Farming for Dwarven/Norn/Asuran/Vanguard points

I have several questions about farming for those points.

I know about abusing the quest Path of revelations quest for farming norn points. I assume that people farm raptors for asuran points. But out of the 4 ways, which is the hardest to farm? How do people farm for vanguard and dwarven points? Thanks.

I noticed that in Rata Sum that there are always 'leechers' and 'farmers' who farm for asuran points. What is the build for 'leechers' and 'farmers.' I know that it is a noobish question. Thanks.

The only one I've done is Asuran and the easiest way to get those points is to kill the swarms of Quetzal outside Tarnished Haven in Alcazia Tangle. I doubled my Asura rank this week just by farming for crests for nicholas. They're ridiculously easy to kill with a ss necro or 330 elementalist. (Or you could even go easier and use a perma sin if you really want.) Just be sure to bring a couple of heroes along with you, including Dunkoro or Ogden, because the Quetzal Darks can strip your enchantments off, leaving you vulnerable.

Even if you don't have a special build and just go in with a nuker, you can clear the quetzal out relatively quickly with a full party.

You can farm Dwarven points (assuming thats Deldrimor) by doing the Secret Lair of the Snowmen. Rather easy really, like a 10-15 minute run through.

Vanguard has been the hardest, historically, and Deldrimor the easiest.

I say "historically" because vanquishing makes them all simple - if that gets boring, then speedbooking is the way to go.

Leechers don't have a build - they're just in the team and stand safely out of the way doing nothing while the solo farmer gains them Asuran points. The farmers do it under the mistaken belief that it increases drops (some do it because they just like the companionship.) Leechers do it because they can.

I'd say do hardmode books.. you get 30k a book and takes about a day to get 1 full.. well I can get 2 full but idk... thats 60k/day.. thats a lot of points

Speedbooks are more fun:
3 minutes for against the charr
5 minutes for nornbear (with 3 runners), or 10 minutes (with 1 runner)
1 minute for a time for heroes

Add in 2 minutes for zoning
That's 3k points for 11 minutes of work. Doesn't sound like much, but let's say you do... 20 of them at a time. I went from R8 vanguard to R10 vanguard in about 3 hours by just doing speedbooks.

Oh, and if you see my sanity anywhere, please return it. I seem to have lost it somewhere on the route to R10 vanguard...

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:A/any_GW:EN_Speedbooker

That's a link to the speedbooking builds I posted on PvX.

also a good way to start collecting candy canes for dp removal

you can have people run cof or soo or some shit out of doomlore if you want, you'll pay money but you dont do much and you get an end chest. but speedbooking is the way to go imo if you've already beaten the game you can finish a hm book in like 5 hours

Thanks. That's what I thought, vanguard is pretty hard... Maybe I'll do some leeching in rata sum.

I've been doing Snowman lair for the Deldrimor, that's going by pretty fast. Going to donate books for Vanguard since their isn't much to farm for that one. Norn I just might keep doing the path quest, Asuran I'll probably do the books.

Nornbear only takes 5 minutes with 1 runner, Discordway heroes, and Fire, prot, interrupt, and illusion henchies. I got my time down to 4 minutes with dual Discordway. Maybe you are killing the nornbears? (You only have to kill the one at the end, just run away from the other 2 spawns and go to the next one.)

People are always looking for W/N Farmer's in Rata Sum, what's the build for these W/N's? Thanks.