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Ranger's Power shot.
Crossfire can out-do it anyday. lol? Powershot < Crossfire |
Most UNDERpowered skills?
lord of all tyria
eyekwah2
Frenzy still has its purpose. Anyone who plays assasin could tell you that.. :P
Non-elite most useless skill:
Signet of Disenchantment - Seriously.. Drain Enchantment not only removes an enchantment but it actually gives you energy and life at 0 points in Inspiration Magic. Signet of Disenchantment might be a signet and not use energy, which is a good thing because you're going to need all the energy you can get after it removes all your energy. I've only seen this used once and that was on the Holy Wraith / Signet of Judgement build and I think that's about the only build that actually uses it well.
Non-elite most useless skill:
Second Wind - Who uses this anyway? What better way to cheat exhaustion than by bringing an elite which gives you MORE exhaustion. If they removed the fact that it caused exhaustion it'd still be bad, and that says a lot.
Non-elite most useless skill:
Signet of Disenchantment - Seriously.. Drain Enchantment not only removes an enchantment but it actually gives you energy and life at 0 points in Inspiration Magic. Signet of Disenchantment might be a signet and not use energy, which is a good thing because you're going to need all the energy you can get after it removes all your energy. I've only seen this used once and that was on the Holy Wraith / Signet of Judgement build and I think that's about the only build that actually uses it well.
Non-elite most useless skill:
Second Wind - Who uses this anyway? What better way to cheat exhaustion than by bringing an elite which gives you MORE exhaustion. If they removed the fact that it caused exhaustion it'd still be bad, and that says a lot.
Shakkara
Just about every warrior attack speed increase stance with the exception of Flail.
Berserker Stance
Burst of Aggression
Tiger Stance
Flurry
Frenzy
Primal Rage and Soldiers Stance have no reason to be Elite skills (not that I'd use Primal Rage even if it was non-elite)
Man I was pissed when Critical Agility and Rapid Fire became unusable for Warriors. Now I'm just using Never Rampage Alone or even Tiger's Fury because even as Secondary they're better than the main Warrior stances.
Berserker Stance
Burst of Aggression
Tiger Stance
Flurry
Frenzy
Primal Rage and Soldiers Stance have no reason to be Elite skills (not that I'd use Primal Rage even if it was non-elite)
Man I was pissed when Critical Agility and Rapid Fire became unusable for Warriors. Now I'm just using Never Rampage Alone or even Tiger's Fury because even as Secondary they're better than the main Warrior stances.
shadows of hob
Elemental Flame still does it for me.
Frenzy=best warrior skill in game. (maybe after BS)
Frenzy=best warrior skill in game. (maybe after BS)
Jimmy K
Ok, now maybe you guys can illuminate something for me.
Power Shot - in what world is that useful, when both penetrating attack and sundering shot are: the same cost, same activation time, do more bonus damage , have 10% AP AND recharge 2 seconds faster?
I only ask as I'm obviously missing something...
Power Shot - in what world is that useful, when both penetrating attack and sundering shot are: the same cost, same activation time, do more bonus damage , have 10% AP AND recharge 2 seconds faster?
I only ask as I'm obviously missing something...
t00115577
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keli
I think the thread should be renamed to : Most UNDERpowered skills in PVE?
ll Jamie ll
Never seen anyone use Order of Apostasty o.o.
Karate Jesus
Amity
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Symeon
Anyway, my choices for each profession:
Monk
Non-elite: Smiter's Boon (PvP)
Elite: Amity
Warrior
Non-elite: Signet of Strength
Elite: Auspicious Parry
Ranger
Non-elite: Revive Animal
Elite: Quick Shot
Elementalist
Non-elite: Lightning Javelin
Elite: Second Wind
Necromancer
Non-elite: Well of Ruin
Elite: Reaper's Mark
Mesmer
Non-elite: Aneurysm
Elite: Panic
Asssassin
Non-elite: Signet of Shadows
Elite: Shroud of Silence
Ritualist
Non-elite: Signet of Creation
Elite: Defiant Was Xinrae
Dervish
Non-elite: Guiding Hands
Elite: Pious Renewal
Paragon
Non-elite: Energizing Finale
Elite: Angelic Bond
Monk
Non-elite: Smiter's Boon (PvP)
Elite: Amity
Warrior
Non-elite: Signet of Strength
Elite: Auspicious Parry
Ranger
Non-elite: Revive Animal
Elite: Quick Shot
Elementalist
Non-elite: Lightning Javelin
Elite: Second Wind
Necromancer
Non-elite: Well of Ruin
Elite: Reaper's Mark
Mesmer
Non-elite: Aneurysm
Elite: Panic
Asssassin
Non-elite: Signet of Shadows
Elite: Shroud of Silence
Ritualist
Non-elite: Signet of Creation
Elite: Defiant Was Xinrae
Dervish
Non-elite: Guiding Hands
Elite: Pious Renewal
Paragon
Non-elite: Energizing Finale
Elite: Angelic Bond
Jimmy K
Agree with most of the above, except Pious Renewal, seen plenty of those D/Mo healing tanks in the lower end of pvp and they're a ballache to take down thanks to that infinite energy chain skill...everything else /agree.
Still no-one can enlighten me to the power shot secret as per my last post?
(Sundering/Penetrating>Power shot in every way...)
Still no-one can enlighten me to the power shot secret as per my last post?
(Sundering/Penetrating>Power shot in every way...)
ele pl
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Never seen anyone use Order of Apostasty o.o.
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Benderama
soul twisting (is that the skill the makes binding rituals cast twice as fast?) kinda useless bonus for killing a spirit (sorry i forgot the other benefits).
xinrae's weapon, weapon of remedy- only useful if used by a henchmen and since you'd use them on something taking damage the effect is used straight away, would be nice if it had a duration?
mist form? (i dunno i guess i'd like to see something happen to it to make it more useful Vs SF)
xinrae's weapon, weapon of remedy- only useful if used by a henchmen and since you'd use them on something taking damage the effect is used straight away, would be nice if it had a duration?
mist form? (i dunno i guess i'd like to see something happen to it to make it more useful Vs SF)
The Drunkard
I pretty much agree with Symeon, except Reaper's Mark. I've seen it with a few RA builds, and offers decent degen for a large amount of time. I think the most underpowered elite for necro is either Signet of Suffering or Plague signet. Plague sig is outclassed by plague sending, and sig. of suffering can't spike or offer decent damage for a 20r skill.
reaper with no name
What about Iron Mist?
Yay, let's help out the enemy!
Yay, let's help out the enemy!
Cuilan
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Originally Posted by Symeon
Mesmer
Non-elite: Aneurysm |
Diversion? Meant for PvE (since that's where my first post was geared torwards).
Nuclfus
Dragon Empire Rage
Symeon
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Still no-one can enlighten me to the power shot secret as per my last post?
(Sundering/Penetrating>Power shot in every way...) |
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Penetrating_Attack
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Penetrating_Attack_(PvP)
Chocobo1
I'd like to just go over Reaper's Mark.
It's in Soul Reaping, so when something dies you are going to get Energy back. So the energy on death part of Reaper's Mark is a pretty big overkill, you should never be needing that much energy back, Soul Reaping by itself does just fine.
So basically your elite is a -4 degen hex. Yay.
Although I do think there are more underpowered Necro Elites:
Plague Signet
Grenth's Balance
Soul Leech
Well of Power
Life Transfer
Virulence
Animate Flesh Golem
Ravenous Gaze
Signet of Suffering
And I'd be here all day if I went into detail about the Non Elites that need a buff.
It's in Soul Reaping, so when something dies you are going to get Energy back. So the energy on death part of Reaper's Mark is a pretty big overkill, you should never be needing that much energy back, Soul Reaping by itself does just fine.
So basically your elite is a -4 degen hex. Yay.
Although I do think there are more underpowered Necro Elites:
Plague Signet
Grenth's Balance
Soul Leech
Well of Power
Life Transfer
Virulence
Animate Flesh Golem
Ravenous Gaze
Signet of Suffering
And I'd be here all day if I went into detail about the Non Elites that need a buff.
lucan hammercrest
Winds IMO is the most worthless skill in game
silicagel
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Winds IMO is the most worthless skill in game
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I had a team mate take this along for arachni's haunt just yesterday. We had two heroes and a human with aegis.. pretty much 100% uptime on backliners. .. but winds was doing something! perhaps being another target for spiders with barrage but damnet it was doing something!
Jimmy K
Ty for the post on Power Shot!!! I facepalmed myself for not checking that first, sorry about that... Aside from my own shortcomings on the pve/pvp split, this thread has enlightened me to people's lack of knowledge on so many skills!
WoR and Xinrae's for example! How anyone could overlook their strength is beyond me.
My 2 cents on the UNDERpowered skills, would have to throw Mind Burn into the mix. This isn't because its a "bad" skill damage wise or anything, its just that if you play fire you have so many choices for elites, you could never find a reason to take it over Searing Flames or Mind Blast or Savannah Heat etc etc etc. So it's underpowered by relative comparison!
WoR and Xinrae's for example! How anyone could overlook their strength is beyond me.
My 2 cents on the UNDERpowered skills, would have to throw Mind Burn into the mix. This isn't because its a "bad" skill damage wise or anything, its just that if you play fire you have so many choices for elites, you could never find a reason to take it over Searing Flames or Mind Blast or Savannah Heat etc etc etc. So it's underpowered by relative comparison!
Loot Junkie
When Nightfall was new Reaper's Mark saw alot of use in RA(stacked with faintheartedness and a cover hex), so anet clipped of one degen arrow and lengthened the recharge. For my money, the worst necro elite skill is Ravenous gaze, that is some lame lifesteal there
subarucar
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My 2 cents on the UNDERpowered skills, would have to throw Mind Burn into the mix. This isn't because its a "bad" skill damage wise or anything, its just that if you play fire you have so many choices for elites, you could never find a reason to take it over Searing Flames or Mind Blast or Savannah Heat etc etc etc. So it's underpowered by relative comparison!
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Winterclaw
Armor of Frost: useless and outclassed by frigid armor.
Mist Form: poor man's SF
Vapor Blade: pound for pound, worse than ice spear but has a slightly better range.
Swirling Aura: of limited use, there are better ways to deal with rangers.
Most of Tactics: stinks for warriors but some skills are ok for other classes.
Barbarous slice, pure/jaihenzu strike: if you aren't in flail or frenzy you're doing it wrong. Skills that encourage you to do it wrong are bad.
Dragon Slash (pvp): no brawling headbutt to go with it. :`(
Hamstring: energy cost too high.
Shadow Form: Can't maintain it without 2 other skills. PBAoE still damages/removes it. Doesn't quintuple damage. Doesn't improve your drops. (In case you can't tell, I'm joking.)
Mist Form: poor man's SF
Vapor Blade: pound for pound, worse than ice spear but has a slightly better range.
Swirling Aura: of limited use, there are better ways to deal with rangers.
Most of Tactics: stinks for warriors but some skills are ok for other classes.
Barbarous slice, pure/jaihenzu strike: if you aren't in flail or frenzy you're doing it wrong. Skills that encourage you to do it wrong are bad.
Dragon Slash (pvp): no brawling headbutt to go with it. :`(
Hamstring: energy cost too high.
Shadow Form: Can't maintain it without 2 other skills. PBAoE still damages/removes it. Doesn't quintuple damage. Doesn't improve your drops. (In case you can't tell, I'm joking.)
drkn
most mesmer skills suck in pve to be honest, a serious pve/pvp split is needed for mesmers to bring them back to pve without overpowering them in pvp.
Ccat
Let me just say skills that are unique (that there are never alternatives for) can't be called underpowered. There will always be some use for them, ie there was someone earlier on saying Whirling Defense was underpowered, but if used with 'On Your Knees!' and NRA it doesn't seem so underpowered anymore. Frenzy also can't be underpowered, because like all IAS skills, it has a drawback, but if there is no one around to fulfill that drawback on you (such as in PvP) it becomes kinda good doesn't it? Flail has unseen consequences because although it increases your attack speed, it also decreases it because you can't go places. You can put Dash on but that's another skill sucked up...
Lamentation, on the other hand, has no alibi. There are hundreds of alternatives to it, in fact, almost all straight damage skills outrank it. Never mind that it's untyped AI-damage, a skill without AI-damage probably has lower recharge and can probably outrank the 75 damage it does every 20 seconds.
Lamentation, on the other hand, has no alibi. There are hundreds of alternatives to it, in fact, almost all straight damage skills outrank it. Never mind that it's untyped AI-damage, a skill without AI-damage probably has lower recharge and can probably outrank the 75 damage it does every 20 seconds.
Chthon
You can't spell "lamentation" without "lame."
silicagel
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Armor of Frost: useless and outclassed by frigid armor.
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Winterclaw
Armor of mist is a little better because it protects against elemental damage and gives a speed buff. So I wouldn't consider it one of the most underpowered skills.
Chucks
Wither, I mean, does this have anyplace in the game?
silicagel
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Originally Posted by Winterclaw
Armor of mist is a little better because it protects against elemental damage and gives a speed buff. So I wouldn't consider it one of the most underpowered skills.
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Magragoc
Second Wind. Lamentation's in the same league, but at least it's not Elite.
fenix
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Second Wind. Lamentation's in the same league, but at least it's not Elite.
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Winds is UTTERLY useless, because it affects you as well as your enemies, and has such a stupidly low %. Nice work ANet.
Yelling @ Cats
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Originally Posted by Winterclaw
Shadow Form: Can't maintain it without 2 other skills. PBAoE still damages/removes it. Doesn't quintuple damage. Doesn't improve your drops. (In case you can't tell, I'm joking.)
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Aside from SF being retarded with 100% upkeep...it is completely useless without 100% upkeep (in any balanced group anyway).
Fail mechanic is fail