Speed Clear Guilds
Spiritweaver
With the constant call for a nerf to Shadow Form and/or speed clears of elite areas what do you think will happen to alot of these guilds that form solely to do speed clears should any of these nerfs happen?
English Warrior
Find and use different builds obviously.
dunky_g
they would find the next gimic build and exploit it! 
Lynx*
They would just exploit another build like they did with SF
dr love
what they said ^^^^^^^
adapt and overcome
adapt and overcome
Tullzinski
I concur with the guys above. Really the whole nerf thing is pointless in PVE.
ATTN ANET: Restore Ursan! No More Nerfs! Buy all the accounts you want! Farm until you pass out! Abuse XTH! Solo God Builds! Unstoppable Hero Builds! If you don't like it don't use it! Keep the F%#K out of my fun!
ATTN ANET: Restore Ursan! No More Nerfs! Buy all the accounts you want! Farm until you pass out! Abuse XTH! Solo God Builds! Unstoppable Hero Builds! If you don't like it don't use it! Keep the F%#K out of my fun!
MithranArkanere
The three D's
Delusion, Despair and Disband.
Delusion: "They shound't have done that!!".
Despair: "What can we do now?!".
Disband: "Meh, I'll join a raptor farming build".
Tada! XDDDD
Delusion, Despair and Disband.
Delusion: "They shound't have done that!!".
Despair: "What can we do now?!".
Disband: "Meh, I'll join a raptor farming build".
Tada! XDDDD
matthijs123
It wouldn't be a big problem, you exploit something else, and for one time they will not put it on guru or PvX, the SC guilds will just get more elite
MirkoTeran
They will wait until someone finds a new gimic then copy it. Till then most of them will QQ all over the place.
Evasion Twenty
Spell breaker anyone?
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Spiritweaver
With the constant call for a nerf to Shadow Form and/or speed clears of elite areas what do you think will happen to alot of these guilds that form solely to do speed clears should any of these nerfs happen?
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SC'ing isn't just about OP skills. It's about easily exploitable game mechanics and poor dungeon designs. So, they can nerf SF, they can nerf CoP, and they can nerf all the other SC builds......but people will still be able to do it until they fix the real problems (poor game mechanics and dungeons).
drunknzelda
I say: Nerf SF and reduce Obsidian Flesh to -33% speed, this makes you vulnerable to attacks at least, and you have to fill almost your entire bar with defensive stuff to reduce that to zero in HM (for SC around 5/8 skills) plus you have to watch more things than just SF. Don't think I don't enjoy using SF though, but I used to do UW clear with my Obs Flesh Ele and I found it way more fun ^^
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by drunknzelda
I say: Nerf SF and reduce Obsidian Flesh to -33% speed, this makes you vulnerable to attacks at least, and you have to fill almost your entire bar with defensive stuff to reduce that to zero in HM (for SC around 5/8 skills) plus you have to watch more things than just SF. Don't think I don't enjoy using SF though, but I used to do UW clear with my Obs Flesh Ele and I found it way more fun ^^
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Schnellburg
No all dungeons use a SF sin. I know when we do Raven's Point we dont use a Sin at all, and were doing like 18-22ish min runs.
In short just come up with and use different builds. Won't take long after the Nerf for them to be discovered.
In short just come up with and use different builds. Won't take long after the Nerf for them to be discovered.
Athrun Feya
honestly, it will make no difference to the better guilds. People were crying for RoJ to be fixed and CoP to be nerf - it happened and oh look we can still complete DoA, the "hardest" content, in under an hour. Some frenchies in the alliance have already tested DoA without SF tanks and still got within a respectable time. Of course, people will just pick out the next best thing, call it overpowered and get it nerfed, which will happen time and time again.
Personally, i've completed the deep HM in 18minutes without SF or pve skills - where do you draw the line on whats 'overpowered' and what is terrible level design. If you break down many of the Elite areas and Dungeons into what actually needs to be killed to continue, you'll realise its no wonder people are completing them so fast.
PuGs and not so experienced teams get hit the hardest when something reasonably easy for unorganised groups gets nerfed.
Personally, i've completed the deep HM in 18minutes without SF or pve skills - where do you draw the line on whats 'overpowered' and what is terrible level design. If you break down many of the Elite areas and Dungeons into what actually needs to be killed to continue, you'll realise its no wonder people are completing them so fast.
PuGs and not so experienced teams get hit the hardest when something reasonably easy for unorganised groups gets nerfed.
Schnellburg
Agreed there was a German guild that did DoA and broke icU's record by a min or 2 with just a single Obby Flesh tank. You have to only kill and do what you have to in order to get a fast time.
Mouse at Large
OF is not really comparable to SF. You need at least 6 bar spots to deal with physicals and /or interrupts
Athrun Feya
But it still gives the same results,so what does it matter? FoC and CoP aren't the same, at the end of the day, the result is.
Schnellburg
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Originally Posted by Athrun Feya
But it still gives the same results,so what does it matter? FoC and CoP aren't the same, at the end of the day, the result is.
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Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by Athrun Feya
PuGs and not so experienced teams get hit the hardest when something reasonably easy for unorganised groups gets nerfed.
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drunknzelda
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Originally Posted by Mouse at Large
OF is not really comparable to SF. You need at least 6 bar spots to deal with physicals and /or interrupts
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The Little Viking
The majority of the people who are not willing to find a profession they can actually play on and earn some money or get in on the speed clears (which in my opinion are just no fun) or find a way to make 10s of 1000s of K in an hour will not be happy until we are all running around in our underwear carrying feathers into battle with as weapons with absolutely no skills to cast.
Let the speed clear people play the game the way they want, let the farmers of other items play the game the way they want, let the PvErs play the game the way they want, and let the PvPers play the game the way they want. In all actuality, NONE of the above are breaking any rules, none of the above are hurting YOU personally, and none of the above are ruining anything for anyone else. So you cant get in a group for UW, get a guild group together and go the slow way, and let the rest of us enjoy the game the way we want to play. And dont give me this "they are ruining the economy" crap. They are not hurting it any more then Joe down the road is ruining the economy by hoarding his steel till the price goes up. Besides, lets face it, Rl or in game the economy is what it is. deal with it and move on.
Let the speed clear people play the game the way they want, let the farmers of other items play the game the way they want, let the PvErs play the game the way they want, and let the PvPers play the game the way they want. In all actuality, NONE of the above are breaking any rules, none of the above are hurting YOU personally, and none of the above are ruining anything for anyone else. So you cant get in a group for UW, get a guild group together and go the slow way, and let the rest of us enjoy the game the way we want to play. And dont give me this "they are ruining the economy" crap. They are not hurting it any more then Joe down the road is ruining the economy by hoarding his steel till the price goes up. Besides, lets face it, Rl or in game the economy is what it is. deal with it and move on.
Xanthe Dashka
SC guilds are srs bsns.
It's the last thing I would care about.
And the answer is obvious... the next build allready exsists but isn't used because it takes 1 minute longer to clear...
It's the last thing I would care about.
And the answer is obvious... the next build allready exsists but isn't used because it takes 1 minute longer to clear...
toocooltang
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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus
They will continue to speed clear. I can't remember who it was, but I know that a larger SC guild recently SC'd Urgoz's with no PvE skills, no shadow form, and no RoJ.......so these guys will always be able to do this shit.
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The advantage of shadowform when combined with cons is actually bar compression. With shadow form and cons you only need 2 skills which leaves you 6 others for damage dealing. In the old days of guildwars you often needed 2 or more players dedicated to defense (OF/bond/heal). This really limited teams and options for damage dealing.
About nerfs- It only affects the lower end of the community really. Ursan for exampled allowed anyone with enough time to grind out max norn the ablitily to join groups. Now with the shadowform and cry way groups tactics have become much more important but there is still enough room for error that most pug groups can struggle through the elite areas. The things that should actually be nerfed is stoneflesh aura and 600/smites because this would stop alot of the current "speed clears"
The guild wars economy is ruined because its a game! In real life there should be a finite money supply, meaning there is a limit to the amount of money in the world. In guild wars this is not true because you always have people killing things. When you kill things in guild wars they drop more loot (aka money) so effectivly in guildwars you have an infinite money supply which leads to deflation.
Karate Jesus
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Originally Posted by toocooltang
Screen shot or it didnt happen.
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czfeng
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Originally Posted by Schnellburg
Agreed there was a German guild that did DoA and broke icU's record by a min or 2 with just a single Obby Flesh tank.
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Max Maulwurf
There was one german guild, who did 51 min with single OF-tank, and another who played with one single SF-tank and was 1 min faster than icU's 42-record. I think icU was faster again kinda next run. ^^
Schnellburg
Don't worry Psy yall rebroke their record by a few mins, so you can go back to into retirement. And it was a single OF tank that did it a min faster, i actually talked to him bout it, but that was like a while back.