Spirit bugginess?

As to the wall/body block, I can have 3-4 necro summoners, and they aren't limited... if ur talking about N/Rt summomning spirits, they do have the same problem, as its a spirit issue not a Ritualist itself issue.

now if ur mentioning minions, they did add a cap of max 10 (possible slightly more with skills and/or cons) where before u could have as many minions as u could keep alive. This was funny in the sense that 'blood of the master', with enough minions, was insta death to a MM and then made what was a small fight at the time now a large 3 way brawl between ur team, the enemy, and a buck load of minions

also the main problem with spirits is they can be 'made' anywhere and like some have said, they could be used to effectivly body block people in pvp and could probably have some serious problems in pve. imagine a rit in Hard Mode that has a quick spammable spirit. now imagine him making 10-20 of em in a fight. don't u think thats a tad overpowered? the reason necros can have 10 minions EACH is simply because they need the bodies. if u can get 30-40 bodies to cater for 3-4 MM necros, then u must be playing factions .

Seriously tho, MM are only as gd as the number of dead creatures in the area so 3-4 MM doesn't equal insta 30-40 minion army. Ritualists require nothing and 3-4 ritualists armed with Pain, vampirism, bloodsong, and any of the other spirits, all being able to be placed down together does make a insta army of 10-15 spirits. So comparing a necro to a rit doesn't work my friend as minions are not spirits.

I hate to say this, but in all the other well-designed MMORPG games I've played, if you tried to replace a higher level *WHATEVER* with a gimped lower level one, it failed to cast. For example, a lot of times, this was same-team griefing...

In this situation, sure, once the 16 channeling 13 spawn spirits are *DEAD*, it makes sense to allow anything to replace them (as they no longer exist). Or if it's the elite 3-spirit signet - spawn those spirits that are *DEAD*. It's just poor game design, *PERIOD*. And this I'm sure isn't the only place it happens in GW, where high level skills are overwritten by crappy ones (enchants/weapon spell/etc).

FWIW, I'm talking casting same-spirits in-range of existing more powerful ones. It's not poor game design, you just don't get how advantageous this is.

For instance, if you take the SoS example, let's say there's 5 seconds left to the current 16 channeling spirits there. You have 10 channeling. Rather then having to wait, and have a break in the damage/Bodyblocking/etc, you can cast it with 5 seconds remaining, not having the skill fail, and not having to wait 20 seconds for it to recharge.

Instead of blaming the game, why not just watch what skills you use when you use them. If you want to call this bad design, you might as well call the max level of 20 bad game design, or the max of 8 skills bad design.

And "Same Team Greifing"? I don't see why someone would do that, there's no benefit to it. I've been playing this game for 3 years now, and I've never been with someone who's purposefully greif'd me. (Idiots who don't know what "Save <Personhere>" means don't really count)

Heroes seem to grasp this concept, and their AI is mocked over and over in this site. Seems pretty simple to me.

For instance, if you take the SoS example, let's say there's 5 seconds left to the current 16 channeling spirits there. You have 10 channeling. Rather then having to wait, and have a break in the damage/Bodyblocking/etc, you can cast it with 5 seconds remaining, not having the skill fail, and not having to wait 20 seconds for it to recharge. Interesting argument, except for the fact that the 16 channeling 13 spawning rit will most definitely have SoS recharged, as it takes 20 seconds, and the 3 spirits last 60.

FWIW, more unusual behavior today. I cast my spirits, move about 1.2 aggro radii away, then recast [vampirism][bloodsong] as they became available (MOBs were 1.5 aggro radii away). They both appeared by me, but with health bars of like 15% and 30%. WTF?

I suspect a queuing issue with server-side command processing, and could see how just as I cast each spirit, the old ones 1.2 radii away just got attacked, so the game applied the new health value after damage to my new ones (thus resetting their health ultra low). This didn't happen very often, but 2 different times I noticed it in about 30 minutes gameplay.

It might also be related to the old spirits 1.2 aggro radii away attacking just as the new spirits were created, so their projectiles were still in-transit to the MOB - and the lifesteal applied to old spirit life was overwritten on the new spirits...

FWIW, it's amazing how many GW boot-lickers there are, who apparently don't want to reason, but merely blindly assert that things ARE THE WAY THEY ARE, so I must be retarded to have not noticed this yet ('sif I didn't know - LOL I pointed it out). Fine, I've pointed this fact out previously in other critiques of gameplay issues that are illogical and inconsistent with expectations.

What I said applies to any spirits, it wasn't meant to be taken literally. Yep, but of all the spirits I use (6), SoS has the shortest life span. It also costs 0 energy (so can't argue rit is OOM). The 3 other spirits I use have 30 second recasts, but last 100 seconds or much longer...

Arguing that GW1 is dead is not valid. They still fix bugs - hell, they're adding new content almost monthly, as well as new skill descriptions.

I can read - but telling me I'd a retard for not watching spirits in the field before I cast a lesser spirit is kinda nonsensical, as I did a quick 5 minute experiment and noticed the "overcast others with lesser attributes" issue. As I mentioned in the initial post, this 5 minute experiment let me know NOT to dupe spirit skills.

FWIW, again I noticed the low health spirit spawn BUG (recasting [vampirism][bloodsong] 1.2 aggro radii away from old spirits). I can't be the only one to have noticed this alternate issue?

EDIT: If a skill fails as you suggest (trying to apply over more powerful buff/hex/condition), it obviously shouldn't recharge. That seems like a bug too (I assume you agree, given your EXCLAMATION!). It should act like [lightbringer's gaze] does, when you try to cast it on a non-abaddon minion (and not cost any mana either)...