Jaya Bluff

The problem I'm having is it takes me 20 minutes to clear the area Aim for 10 minutes, then your drops/hour are doubled.

I use a Ranger, Vengeful was Khanei build. I tend to use a birthday cupcake to increase my running speed rather than a skill, otherwise my energy may not recharge fast enough between groups (other professions don't suffer such energy problems). If the run goes well, I'm done just as the cupcake runs out ie. 10 minutes.

I don't get anything like the 3-digit drops-per-run that some people claim though - usually about 60-80.

I tend to salvage scalps while I'm running between groups so I don't waste any time doing it in town or whatever.

Aim for 10 minutes, then your drops/hour are doubled.

I use a Ranger, Vengeful was Khanei build. I tend to use a birthday cupcake to increase my running speed rather than a skill, otherwise my energy may not recharge fast enough between groups (other professions don't suffer such energy problems). If the run goes well, I'm done just as the cupcake runs out ie. 10 minutes.

I don't get anything like the 3-digit drops-per-run that some people claim though - usually about 60-80.

I tend to salvage scalps while I'm running between groups so I don't waste any time doing it in town or whatever. Obviously you are not doing the run properly else you will get more than 100 feathers after salvaging the scalps. I have averaged 15-20 minutes on my ele and just took her out on a run as I never timed my runs. It proves me right and I took a screenshot(see pic). There are a total of about 16 groups altogether across the frozen lake and usually you may have to pass through 1 or 2 groups of yetis that slows down the run. You can avoid some but not all. If it takes you 10 mins = 60 - 80 feathers than it makes sense to do 20 mins = 120 - 160 feathers.

After salvaging the scalps I got 163 feathers altogether.

Obviously you are not doing the run properly else you will get more than 100 feathers after salvaging the scalps. I have averaged 15-20 minutes on my ele and just took her out on a run as I never timed my runs. It proves me right and I took a screenshot(see pic). There are a total of about 16 groups altogether across the frozen lake and usually you may have to pass through 1 or 2 groups of yetis that slows down the run. You can avoid some but not all. If it takes you 10 mins = 60 - 80 feathers than it makes sense to do 20 mins = 120 - 160 feathers.

After salvaging the scalps I got 163 feathers altogether. I don't doubt you, but I've no idea what I am doing "wrong", and indeed I'd love to find out. I've followed the routes shown in other threads, I've even taken time at the end of a run to go around the whole map, to make sure I haven't been persistently missing some groups.

Maybe I generally have bad luck, or maybe there's something about the method I use or the speed I kill the groups. Such things have been suggested many times by various people, although I'm not aware of any absolute proof either way. I get plenty of drops, just too many weapons/armour and not enough scalps/feathers. I can't remember ever getting over 100 feathers from one run.

I don't doubt you, but I've no idea what I am doing "wrong", and indeed I'd love to find out. I've followed the routes shown in other threads, I've even taken time at the end of a run to go around the whole map, to make sure I haven't been persistently missing some groups.

Maybe I generally have bad luck, or maybe there's something about the method I use or the speed I kill the groups. Such things have been suggested many times by various people, although I'm not aware of any absolute proof either way. I get plenty of drops, just too many weapons/armour and not enough scalps/feathers. I can't remember ever getting over 100 feathers from one run. Personally I do believe it is the speed of kills that may be the cause. Common sense tells me that should 7 creatures die all at once, the software has to assign each drop(or none) per kill. How can it do that if all die at the same time? Then again many other threads has debated endlessly on this subject so I hope no one will respond to the above as again no conclusion will be made.

So in order you may want to satisfy yourself, why not slow down your kills and confirm once and for all what you think is the reason?

In another similar thread I did post a few pictures of my Ritualist using VwK build. She too got 160 plus feathers after the run. In fact both ele and rit chars consistently enjoys getting drops of about 20 feathers from 1 or more group kills within a run. This figure is already about 25% of your total drops. See the pics below where the first one shows at least 28 feathers minimum after salvaging the scalps.

Personally I do believe it is the speed of kills that may be the cause. Common sense tells me that should 7 creatures die all at once, the software has to assign each drop(or none) per kill. How can it do that if all die at the same time? Then again many other threads has debated endlessly on this subject so I hope no one will respond to the above as again no conclusion will be made.

So in order you may want to satisfy yourself, why not slow down your kills and confirm once and for all what you think is the reason?
That doesn't make sense to me, because with my current build most of them usually die at the same time, and every now and then every one of them drops feathers or crests. If it was a case of the game not being able to keep up, then it would consistently drop none or very few.

Anyway, I did my attribute point quests and am getting ready to try to capture Double Dragon. Hopefully that will improve my speed.

ok, so I got my run down to about ten minutes. Replaced Fire Storm with Double Dragon, Glyph of Lesser Energy with Fire Attunement, and I added Phoenix. I still have Lava Font on there, but I don't use it. DD, Phoenix, and Inferno kills most of them, then flare for whatever's left over (usually the ones who were standing out of range).

I think the crux of my problem was that I was having to wait for energy to regen. I still have the problem of getting less than 100 feathers per run, though. Maybe I'm just unlucky.


edit to say that I hardly ever get feathers as a drop, the vast majority of my feathers come from feathered crests.

ok, so I got my run down to about ten minutes. I was wondering why people are mentioning 10 minute runs in a number if threads regarding Jaya Bluff feather farm in normal mode. So I took my ranger for a test run through all the 16 or so groups passing every one including the single group on the hill. I missed the 3 groups between the bridge and tunnel because there were too many I aggroed. Nevertheless I survived the run in 6 minutes using birthday cupcakes and running skills. Perhaps more experienced runners can do better but if I had gone another 3 groups I missed my timing will be slower.

Conclusion? Taking 6 minutes away you have 4 minutes(240 seconds) to kill 16 groups and no yetis at all in the computation. That means you need to kill each group in 15 seconds? If anyone says they can do in 10 minutes after exiting Seitung Harbor I would be willing to give that person 100 platinum for proving me wrong. A neutral player should be present to witness the 10 minute run killing all Caromis.

best run i've done is 9 min with a cupcake....i use the r/rt vwk/spirit rift build, and now i easily get 10 min runs w/o cupcakes by using dwarven stability+stormchaser for nearly perma-IMS....I will do a run and actually count the number of mobs to be sure i'm hitting 16 and i'll ss the route/time...then can i have the 100k?? lol Sure you deserve the 100K if you can do the runs consistently in 10 minutes. Once there is someone who is willing to be the neutral observer, we can arrange the date and time to do it. Of course, you need to pick all important drops such as golds, scalps and feathers and not one Sensali is left alive. If you fail then you need to post here that doing the run in 10 minutes is not possible.

Through the help of Xiao Erh, I was able to get with the range of 100 - 120 feathers a run which seems to be the normal rate at which you guys are getting feathers. This is done through using the VwK Echo build in a 15 min run. Seems to work better for me than the channeling build and the spirit spammer build. Posting this just in case anyone else is having the problem with averaging less than 80 feathers per run.

Thanks again for the help Xiao Erh . No trouble at all and I was glad to assist you. One thing I personally observed was your original build although very efficient in instant death to all foes does not yield the same results as when individual foes die at slightly different times. Both you and myself made that observation after the run and you experimented with a different build which slows your run. The results was definitely an improvement and I hope you will revert back to the old build and re-confirm.

I also would like to suggest that you should take a long break after a spell of poor drops. Somehow, I do get better results after the break, and besides doing the same thing over and over again is pretty boring. I trust anyone who dispute this to refrain from responding as this is just a personal opinion. If there is a need to address this, please make a thread about it. Thank you.

One thing I personally observed was your original build although very efficient in instant death to all foes does not yield the same results as when individual foes die at slightly different times. I did some testing on this a while ago ... I compared killing all the Luxon Assassins (from The Halcyon Job) at once (Agro all of them, pull them up one of the stairs from the middle building, Spiteful Spirit, and watch the explosion of numbers) vs one at a time (Agro all of them, kill them with SV and Necrosis)

The test was to see the effect on Event items, but the results were pretty clear ... While event items had the same drop rate, everything else had a much smaller droprate when all the enemies were killed all at once.