

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Aug 2005