Make common headpieces account wide?

Spiritweaver

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Title says it all.

None of them have any attribute tied to them anyway so I see no reason not to be able to do this. Perhaps make them cost a bit more to balance them out aswell.

Of course make it so only level 20s can wear them aswell.

Why?

Because it don't half piss people off then they buy themselves a brand new Blindfold then see that the hairstyle they have clips very badly (it gets worse than this with some).

Would beat paying to change your characters hairstyle anyway.

Evasion Twenty

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so you purchase it and you end up with ti on EVERY toon?

Explain how this'd work please.

EDIT: It may not be a good idea, it's a MASSIVE gold sink so it shouldn't be implemented, but I'd say most of us would like it. Why not ask for a close thread and make a poll?

eldrethv

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I would love this!
I think It would be nice to be able to put chaos gloves/glacial etc on different characters too.

Legendary Jamie

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I would love this!
I think I'd be nice to be able to put chaos gloves/glacial etc on different characters too.
No......................

Yawgmoth

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Want to get 80+20 Armor Blindfold and then use on your casters?

Suggestion is bad. They should better work and fix the clipping issues on many armor pieces instead, there are tons of them still in game.

Legendary Jamie

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
Want to get 80+20 Armor Blindfold and then use on your casters?

Suggestion is bad. They should better work and fix the clipping issues on many armor pieces instead, there are tons of them still in game.
But Anet are too busy pretending they are working on GW2 to give us any attention.

Spiritweaver

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so you purchase it and you end up with ti on EVERY toon?
No it just becomes usable by every toon. Just that one piece.

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Originally Posted by Yawgmoth View Post
Want to get 80+20 Armor Blindfold and then use on your casters?

Suggestion is bad. They should better work and fix the clipping issues on many armor pieces instead, there are tons of them still in game.
Obviously the armour level would change to the corresponding proffession. Not unlike the main attribute of the mask changes depending on the rune put on it. I wouldn't have thought that would need clarifying to you.

And it's because of the clipping that I suggested this. Anet will never fix the clipping issues they have already said this.

DarkFlame

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Tons of armor have clipping issues. Should they made account wide as well?

Whatever. Armor has always come customized to the character that crafted it, shouldn't be changed just cause you spent all this gold and now don't know what to do with your ugly blindfold.

MagmaRed

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Removes a gold sink, which is bad for the game. Even if you kept it on the account, it would allow you to acquire 1 item (Blindfold, Spectacles, Chaos Gloves, etc., etc.) and have armor for ANY character on your account. This would mean you are spending less money (which is the only reason I believe you want this). This means you have removed a money sink from the game, and we actually need more of them, not less.

But despite that, it would cause major problems in coding. If your Warrior has a Blindfold with 80+20 armor and a Survivor Insignia and Minor Axe Rune on it, then puts it in storage for your Ele to use.... Your Ele now has 80+20 armor with +1 Axe? Or how do you handle switching if runes are still present? It may add a money sink into Perfect Salvage Kits, but I don't think the coding would be possible to allow it.

Buck up, and spend some more platinum.... not hard to do.

Spiritweaver

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(which is the only reason I believe you want this)
If that was the reason I wanted this I would have just said so. The reason I suggested it is because when I got one for my Paragon (female with the headband) the clipping was so bad it looked awful and was a waste of money. However had I have been able to use that Blindfold on another character that money would not have been wasted. The amount of money isn't an issue, hence why I said increase the cost of it aswell, it's the principle of buying something I won't use and wasting it. Gold sinks are all good, except when the gold sink ends up becoming a waste of time. I'm sure that when you sink gold into something you want to sit back and think, "yeah that looks nice", not "wow that looks horrible".

As for the armour sets brought up earlier that also clip it works differently in that respect because all armour sets are profession based. Common headpieces like Mo Zing Mask and Blindfold are not and are already usable by all professions with the only difference being armour level which is probably easier to remedy than some make it out to be.

Kook~NBK~

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Join Date: Mar 2005

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/not signed - But being able to see if there's a clipping issue is a strong arguement for an armor preview window when considering making armor purchases.

Spiritweaver

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/not signed - But being able to see if there's a clipping issue is a strong arguement for an armor preview window when considering making armor purchases.
I like this idea.

Kook~NBK~

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I like this idea.
Gotta give credit where it's due. An armor preview window was first suggested here: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=28844

MithranArkanere

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They are not actually common.

Unlike pieces of the same profession, that can be seen in other characters of the same profession when you try dyes on them, pieces of different professions won't do that.

Also, they come with inherent properties of the profession, such as 60, 70 or 80 armor, +20 vs physical attacks, +30 vs elemental attacks, etc..

They just look similar, but even if they were not customized, they won't be equipped by other characters.

Need More Donuts

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Join Date: Aug 2008

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I like this idea just bought a bandana on my Derv and would rather have it on my Warr now....
But of course there would be the problem of the AL....
Really like the armor preview idea kind of like the dye preview, would save me a lot of money....

Evasion Twenty

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed View Post
But despite that, it would cause major problems in coding. If your Warrior has a Blindfold with 80+20 armor and a Survivor Insignia and Minor Axe Rune on it, then puts it in storage for your Ele to use.... Your Ele now has 80+20 armor with +1 Axe? Or how do you handle switching if runes are still present? It may add a money sink into Perfect Salvage Kits, but I don't think the coding would be possible to allow it.
while it does remove a gold sink, it is bad.

It would be nice but better is an armor previewer -.-" Wouldnt anet have thought of that when they made dye-preview?!

Also, the runes would be cleaned off when added to the hat trader, or whatever NPC they make. IF they decided to do this, it would have to require a nice amount of money. Maybe 50k, and so many mats depending on the item. Blindfold=50k+cloth+silk+hides+leather.

Sierraa

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Fix all other armor clipping issues (Which will never happen) before you add this. Ask friends with the armor/blindfold/whatever to do makeover preview with your hair if you're really that concerned, or put up with minor clipping issues.

Make over window is essentially an armor preview tool now.

Spiritweaver

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They are not actually common.
So Guildwiki is wrong then?

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Common_armor

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Unlike pieces of the same profession, that can be seen in other characters of the same profession when you try dyes on them, pieces of different professions won't do that.
So are you saying I could trade a Blindfold from a friend and attempt to dye it and see it in a preview window on my character?

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Also, they come with inherent properties of the profession, such as 60, 70 or 80 armor, +20 vs physical attacks, +30 vs elemental attacks, etc..

They just look similar, but even if they were not customized, they won't be equipped by other characters.
I don't really get what you are saying. Other than armour level and profession specific bonus (which I already covered) they are exactly the same on every profession.

Unreal Havoc

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Fix all other armor clipping issues (Which will never happen) before you add this. Ask friends with the armor/blindfold/whatever to do makeover preview with your hair if you're really that concerned, or put up with minor clipping issues.
I think the point here is the major clipping issues. Some can be overlooked but others are just plain awful.

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I think the point here is the major clipping issues. Some can be overlooked but others are just plain awful.
My post still stands, fix the giant black boxes on my mesmer's FoW armor before you fix eotn blindfolds/glasses etc. :P If you don't like it, either change your appearance, live with it or don't buy it.

Unreal Havoc

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My post still stands, fix the giant black boxes on my mesmer's FoW armor before you fix eotn blindfolds/glasses etc. :P If you don't like it, either change your appearance, live with it or don't buy it.
So people should pay to change their appearance for something that is out of their own control in the first place? What's next? Pay to change your characters profession because your FoW armour has technical issues too? You shouldn't have to pay to fix something that should have been done properly in the first place.

Sadly there are those that are unlucky enough to have to live with it because they already bought it. I too have had this issue when I first got some of the EotN headpieces. I've learnt to just not bother entirely with them nowadays which is a shame really.

And yes there are issues with profession based armour that does need addressing but that's a different subject and not as easily addressable as the issue the OP is addressing. The skins for the headpieces are the same for each profession compared to the individual skins of armour sets.

People will have to just deal with it, but don't shoot down peoples suggestions as bad ones just because you feel bitter that your FoW armour is fugly due to technical issues. They're all issues that need addressing and everyone damn well knows it.

Anet will never fix the clipping issues with armour, this however is one way to at least alleviate the issue on some of the EotN headpices, and I think it's not a bad idea, though it needs more thought into how it would work properly.

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So people should pay to change their appearance for something that is out of their own control in the first place? What's next? Pay to change your characters profession because your FoW armour has technical issues too? You shouldn't have to pay to fix something that should have been done properly in the first place.

Sadly there are those that are unlucky enough to have to live with it because they already bought it. I too have had this issue when I first got some of the EotN headpieces. I've learnt to just not bother entirely with them nowadays which is a shame really.

And yes there are issues with profession based armour that does need addressing but that's a different subject and not as easily addressable as the issue the OP is addressing. The skins for the headpieces are the same for each profession compared to the individual skins of armour sets.

People will have to just deal with it, but don't shoot down peoples suggestions as bad ones just because you feel bitter that your FoW armour is fugly due to technical issues. They're all issues that need addressing and everyone damn well knows it.

Anet will never fix the clipping issues with armour, this however is one way to at least alleviate the issue on some of the EotN headpices, and I think it's not a bad idea, though it needs more thought into how it would work properly.
Actually it is semi in your control, you don't have to buy it, and it's very possible to check if it clips. If you -really- want that item but you don't want it to clip, you have the option of living with it, changing your appearance or not buying it.My blindfold clips with all but one character, and yet I'll still continue to buy it. You're making the choice to not buy it, because it clips which is fine. No one is making you buy it.

The live team has already said that clipping issues are something they don't have the time or resources to correct, and even if they did it's something they probably still wouldn't fix. Also the gauntlets are different for mesmers. My point of other armor was, I'd rather they fix older clipping issues before they fix something that I don't find to be that problematic.

I do believe you are shooting down my OPINION on the matter. You're not obligated to respond to me, nor should you think that my opinion is the correct one, or even the course of action that would be taken on this subject. Out of all the responses you picked him to dissect. I happen to like my armor, and I don't mind the clipping issues that much which is why I'll continue to wear it.

Making it account wide doesn't seem like the answer to me. You have a lot of options in previewing it if you're really that concerned about how it clips. If they took the time to implement it to being account wide, they might as well just fix how it clips and keep the current system; buying them for every character.

Unreal Havoc

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Actually it is semi in your control, you don't have to buy it, and it's very possible to check if it clips. If you -really- want that item but you don't want it to clip, you have the option of living with it, changing your appearance or not buying it.My blindfold clips with all but one character, and yet I'll still continue to buy it. You're making the choice to not buy it, because it clips which is fine. No one is making you buy it.
Stop spinning the "You don't have to buy it" yarn. These items should be usable by all without these issues in the first place. Paying real money out of your own pocket to fix the issue is also the most stupid thing I have ever heard. I can't believe anyone would even suggest that.

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The live team has already said that clipping issues are something they don't have the time or resources to correct, and even if they did it's something they probably still wouldn't fix. Also the gauntlets are different for mesmers. My point of other armor was, I'd rather they fix older clipping issues before they fix something that I don't find to be that problematic.
As would alot of people, but that's not the point of this thread.

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I do believe you are shooting down my OPINION on the matter. You're not obligated to respond to me, nor should you think that my opinion is the correct one, or even the course of action that would be taken on this subject. Out of all the responses you picked him to dissect. I happen to like my armor, and I don't mind the clipping issues that much which is why I'll continue to wear it.
Well I see alot of people shooting down peoples opinions, I guess you'll just have to deal with it, that's how the suggestion forums are. What's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say.

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Making it account wide doesn't seem like the answer to me. You have a lot of options in previewing it if you're really that concerned about how it clips. If they took the time to implement it to being account wide, they might as well just fix how it clips and keep the current system; buying them for every character.
Really? Where's the players option to preview it before buying it? There is none other than seeing how it looks on someone else, which involves finding someone with the same character look as yours who owns a blindfold on it, or dye preview which involves loaning a blindfold from a friend.

That is not alot of options, and if you think they are acceptable options then I guess you are pleased very easily.

If they fixed how it clips, I would be happy with that. However they won't ever fix it, or any other clipping issues, so I think the OPs suggestion isn't a bad idea.

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Stop spinning the "You don't have to buy it" yarn. These items should be usable by all without these issues in the first place. Paying real money out of your own pocket to fix the issue is also the most stupid thing I have ever heard. I can't believe anyone would even suggest that.



As would alot of people, but that's not the point of this thread.



Well I see alot of people shooting down peoples opinions, I guess you'll just have to deal with it, that's how the suggestion forums are. What's good for the goose is good for the gander as they say.



Really? Where's the players option to preview it before buying it? There is none other than seeing how it looks on someone else, which involves finding someone with the same character look as yours who owns a blindfold on it, or dye preview which involves loaning a blindfold from a friend.

That is not alot of options, and if you think they are acceptable options then I guess you are pleased very easily.

If they fixed how it clips, I would be happy with that. However they won't ever fix it, or any other clipping issues, so I think the OPs suggestion isn't a bad idea.
The items are USABLE, and expecting them to implement non clipping armor or non bugged updates is expecting a miracle tbh. The game is not perfect, there will be some things that clip or look funny, and paying for a makeover is one of the options we're presented with to deal with it. If you so dearly want your blindfold to not clip and you're willing to pay for the make-over that's great. For those of us who don't have the money or don't want to, we deal with clipping or don't buy it.

I want to add that you are the one that brought up that I was shooting down other's opinions when I haven't. You dissected my post out of all of them and accused me. For those people who make suggestions like this, kudos you care a lot more about the game and a headpiece than I do. You're creative enough to want to see things fixed and changed, where as I'm ok with status quo. I -personally- think there are other options that would be better than making common headgear account wide.

As for player options, I mentioned that the makeover preview allows people to change hair/face/skin color. Find a friend or a guild mate with the common headgear of choice and ask for a certain hairstyle etc. I'm sure you're capable of finding someone. If for some reason you can't use gwg in the screenshot requests. If you really want something or if you really want to preview something I'm sure you can find a way to achieve it, because it's probably important to you.

You missed the point about OP's suggestion in my last post. If the live team would take the effort to implement a whole new preview system or an account wide common headgear change, I would much rather them spend the time fixing the clipping issues rather than completely changing something. I'm no programmer I do believe it'd be a lot easier to just fix minor clipping issues, than to implement a new system altogether. They'd have to rework the rune system too, iirc once you upgrade one of them with a rune (lets say a minor prot) even if you remove it, it stays + 1 prot inherent.

Pistachio

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I'm not sure about this for Roleplaying characters, but I could see this as an option for PvP. You could essentially "unlock" armor for your PvP characters by using a Roleplaying character just as you do skills, weapon mods, and heroes. I know I've read many times before about how PvP players wish they could have some of the armor that PvE characters do. This may be a good solution.

Zahr Dalsk

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I understand people like gold sinks (I don't, because I don't farm, so I like things as cheap as possible) but for those of us who actually play multiple characters, not use them as mules or "alts," everything that becomes account-wide (items, titles, etc) is a good thing.

crazybanshee

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I disagree somewhat. It's not actually a goldsink for the most part. The common headpieces (crown, mo zing, dread, blindfold etc) are in no way a gold sink. Sure, people pay gold to other people for the collectible item they need to get the mask, but that does not remove gold from the game, which is the definition of gold sink. I disagree with making them account wide however. No other armor is, and customized weapons are not, so why should they be?