am i required to pay?

its bad to sin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

probably behind you

Mercenaries Of Grenth [MoG]

P/W

i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters. his final time was 20 minutes and 11 seconds (masters is under 20mins) yet he still demanded the money i have screen shots where he says 100% masters guarenteed and a screen shot of the final time at 20:11 he then goes to tell me that he has reported me for scamming. only question i have is can i get any type of bann for not paying when he did not do what he said.

yes it was NM i should have known he would fail when one of his heros was a mez that had avatar of balthazar (10seconds) but i thought maybe he had some leet way of running it =D.

Unholy Tank V

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Mo/

You can not get banned for this, the man explicitly said 100% Guaranteed Masters and he did not deliver. You have no reason to worry about getting banned, the guy is making empty threats.

Pony Slaystation

Pony Slaystation

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Cardboard Box

Guilds are irrelevant. This... is...... BUILD WARS!!!

Rt/

Personally, I don't think you could get banned for this, because after all, the runner guarenteed that you would get master'. If you do get banned, however, be sure to contact support, since you are not at fault.

Raudic

Raudic

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

W/

i wouldnt pay. hes the scammer in that situation

xron

xron

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Feb 2008

Denbigh, Wales

Zero Zero

R/

Anet may not know/see/realise that he stated 100% guaranteed masters so you may be banned imo.

However as long as you contact support and show them the screenshots it'll be rescinded.

Kerwyn Nasilan

Kerwyn Nasilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2007

WHERE DO YOU THINK

W/

You cannot get banned on runs, period. ANet has explicitly said that runs are unsupported and you run/be runned at your own risk.

lompos

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Mar 2006

AA (Archers Anonymous)

Mo/W

i agree with Kerwyn. Also Anet doesn't get between 2 players, who have a problem between them.

its bad to sin

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2009

probably behind you

Mercenaries Of Grenth [MoG]

P/W

k thank you very much for your responses

Killamus

Guest

Join Date: Oct 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerwyn Nasilan View Post
You cannot get banned on runs, period. ANet has explicitly said that runs are unsupported and you run/be runned at your own risk.
Are you sure? I think someone released that they would support runs, at least in the scamming portion of it. I believe it was on Gailie's or Reginia's blog somewhere.

citizensmith1001

citizensmith1001

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Sep 2008

Behind You

[RoaR]

D/

If i was you i would keep a SS of him saying 100% guarantee masters and a SS of him saying he would report you and also maybe a SS of the game map showing you don't have masters on that particular mission . If you do happen to get banned you should be unbanned fairly quick if you show them that kind of proof.

makosi

makosi

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

"Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff.

Requirement Begins With R [notQ]

Me/

It was one of those 'gentlemens' agreements' which, unlike conventional trade-window trades, require an element of faith in either party. I don't believe Anet frequently police such disputes but I have heard of incidences where people have been banned for 'bad intentions' in dungeon runs and the likes. Most likely due to blatantly obvious leeching or stealing.

If, in the unlikely event of a ban on your account, then you have the screenshots of the deal being offered and not being carried out successfully to which I'm sure they'll unban pretty fast.

Highlander Of Alba

Highlander Of Alba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2007

Real Rogue Clan

Rt/Mo

Will agree you wont get a ban ,, as technically just an agreement between you and the party....runs dont qualify for a ban

If he did then he has screenshots as you dont know what they guy said if he raised a ticket..

Would not worry about it

Sparkmaster25

Sparkmaster25

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2008

Sins Reloaded

P/W

I know this is Irrelevant But was this in Normal mode because 20 minutes on that mission in Normal Mode is laughable.

Sookie

Sookie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2008

NoCenTex

[AKA] Guild Leader

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by its bad to sin View Post
i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters. his final time was 20 minutes and 11 seconds (masters is under 20mins) yet he still demanded the money i have screen shots where he says 100% masters guarenteed and a screen shot of the final time at 20:11 he then goes to tell me that he has reported me for scamming. only question i have is can i get any type of bann for not paying when he did not do what he said.
Keep the screens just in case he goes to support with a good lie, although Support does have the ability to check the time and date on all occurrences in the game logs.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Quote:
Originally Posted by its bad to sin View Post
i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters. his final time was 20 minutes and 11 seconds (masters is under 20mins) yet he still demanded the money i have screen shots where he says 100% masters guarenteed and a screen shot of the final time at 20:11 he then goes to tell me that he has reported me for scamming. only question i have is can i get any type of bann for not paying when he did not do what he said.

yes it was NM i should have known he would fail when one of his heros was a mez that had avatar of balthazar (10seconds) but i thought maybe he had some leet way of running it =D.
You can't be banned for that. Besides you have a screenshot that you could send as an appeal if you do get suspended or banned.

Need More Donuts

Banned

Join Date: Aug 2008

D/W

He specifically stated a guranteed time and didn't achieve it why would you pay for a service you did not truly receive...
As long as you have screenshots you should be fine
good thinking

mathiastemplar

mathiastemplar

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2008

Denmark

Jade Reapers [JD]

W/

Like every1 else said, he stated that it was 100%.
you won't get banned for this, as it's not scamming because he failed.

glhf

majikmajikmajik

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

SATown~Tx

Guild Hopper!

R/

Its a false report, you obviously didnt do anything wrong and it takes ALOT of reports to get even a temp ban so dont worry.

Quaker

Quaker

Hell's Protector

Join Date: Aug 2005

Canada

Brothers Disgruntled

Quote:
Originally Posted by its bad to sin View Post
i was getting a run for the zen daijun mission and he said 100% guarenteeed masters.
But, did he say "guaranteed, or it's free"? Or "Moneyback guaranteed"? If he didn't say what the penalty was for failing to get masters, it won't hold up in a court of law.

Just teasing (tho true) - don't pay him and don't worry about a ban.

Dzjudz

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jun 2005

gwpvx.com/user:dzjudz

Quote:
Originally Posted by xron View Post
Anet may not know/see/realise that he stated 100% guaranteed masters so you may be banned imo.
Chat log?....

pamelf

pamelf

Forge Runner

Join Date: Aug 2006

Australia

Lost Templars [LoTe]

Me/Mo

Runs are not part of the game mechanic. It's a player agreement, and therefore a completely unbannable offence.

Awex Mafyews

Awex Mafyews

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2008

Cornwall

W/Mo

If anything I think that guy should be banned for not being able to do zen daijun on NM with heroes....

But no, you shouldn't get banned for that. He clearly stated 100% guaranteed, he didn't deliver therefore you shouldn't pay.