FA: Taking down Kurz Jugg

brainlizard

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25 Aug 2009 at 17:36 - 1

Does anyone know the stats for the Kurz Jugg in FA? Some matches, my team can't seem to bring him down, others, he drops like a fly. I'd thought it must be other teams using bonds on him, so I brought heavy ench hate (corrupt ench, rip ench, etc...), and it hasn't really changed much, even though I can pretty much guarantee he doesn't have any enchants on him.

I don't often see heals/weapons either (though if xinrae's is being used, it's generally bad, bad news for us). What am I missing? Is the bugger uber resilient to certain types of damage? Or is he being protted by spirits (thus no ench to remove)? What's the dirty secret I'm missing

I'm tempted to ditch the necro/mesmer builds I love so much for bonder builds to prot the turtles...

Thanks for any info!

Lux Aeterna

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25 Aug 2009 at 19:12 - 2

Juggs are warrior class, so you need elemental damage. Deep wound helps as well, I can take Juggs down quite fast on my sin using an abbreviated attack chain minus KDs and plus deep wound. Especially on JQ, sins can kill juggs in under 10 seconds, but they're much tougher in FA.

Basically, it's going to come down to whether your team has reliable sources of damage vs. the enemy team's healers.

God_Hand

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25 Aug 2009 at 19:23 - 3

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Originally Posted by Lux Aeterna

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Basically, it's going to come down to whether your team has reliable sources of damage vs. the enemy team's healers. Kurzicks bring healers into FA? Since when?

On topic: Degen is nice. Other than that, try to go for armor-ignoring damage. If the Kurzicks (by some miracle) have healers, you'll need to take them down first before you target the Juggernaut.

Reverend Dr

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25 Aug 2009 at 20:33 - 4

Originally Posted by God_Hand

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Kurzicks bring healers into FA? Since when? Don't you know that FA is completely one sided against the kurzicks and that this incredibly imbalance has nothing to do with their own play choices its the game and the siege turtles and something other than me.

Lux Aeterna

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25 Aug 2009 at 21:52 - 5

Originally Posted by God_Hand

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Kurzicks bring healers into FA? Since when? Typically when I play FA I end up blowing up several WoH monks per match, actually.

Omgopolis

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25 Aug 2009 at 22:14 - 6

The juggernaut tends to go down pretty fast unless there are prots or woh spam flying around. I've had a bit of fun using a fragility mesmer with Illusion of Pain. It wipes out the juggernaut pretty quickly if he isn't being protted, and you can slot in some enchant removal if prots are an issue.

Yesterday I ran a touch ranger for kicks, and it's pretty decent for FA. You can tank like 4 assassins while you slowly vamp touch gunther or the keepers to death, and it's super easy. The juggernaut is a bit more annoying with the long k/d skill, but the only way you'll die is if you're taking tons of dmg and whirling defense drops. Plus the touch stuff goes right through prots like SoA that usually prevent important npcs from dying if a monk is around.

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26 Aug 2009 at 01:22 - 7

Originally Posted by God_Hand

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If the Kurzicks have healers, you'll need to take them down first before you target the Juggernaut. This is the reason for at least 75% of the losses on the Luxon side. People start spamming how you have to kill Gunther or the Juggernaut, and how everyone should jump in, while the monks and rits just happily do their stuff.

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26 Aug 2009 at 07:21 - 8

^ Here's the problem, killing of healers only worked if the fight is not in the innermost courtyard of Gunther. Else, they will just insta res with full energy ready to jump in the battle again. Your best counter is to have a necromancer to soul bind/LC the NPCs, or a mesmer/ranger to interrupt them but the odds of having at least 1 of these people performing to the expectations is rare.

Reverend Dr

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26 Aug 2009 at 07:33 - 9

Defending works better when you have more healers/defensive characters? Who thought!

Most people don't want to play defensive characters, especially when you know that you cannot rely upon the rest of your team, as such Kurzicks lose often because they have nothing but offensive characters and can't figure out how to stop the assault.

Change JQ/FA to AB-styled three groups of 4-man teams. Would do wonders for the formats.

Bobby2

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26 Aug 2009 at 13:48 - 10

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

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Change JQ/FA to AB-styled three groups of 4-man teams. Would do wonders for the formats. Or sync.

brainlizard

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26 Aug 2009 at 17:05 - 11

I've been wondering about Gunther's area as well. Kurz had 3 healers continuously spawning and keeping him up. They went from ~60% to 100% complete while we were hammering on Gunther. We tried suppressing the healers, but no luck. I'll have to give LC a shot, though it will sadden me to lose Corrupt Enchantment.

Shadow Slave

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26 Aug 2009 at 18:48 - 12

I used to run the old Lingering Curse in FA all the time...

*sigh* Man...those were the days....It's like it were made for that format.

(+1 for organised FA)

Elephantaliste

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26 Aug 2009 at 19:25 - 13

Use Soul bind or scourge healing.
It pawns MM aswell if they use BoTM.