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Evasion Twenty

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

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Balthazars Chosen [BC]

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11 Aug 2009 at 00:31 - 1

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Why is it that some Necromancer Skills effect Monks, and Monk skills affect Necromancers?

Rend enchantments is an example

Quote:

Removal cost: you lose 55...31...25 Health for each Monk enchantment removed.

Why not Elementalists affecting Warriors, or something?

I understand those 2 are the exact opposites...but no other professions are effected by any other skill.

Is there a reason for this?

Quote:

Convert Hexes Spell. Removes all hexes; +10 armor for each Necromancer hex removed (8...18...20 seconds). Cannot self-target.

Convert Hexes^

Eskimoz

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2009

My house

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11 Aug 2009 at 00:39 - 2

Probably because Monks and Necromancers are opposites.

Necro = Death

monk = Life

Evasion Twenty

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

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Balthazars Chosen [BC]

R/P

11 Aug 2009 at 01:03 - 3

Dervishes are holy too, why make it so it doesnt affect Necromancers?

Rangers are less proper, and Mesmers are more fancy-like.

Paragons Shout, and Assassins sneak.

Ritualists connect with the dead aswell, so why are they more different than Necromancers?

afmart

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2008

W/

11 Aug 2009 at 01:03 - 4

its more like
most necros serve grenth and most monks serve dwana and these 2 are not to found of each other, that doesnt mean they cant work well

Plazma Knight

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2005

Nerf Wammo Plz[WaMo] Team Arena Top Guild

11 Aug 2009 at 01:04 - 5

because maybe anet try to make this game balance?

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

11 Aug 2009 at 01:35 - 6

Does it really matter? 15e cast and 10sec rc, Convert Hexes isnt a top choice for a hex remover for monks. Sometimes things just the way it is, you ask why, but no one knows really, and for that matter, no one cares, either.

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

11 Aug 2009 at 01:52 - 7

cause monks have most and most beneficial enchant spells
and necros have the most and most beneficial long-lasting hexes

it's got nothing to do with the concept of the class, so quit theory crafting and go back to lyssa's, it's just the balance, although lately i can't entirely blame you for forgetting that.

_Nihilist_

Will Bull's Strike for $!

Join Date: Apr 2006

Isle of the Dead

11 Aug 2009 at 02:21 - 8

Aren't most of the Monk/Necro affecting spells (Rend/Convert) Core or Proph skills? If that's the case, it could be something ANet was going to tinker with, then as the game grew and evolved, it phased out of the other Campaigns/EotN.

subarucar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

New Zealand

None

11 Aug 2009 at 03:16 - 9

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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong

Aren't most of the Monk/Necro affecting spells (Rend/Convert) Core or Proph skills? If that's the case, it could be something ANet was going to tinker with, then as the game grew and evolved, it phased out of the other Campaigns/EotN.

I agree with Tyrael here, A-net obviosly decided it wasnt a good mehcanic, and got rid of it after proph.

Ugh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2009

R/

11 Aug 2009 at 03:34 - 10

Rangers resist elements. Elementalists master them.
Rangers have rupts and additional elemental armor. Depending on the element, eles have degen, snares/hexes, armor penetration, or defense.

Warriors are strong. Mesmers are clever.
Warriors have damage, knockdowns, or conditions. Mesmers have snares and anti-melee.

Assassins are sneaky loners. Paragons are screaming leaders.
Assassins have damage and shadowsteps to spike a foe. Paragons are stronger with more allies and have party-supporting skills to help them.

Dervishes connect with life and holy stuff. Ritualists call on the dead for their spells.
Dervishes can do high damage to multiple targets. Rits can heal and spread out their spirits to avoid AoE.

Eskimoz

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2009

My house

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11 Aug 2009 at 03:59 - 11

Maybe they just want to keep things simple.

HawkofStorms

Hall Hero

Join Date: Aug 2005

E/

11 Aug 2009 at 05:49 - 12

I think its a holdover from traditional RPGs. Just like how smiting damage deals double damage to minions, and necros have that armor set that is vunerable to holy damage.
Necromancy/Undead in most RPGs (DnD, etc) are vulnerable to holy damage.

Marty Silverblade

Administrator

Join Date: Jun 2006

11 Aug 2009 at 08:34 - 13

The thinking was probably the whole light/dark are opposing forces sort of thing. Not just an opposition of styles like para/sin or mes/ranger as suggested earlier.

I agree that it's a bad mechanic though, I don't think biasing certain professions against each other is a good idea (could possibly get gimmicky also).

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

Me/

11 Aug 2009 at 13:08 - 14

Quote:

Dervishes are holy too, why make it so it doesnt affect Necromancers?

Dervishes weren't one of the core classes like Necros and Monks. As Hawk said, it's a holdover from a time when ANet tried to craft some story or interplay between the classes.

imnotyourmother

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2008

in a house

The Knitters Guild

W/R

11 Aug 2009 at 14:07 - 15

Right the story and interplay has all but vanished and they seem to nerf things that are working well for pVp'rs. I do find that I use my WAR/Necro to effect my foes in the opposite way, I will crack their armor, Asuran Scan them and then pound the crud out of them with some strength skills.

So in a way there are skills that you can combine from one class to another.

back to your point. In order to make the game balanced as you suggest then they would need to spend more time in the development of the game. lets just call GW a fluke and spend the time needed for the story line on GW2 to build on GW success.

All in Fav... eye!!

Evasion Twenty

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

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Balthazars Chosen [BC]

R/P

11 Aug 2009 at 16:40 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by subarucar

I agree with Tyrael here, A-net obviosly decided it wasnt a good mehcanic, and got rid of it after proph.

Why not change the skills now? It's been a "bad mechanic" for how long now?

Ugh

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jun 2009

R/

11 Aug 2009 at 16:45 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evasion Twenty

Why not change the skills now? It's been a "bad mechanic" for how long now?

I wouldn't want my skills to only be half as effective against certain professions. Plus, classes already have counters to other classes without having to make skills gimmicky.

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

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Me/

11 Aug 2009 at 17:02 - 18

Quote:

Why not change the skills now?

The same argument can be made for leaving them alone as well. There's nothing wrong with them really, so why bother with them?

Fate Crusher

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2006

Pie-land

Warlords Of The Underworld [WoTU]

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12 Aug 2009 at 01:05 - 19

It was not long ago that in HA Ritualists would bring Convert Hexes in order to "save" monks and Ghostly Heroes from the rediculous spam of Necro hexes.

It is simply that necro hexes are the longest lasting and highest pressure of the hexes. Lingering and Suffering combo was rediculous.

It is the same for monk enchantments. if you have a target with Aura of Stability, Guardian, Prot Spirit, Soa, Guardian, Spirit Bond (these are all pre prot enchantments that can upset spikes) you would need a strip enchantment would get all of them, if they are overlapping. Rend is a skill that help cleaning a target before a spike.

I have to keep saying this, but no matter what type of lore you try and add into the reasoning for skills, all the "original" skills and ballance were designed for PvP. PvE was only an after thought and Anet didn't start caring about PvE until Nightfall.

Evasion Twenty

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

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12 Aug 2009 at 02:57 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fate Crusher

I have to keep saying this, but no matter what type of lore you try and add into the reasoning for skills, all the "original" skills and ballance were designed for PvP. PvE was only an after thought and Anet didn't start caring about PvE until Nightfall.

I lol'd.

You're right, they do have long-lasting enchantments, and hexes aswell. But, (not argueing here, just proving a point), Dervishes have a lot of enchantments, and are mostly enchantments. Mesmers have a lot of hexes aswell, and some last for a long time.

To Kat: You're correct, it wouldn't matter much.