Hello,
After all the issues I had with the 9800gx2 cards (I was using Quad SLI, one is on RMA and the other one, I am planning to sell it) I want to upgrade my system.
First of all a Video Card, must I stay with nvidia ? what about the EVGA GeForce GTX 295 CO-OP FTW ? or should I go with ATI this time ?
Also I am planning to buy the thermaltake case SwordM with liquid cooling, so I will be able to overclock my CPU ^^ and try to avoid the cpu bottleneck and use the video card at it's full capacity, if I can of course. It is good this case for what I want to do ? is the liquid cooling good on this case ?
By the way here is my current setup:
CPU:Q6600 G0 2.4ghz (no oc)
Mobo: XFX 790i ultra
Mem: Corsair TW3X4G1600C9DHX 4096 MB, PC3-12800, 1600 MHz, 9, Non-ECC, Kit Of 2
CPU cooler: Xigmatek HDT-S1283
Video: Club3D GeForce 9800 GX2 1024 MB
PSU: Thermaltake Thoughpower 1200W Cable Management
OS: Windows Vista Ultimate x64 + SP2
Mon: 22-inch Samsung 226bw
Note: I like GW a lot , and I am planning to get GW2 for sure ^^ , starcraft 2 and diablo 3, but I also play this games;
-UT3
-Crysis
-Red Alert 3
-Street fighter IV
So , I would like of course a video card that is able to run crysis at all max including AA , I also have a samsung 52-inch TV and sometimes I play on it too.
Thank you.
Planning to upgrade some hardware
malevolence
Elder III
the case you are referring to is overkill and the size of a small car, so unless you really need to wheel that thing around you could save some cash ($200-300) and get a "normal" sized full tower. Thermaltake's Armor series is great stuff and offers liquid cooling as well on select models. For video cards you might want to wait 2 weeks or so for the new releases from ATI - they are reportedly awesome and will blow anything currently on the market out of the water - in any case prices across the board will fall after the new ones come out.
malevolence
cool , and yeah , I want the swordm , because I have the thermaltake shark case , and is too small , I mean , for cable management , airflow etc. I will take a look to the Armor series.
Nice to know about the ati releases, I am planning to buy all this for november 1st , so I believe new releases will be out at that time.
Thanks for your answer.
Nice to know about the ati releases, I am planning to buy all this for november 1st , so I believe new releases will be out at that time.
Thanks for your answer.
malevolence
I have read a review of the SWORDM , and they said the stock water cooling that comes with the case is not good at all, has somebody here at guru with a SWORDM experienced this ? probably the reviewer was unlucky and got a faulty pump.
This time I want to go water cooling + a good full tower with lot of space for my hardware, what do you recommend ?
This time I want to go water cooling + a good full tower with lot of space for my hardware, what do you recommend ?
![Ec]-[oMaN](/static/static/../Img/avatar8384_2.gif){kind=avatar}
Ec]-[oMaN
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I have read a review of the SWORDM , and they said the stock water cooling that comes with the case is not good at all, has somebody here at guru with a SWORDM experienced this ? probably the reviewer was unlucky and got a faulty pump.
This time I want to go water cooling + a good full tower with lot of space for my hardware, what do you recommend ? |
This is probably one of the best cases around for under 125$. Completely tooless, lots of potential for airflow, simple sleek, no weird or fancy front panel, and not to mention ALL BLACK. It's made by the same guys that are known by making Lian-Li cases.
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...se-review.html
Regarding watercooling and not knowing price range there are pretty much 2 self contained cpu water coolers on the market, for around 90-100$, those are....
CoolIT Domino A.L.C
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...er-review.html
Corsair Hydro Series H50
http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=939
Now if you want better watercooling than those basic kits look to spend up wards of 200+ and you can mix and match whatever pump, radiator, tubing, waterblocks. Running dual rad setups become much harder on where you can mount them, or have the room to put them inside a case. If you wish to venture into dual rad or triple rad setups finding a compatible case becomes much harder and costly.
Edit: as it seems I never really read your first post just skimming and read the remaining posts you have some cash
. You could go with the sword m case although I'd pick up a seperate set of watercooling parts not the ones that come with the case. Find a better kit, or mix and match whatever parts.http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=52032
malevolence
Thanks Ec]-[oMaN , that is a nice case but is the interior is not big enough I think , I like the SwordM interior because is huge , but there is a version of the SwordM without water cooling , and the price is like 50ish euros less, so maybe you got a good point here, buying the SwordM (only case), and a separate water cooling. And yes , I want to use the water cooling mainly for the CPU , so I can overclock it and avoid cpu/gpu bottlenecks. But if I can connect the water cooling to my GPU is even better
Ec]-[oMaN
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Thanks Ec]-[oMaN , that is a nice case but is the interior is not big enough I think , I like the SwordM interior because is huge , but there is a version of the SwordM without water cooling , and the price is like 50ish euros less, so maybe you got a good point here, buying the SwordM (only case), and a separate water cooling. And yes , I want to use the water cooling mainly for the CPU , so I can overclock it and avoid cpu/gpu bottlenecks. But if I can connect the water cooling to my GPU is even better
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http://www.swiftnets.com/
http://www.xoxide.com/watcoolkit.html
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catal...b7727b558a2ad2
http://www.koolance.com/
malevolence
Did ATI released new video cards ? I am asking this because I sent my 9800gx2 for RMA , but the company doesn't produce it anymore and it is damaged , they send me two solution:
1-Wait for about 6 weeks to fix the 9800gx2 that is damaged
or
2-THey can give me a credit of €143,77 and I can buy another graphic card
So I was thinking to get a new graphic card , but I don't know what to take , as I said I want a graphic card capable of running highend games like crysis to all max with AA on on my 22inch monitor or/and my 52inch TV.
EDIT: On of the best options I see on the company website is a EVGA GeForce GTX 295 CO-OP FTW 1792 MB , is it good ?
Can someone advice ?
Thank you.
1-Wait for about 6 weeks to fix the 9800gx2 that is damaged
or
2-THey can give me a credit of €143,77 and I can buy another graphic card
So I was thinking to get a new graphic card , but I don't know what to take , as I said I want a graphic card capable of running highend games like crysis to all max with AA on on my 22inch monitor or/and my 52inch TV.
EDIT: On of the best options I see on the company website is a EVGA GeForce GTX 295 CO-OP FTW 1792 MB , is it good ?
Can someone advice ?
Thank you.
Elder III
That GPU (GTX 295) is the most powerful single slot video card on the market right now. You could do anything you want with it. However the ATI cards are due out soon (2 weeks???) and they will drive prices downward for sure, not to mention being incredibly powerful themselves.
However the ATI cards are due out soon (2 weeks???) and they will drive prices downward for sure, not to mention being incredibly powerful themselves.
malevolence
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That GPU (GTX 295) is the most powerful single slot video card on the market right now. You could do anything you want with it.
However the ATI cards are due out soon (2 weeks???) and they will drive prices downward for sure, not to mention being incredibly powerful themselves. |
, so I guess I will wait for the new babies
Ec]-[oMaN
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cool , I just called the company and they can hold the credit for 3 months
, so I guess I will wait for the new babies |
Still based on leaks thus far a gtx 295 here costs like 600$ and if the 5870 can match it the better buy would be the ATI card at about probably 450$cad. Either way with the new cards comes lower prices on older tech, or in the case with Nvidia especially in Canada we won't see price drops until xmas and those cards can continue to collect dust on the store shelves.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/HD_5000_Leaks/
malevolence
Thanks for the link , the 5870 looks good
Burst Cancel
The Q6600 clocks to ~3.2Ghz on air pretty easily, so watercooling isn't at all necessary. Furthermore, I highly doubt your CPU is bottlenecking you; there are only a few games that are really CPU intensive (e.g., SupCom, GTA IV).
malevolence
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Originally Posted by Burst Cancel
The Q6600 clocks to ~3.2Ghz on air pretty easily, so watercooling isn't at all necessary. Furthermore, I highly doubt your CPU is bottlenecking you; there are only a few games that are really CPU intensive (e.g., SupCom, GTA IV).
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.Finally the HD 5870 1024 MB is out there ! lol , now I will try to find a good review to see if its worth. There are two differents brands Sapphire and XFX , I think XFX is better as I know the customer support is very good.
I have a question tho , will the new HD5000 series work good with a 790i ultra (nvidia chipset) ??
EDIT: link fro XFX HD 5870 http://www.xfxforce.com/en-gb/produc...ries/5870.aspx
Benchmarks , check this out : http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/radeon...-31685-10.html
moriz
it will work. and yes, the 5870 is THE card to get right now.
can of whoopass: opened, but not by nvidia. (ON nvidia perhaps, but not by nvidia).
can of whoopass: opened, but not by nvidia. (ON nvidia perhaps, but not by nvidia).
malevolence
So , after reading many reviews, I see the 5870 (single version) is not that great , and the price difference with a HD 5870 and a GTX 295 is not that much (here in NL).
Now , the 5870 in crossfire is a better than a GTX 295 and GTX 285 SLI , but I don't want to mess up with SLI/Crossfire configuration , they overhead the case and there are many many trouble sometimes. And besides that , I don't want to spent that money again , I learned my lesson with the annoying Quad SLI 9800 GX2.
I guess , I will need to wait again , I want to see how the HD 5870 2X will perform. Does someone knows the release date of the HD 5870 2X ?
Now , the 5870 in crossfire is a better than a GTX 295 and GTX 285 SLI , but I don't want to mess up with SLI/Crossfire configuration , they overhead the case and there are many many trouble sometimes. And besides that , I don't want to spent that money again , I learned my lesson with the annoying Quad SLI 9800 GX2.
I guess , I will need to wait again , I want to see how the HD 5870 2X will perform. Does someone knows the release date of the HD 5870 2X ?
Ec]-[oMaN
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I guess , I will need to wait again , I want to see how the HD 5870 2X will perform. Does someone knows the release date of the HD 5870 2X ?
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moriz
there's also a supply issue. apparently, AMD thought it was a good idea to ship most of their stock to Dell, leaving very little left for online retailers.
hopefully this will be fixed quickly. given how fast AMD can make these things, this shouldn't take too long.
aside from that, i think there's still some driver issue to be worked out. the performance just doesn't seem to be at its 100%. even with all that said, this is THE most powerful single GPU graphic card produced to date. it's power consumption is also so low that it's absurd, consuming less power than a 4870 while almost doubling the performance.
hopefully this will be fixed quickly. given how fast AMD can make these things, this shouldn't take too long.
aside from that, i think there's still some driver issue to be worked out. the performance just doesn't seem to be at its 100%. even with all that said, this is THE most powerful single GPU graphic card produced to date. it's power consumption is also so low that it's absurd, consuming less power than a 4870 while almost doubling the performance.
malevolence
Time is coming close
So, for the Case, I saw a Lian Li TYR PC-X2000 , is really big but I need to compare it with the ThermalTake SwordM (without water cooling) . This time I really want to buy a case with an excellent airflow for overclocking.
Right now , my temperatures are quite high , 35 degrees idle and 45 degrees at 100% load. I have this Xigmatek HDT-S1283 , when I bought it , it was one of the best cooler around. I am wondering if I need to change my cpu cooler for a better one ? I know the the airflow of the case I have now sucks and the case isn't enough for my hardware , so probably the high temps I am having is because of the case itself and not the cpu cooler. In case you think I need to change the cooler too, can you please recommend one ?
What I bought so far for my new setup are a HD of 1.5tb (pff I really need this , too much downloads xD ) , another pair of Corsair TW3X4G1600C9DHX (so my setup will go with 8gb of RAM) and a OCZ Freeze Extreme Thermal Conductivity Compound (hoping is a good one?)
About the video card , I will wait a bit more , I really want to see the Hemlock 5870x2 in action
Cheers
So, for the Case, I saw a Lian Li TYR PC-X2000 , is really big but I need to compare it with the ThermalTake SwordM (without water cooling) . This time I really want to buy a case with an excellent airflow for overclocking.
Right now , my temperatures are quite high , 35 degrees idle and 45 degrees at 100% load. I have this Xigmatek HDT-S1283 , when I bought it , it was one of the best cooler around. I am wondering if I need to change my cpu cooler for a better one ? I know the the airflow of the case I have now sucks and the case isn't enough for my hardware , so probably the high temps I am having is because of the case itself and not the cpu cooler. In case you think I need to change the cooler too, can you please recommend one ?
What I bought so far for my new setup are a HD of 1.5tb (pff I really need this , too much downloads xD ) , another pair of Corsair TW3X4G1600C9DHX (so my setup will go with 8gb of RAM) and a OCZ Freeze Extreme Thermal Conductivity Compound (hoping is a good one?)
About the video card , I will wait a bit more , I really want to see the Hemlock 5870x2 in action
Cheers
Burst Cancel
Adding more RAM can limit your overclock, so it's best not to add any unless you actually need it.
The PC-X2000 is overpriced (and, as far as I can tell, no longer widely available). If airflow is what you're looking for, there are any number of cheaper cases that would work well, such as the Coolermaster HAF932, Silverstone RV02, Antec Twelve Hundred, etc. If you really want a nice aluminum Lian-Li, the PC-B7x series, PC-P80, and PC-X1000 are all huge cases with great airflow that cost half of what the X2000 costs.
The cooler is adequate. Upgrades would be a Thermalright Ultra Extreme/IFX-14 or Prolimatech Megahalems.
Thermal compound has relatively little impact, but the best compounds in terms of cooling performance are IC Diamond, Noctua NT-H1, and Arctic Cooling MX-3 (IIRC). Of those three, the NT-H1 is the easiest to work with (easy to apply, no curing time), while the diamond is the hardest but supposedly cools slightly better. The diamond will also abrade your CPU IHS slightly, if you care about that.
If you want to play Crysis completely maxed-out at 1080p you're going to have to shell out big bucks for top-end video cards. However, none of your other games require anywhere near that kind of horsepower. In short, you could save a lot of money by just dropping one game.
The PC-X2000 is overpriced (and, as far as I can tell, no longer widely available). If airflow is what you're looking for, there are any number of cheaper cases that would work well, such as the Coolermaster HAF932, Silverstone RV02, Antec Twelve Hundred, etc. If you really want a nice aluminum Lian-Li, the PC-B7x series, PC-P80, and PC-X1000 are all huge cases with great airflow that cost half of what the X2000 costs.
The cooler is adequate. Upgrades would be a Thermalright Ultra Extreme/IFX-14 or Prolimatech Megahalems.
Thermal compound has relatively little impact, but the best compounds in terms of cooling performance are IC Diamond, Noctua NT-H1, and Arctic Cooling MX-3 (IIRC). Of those three, the NT-H1 is the easiest to work with (easy to apply, no curing time), while the diamond is the hardest but supposedly cools slightly better. The diamond will also abrade your CPU IHS slightly, if you care about that.
If you want to play Crysis completely maxed-out at 1080p you're going to have to shell out big bucks for top-end video cards. However, none of your other games require anywhere near that kind of horsepower. In short, you could save a lot of money by just dropping one game.
Elder III
45 degrees at 100% load is NOT high, you have nothing to worry about with those temperatures..... 
Of course overclocking will increase those temps somewhat and a good airflow in your case is vital for that. The HAF932 that was mentioned above is a sweet case (might be mine when I upgrade to a larger case sometime), with really good airflow and enough room for just about anything. you should check it out...
Of course overclocking will increase those temps somewhat and a good airflow in your case is vital for that. The HAF932 that was mentioned above is a sweet case (might be mine when I upgrade to a larger case sometime), with really good airflow and enough room for just about anything. you should check it out...
malevolence
wow the Coolermaster HAF932 looks great, and the shop where I always buy the parts have this one on stock and the price is good too .
Just a few things , I was reading the review and they mentioned this:
# Fans are quite loud
# Screw-less system for optical drives does not hold perfectly.
That the Fans are quite loud I don't care that much , but the screwless system for the optical drives is very important
, just thinking if this can be an issue.
Another thing , and maybe I am wrong , but I read somewhere (don't remember right now) that fans on the sidepanel isn't good for airflow , is that true ? This case have a huge fan on the side panel , just wondering.
Cheers.
and the price is good too .Just a few things , I was reading the review and they mentioned this:
# Fans are quite loud
# Screw-less system for optical drives does not hold perfectly.
That the Fans are quite loud I don't care that much , but the screwless system for the optical drives is very important
, just thinking if this can be an issue.Another thing , and maybe I am wrong , but I read somewhere (don't remember right now) that fans on the sidepanel isn't good for airflow , is that true ? This case have a huge fan on the side panel , just wondering.
Cheers.
Elder III
well for reference I installed 2 120mm fans on the side of my case and lowered the temp 4-6 degrees Celsius, dependent on load. As for the screw-less system - I have heard a couple people complain about them, but there's always a couple ppl that will complain about anything ---- anyways, I prefer screws for the ultimate secure, reliable, and final hold.
malevolence
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well for reference I installed 2 120mm fans on the side of my case and lowered the temp 4-6 degrees Celsius, dependent on load. As for the screw-less system - I have heard a couple people complain about them, but there's always a couple ppl that will complain about anything ---- anyways, I prefer screws for the ultimate secure, reliable, and final hold.
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Thanks for the info , I will get this case for sure
malevolence
The Coolermaster HAF932 is on its way probably arriving on tuesday !
EDIT: Also ordered a Prolimatech Megahalems cooler , the xigmatek isn't working good for me.
probably arriving on tuesday !EDIT: Also ordered a Prolimatech Megahalems cooler , the xigmatek isn't working good for me.
Elder III
Ah, I forgot you were getting a new case too - care to check your temps with the old Xigmatek in the new case before swapping them? I'm curious to see how much effect the HAF932 with some good fans will have on it. XD
Zomgyogi
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Ah, I forgot you were getting a new case too - care to check your temps with the old Xigmatek in the new case before swapping them? I'm curious to see how much effect the HAF932 with some good fans will have on it. XD
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malevolence
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Ah, I forgot you were getting a new case too - care to check your temps with the old Xigmatek in the new case before swapping them? I'm curious to see how much effect the HAF932 with some good fans will have on it. XD
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, the temperature didn't cross the 45 degrees , I am quite happy with the new cooler , now just waiting for the coolermaster HAF
Elder III
nice temps, very nice indeed. XD
Zomgyogi
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I got the new cooler (Prolimatech Megahalems) and man, this cooler works good , my idle temp was 25/27 degrees and the max temperature reached was 45 degrees during the stresstest with prime95 for 9+ hours
, the temperature didn't cross the 45 degrees , I am quite happy with the new cooler , now just waiting for the coolermaster HAF |
malevolence
@ Zomgyogi , make sure that your cooler is having good pressure with the heat sink and the cpu , that was my issue with the my previous cooler (xigmatek) , it wasn't have the enough pressure to transfer the heat to the heat sink because of the plastic pins , so I needed to replace it , the xigmatek is a nice one , but after a year or sometime the plastic pins aren't good anymore, it was mentioned on some reviews.
Still I didn't receive the coolermaster HAF, but right now , with my old case , I have overclocked my cpu to 3.4ghz with no issues at all , as my new cooler is working fine, so I can imagine with the HAF case I will lower the temperature a bit more , probably allowing me to overclock the cpu to 3.6ghz
About the video card , I still have my old 9800gx2 that is enough at the moment, and I am waiting for more new ATI or Nvidiea releases.
Still I didn't receive the coolermaster HAF, but right now , with my old case , I have overclocked my cpu to 3.4ghz with no issues at all , as my new cooler is working fine, so I can imagine with the HAF case I will lower the temperature a bit more
, probably allowing me to overclock the cpu to 3.6ghz About the video card , I still have my old 9800gx2 that is enough at the moment, and I am waiting for more new ATI or Nvidiea releases.
Zomgyogi
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@ Zomgyogi , make sure that your cooler is having good pressure with the heat sink and the cpu , that was my issue with the my previous cooler (xigmatek) , it wasn't have the enough pressure to transfer the heat to the heat sink because of the plastic pins , so I needed to replace it , the xigmatek is a nice one , but after a year or sometime the plastic pins aren't good anymore, it was mentioned on some reviews.
Still I didn't receive the coolermaster HAF, but right now , with my old case , I have overclocked my cpu to 3.4ghz with no issues at all , as my new cooler is working fine, so I can imagine with the HAF case I will lower the temperature a bit more , probably allowing me to overclock the cpu to 3.6ghz About the video card , I still have my old 9800gx2 that is enough at the moment, and I am waiting for more new ATI or Nvidiea releases. |
malevolence
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No heatsink is fine. i7s just run really hot.
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malevolence
Finally got the cooler master HAF , and I am very happy with it , there is plenty of space inside the case and a very good cable management .
Now , my cpu temps are quite the same , but I bet my video card temperature is lower , anyone knows a good software to check the temps of my video card ?
Also I am getting 2 custom magnetics dust filters built for the CM HAF , as the case have huge fans but no filters.
, and I am very happy with it , there is plenty of space inside the case and a very good cable management . Now , my cpu temps are quite the same , but I bet my video card temperature is lower , anyone knows a good software to check the temps of my video card ?
Also I am getting 2 custom magnetics dust filters built for the CM HAF , as the case have huge fans but no filters.
Lord Sojar
Use Everest to check your video card temps. Or, if you are using a GTX295, which I assume you are from this thread, you could download the performance tools for nVidia drivers.
Grab them here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_...ools_6.05.html
They are pretty little package.
Grab them here:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_...ools_6.05.html
They are pretty little package.
malevolence
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Use Everest to check your video card temps. Or, if you are using a GTX295, which I assume you are from this thread, you could download the performance tools for nVidia drivers.
Grab them here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_...ools_6.05.html They are pretty little package. |
I will use everest , I still have the 9800GX2 , didn't get the GTX295 as I prefer to wait more for new releases
Lord Sojar
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Cool , thanks Rahja.
I will use everest , I still have the 9800GX2 , didn't get the GTX295 as I prefer to wait more for new releases |
The nVidia system tools should work for the 9800GX2 as well.
Zomgyogi
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Finally got the cooler master HAF
, and I am very happy with it , there is plenty of space inside the case and a very good cable management . Now , my cpu temps are quite the same , but I bet my video card temperature is lower , anyone knows a good software to check the temps of my video card ? Also I am getting 2 custom magnetics dust filters built for the CM HAF , as the case have huge fans but no filters. |
Also for CPU temps you can use Real Temp.
As for fan filter you can use panty hose or even mosquito nets, itll be much cheaper.
http://www.overclock.net/6368757-post727.html
http://www.overclock.net/4911771-post1.html
http://www.overclock.net/6332377-post703.html
malevolence
@ Zomgyogi , thanks , I will ask my wife to get some panty hose hehehe. Thanks for the recommended programs
@ Rahja , I was using the nvidia system tool before , but I thought it wasn't accurate. I will get it from the xfx site (is listed on the mobo downloads list)
@ Rahja , I was using the nvidia system tool before , but I thought it wasn't accurate. I will get it from the xfx site (is listed on the mobo downloads list)
malevolence
Great, I measured the temps of my GPU, and I remember before , with my old case , the temps were ~69c , and at load was ~74c , now with the CM HAF the temps are ~40c idle and ~50c at load , WOW , the temps went really down lol, and I have the 9800gx2 that is a hot as hell lol.
Anyway , topic can be closed, I got a nice CM HAF thanks for the advice of the people here at gwguru and also a great CPU cooler and temps measures softwares
Thank you all !
Cheers
Anyway , topic can be closed, I got a nice CM HAF thanks for the advice of the people here at gwguru and also a great CPU cooler and temps measures softwares
Thank you all !
Cheers