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Evasion Twenty
Evasion Twenty
Lion's Arch Merchant
#1
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Why is it that some Necromancer Skills effect Monks, and Monk skills affect Necromancers?

Rend enchantments is an example
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Removal cost: you lose 55...31...25 Health for each Monk enchantment removed.
Why not Elementalists affecting Warriors, or something?

I understand those 2 are the exact opposites...but no other professions are effected by any other skill.

Is there a reason for this?

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Convert Hexes Spell. Removes all hexes; +10 armor for each Necromancer hex removed (8...18...20 seconds). Cannot self-target.
Convert Hexes^
Eskimoz
Eskimoz
Academy Page
#2
Probably because Monks and Necromancers are opposites.

Necro = Death

monk = Life

Evasion Twenty
Evasion Twenty
Lion's Arch Merchant
#3
Dervishes are holy too, why make it so it doesnt affect Necromancers?

Rangers are less proper, and Mesmers are more fancy-like.

Paragons Shout, and Assassins sneak.

Ritualists connect with the dead aswell, so why are they more different than Necromancers?
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afmart
Academy Page
#4
its more like
most necros serve grenth and most monks serve dwana and these 2 are not to found of each other, that doesnt mean they cant work well
Plazma Knight
Plazma Knight
Wilds Pathfinder
#5
because maybe anet try to make this game balance?
AKB48
AKB48
Jungle Guide
#6
Does it really matter? 15e cast and 10sec rc, Convert Hexes isnt a top choice for a hex remover for monks. Sometimes things just the way it is, you ask why, but no one knows really, and for that matter, no one cares, either.
Gift3d
Gift3d
Forge Runner
#7
cause monks have most and most beneficial enchant spells
and necros have the most and most beneficial long-lasting hexes

it's got nothing to do with the concept of the class, so quit theory crafting and go back to lyssa's, it's just the balance, although lately i can't entirely blame you for forgetting that.
_Nihilist_
_Nihilist_
Will Bull's Strike for $!
#8
Aren't most of the Monk/Necro affecting spells (Rend/Convert) Core or Proph skills? If that's the case, it could be something ANet was going to tinker with, then as the game grew and evolved, it phased out of the other Campaigns/EotN.
subarucar
subarucar
Desert Nomad
#9
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Originally Posted by Tyrael_Eveningsong View Post
Aren't most of the Monk/Necro affecting spells (Rend/Convert) Core or Proph skills? If that's the case, it could be something ANet was going to tinker with, then as the game grew and evolved, it phased out of the other Campaigns/EotN.
I agree with Tyrael here, A-net obviosly decided it wasnt a good mehcanic, and got rid of it after proph.
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Krytan Explorer
#10
Rangers resist elements. Elementalists master them.
Rangers have rupts and additional elemental armor. Depending on the element, eles have degen, snares/hexes, armor penetration, or defense.

Warriors are strong. Mesmers are clever.
Warriors have damage, knockdowns, or conditions. Mesmers have snares and anti-melee.

Assassins are sneaky loners. Paragons are screaming leaders.
Assassins have damage and shadowsteps to spike a foe. Paragons are stronger with more allies and have party-supporting skills to help them.

Dervishes connect with life and holy stuff. Ritualists call on the dead for their spells.
Dervishes can do high damage to multiple targets. Rits can heal and spread out their spirits to avoid AoE.
Eskimoz
Eskimoz
Academy Page
#11
Maybe they just want to keep things simple.
HawkofStorms
HawkofStorms
Hall Hero
#12
I think its a holdover from traditional RPGs. Just like how smiting damage deals double damage to minions, and necros have that armor set that is vunerable to holy damage.
Necromancy/Undead in most RPGs (DnD, etc) are vulnerable to holy damage.
Marty Silverblade
Marty Silverblade
Administrator
#13
The thinking was probably the whole light/dark are opposing forces sort of thing. Not just an opposition of styles like para/sin or mes/ranger as suggested earlier.

I agree that it's a bad mechanic though, I don't think biasing certain professions against each other is a good idea (could possibly get gimmicky also).
Kattar
Kattar
EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING
#14
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Dervishes are holy too, why make it so it doesnt affect Necromancers?
Dervishes weren't one of the core classes like Necros and Monks. As Hawk said, it's a holdover from a time when ANet tried to craft some story or interplay between the classes.
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imnotyourmother
Desert Nomad
#15
Right the story and interplay has all but vanished and they seem to nerf things that are working well for pVp'rs. I do find that I use my WAR/Necro to effect my foes in the opposite way, I will crack their armor, Asuran Scan them and then pound the crud out of them with some strength skills.

So in a way there are skills that you can combine from one class to another.

back to your point. In order to make the game balanced as you suggest then they would need to spend more time in the development of the game. lets just call GW a fluke and spend the time needed for the story line on GW2 to build on GW success.

All in Fav... eye!!
Evasion Twenty
Evasion Twenty
Lion's Arch Merchant
#16
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Originally Posted by subarucar View Post
I agree with Tyrael here, A-net obviosly decided it wasnt a good mehcanic, and got rid of it after proph.
Why not change the skills now? It's been a "bad mechanic" for how long now?
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Krytan Explorer
#17
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Originally Posted by Evasion Twenty View Post
Why not change the skills now? It's been a "bad mechanic" for how long now?
I wouldn't want my skills to only be half as effective against certain professions. Plus, classes already have counters to other classes without having to make skills gimmicky.
Kattar
Kattar
EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING
#18
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Why not change the skills now?
The same argument can be made for leaving them alone as well. There's nothing wrong with them really, so why bother with them?
Fate Crusher
Fate Crusher
Wilds Pathfinder
#19
It was not long ago that in HA Ritualists would bring Convert Hexes in order to "save" monks and Ghostly Heroes from the rediculous spam of Necro hexes.

It is simply that necro hexes are the longest lasting and highest pressure of the hexes. Lingering and Suffering combo was rediculous.

It is the same for monk enchantments. if you have a target with Aura of Stability, Guardian, Prot Spirit, Soa, Guardian, Spirit Bond (these are all pre prot enchantments that can upset spikes) you would need a strip enchantment would get all of them, if they are overlapping. Rend is a skill that help cleaning a target before a spike.

I have to keep saying this, but no matter what type of lore you try and add into the reasoning for skills, all the "original" skills and ballance were designed for PvP. PvE was only an after thought and Anet didn't start caring about PvE until Nightfall.
Evasion Twenty
Evasion Twenty
Lion's Arch Merchant
#20
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Originally Posted by Fate Crusher View Post
I have to keep saying this, but no matter what type of lore you try and add into the reasoning for skills, all the "original" skills and ballance were designed for PvP. PvE was only an after thought and Anet didn't start caring about PvE until Nightfall.
I lol'd.

You're right, they do have long-lasting enchantments, and hexes aswell. But, (not argueing here, just proving a point), Dervishes have a lot of enchantments, and are mostly enchantments. Mesmers have a lot of hexes aswell, and some last for a long time.

To Kat: You're correct, it wouldn't matter much.