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Rekliss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

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30 Sep 2009 at 14:55 - 1

Does anyone think it would be nice to have a single option for out-of-district goldsellers?

ie- they are jumping districts and you don't want your spot in the trade menu lost; but no fear because when you /report a goldseller that is PM'ing you and they are not in your district, you are given one option to check: goldseller. and of course, anyone who abuses this should be banned. I figure this might make a nice addition and help nail the goldsellers who are screwing the game for us.

Here, this is what i think the menu should look like:

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

30 Sep 2009 at 15:19 - 2

1. ignore list
2. wont happen quick enough to matter
3. i'm sure they have tons of accounts

if you want to feel like a true blue carebear you can still report him for spamming though.

Rekliss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

[SMF]

30 Sep 2009 at 16:25 - 3

of course they have tons of accounts; but if you get them caught faster than they can acquire them, maybe they will be more discreet about it, and not sit there and spam all over the place.

Ignore list does not deter them from selling gold, it just keeps you from seeing them. I'm talking about a faster way to tag and ban those accounts.

drunk n angry

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

in a quiet little town that i love.

Ancient Dragoons [AGED]

W/

30 Sep 2009 at 17:43 - 4

i used to camp out in d2 great temple of balthazar.... there was a gold seller that would be there almost every day. i would report him to anet with screenshots and putting in support tickets. they would write back saying that the account was banned. next day he was back. and again account banned. i did this about 5 times and then i gave up LOL. there are too many thiefs out there for me to try to play super cop. anet is the one that needs to protect their own EULA. and we just need to protect our own accounts by making sure we dont buy gold and also making sure our systems are virus free to protect your accounts all over from getting hacked from keyloggers.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

30 Sep 2009 at 18:25 - 5

please give me a way to report people not in my district

not one of these will be a legitimate report

wilderness

tinyurl.com/6hqar7a

Join Date: Mar 2006

We Couldn't Figure Out A Name [LMAO]

W/N

30 Sep 2009 at 19:08 - 6

It's simple enough to make a ss and report via support.

Also, I reported a scammer a few days ago and actually received confirmation that their account had been suspended. So don't think reporting is futile!

Xenex Xclame

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Mar 2006

DPX

R/

30 Sep 2009 at 19:14 - 7

How about Anet just fix it so you dont lose your "spot" unless you leave that town.

Its stupid that you have to rewrite your line just because you went to a diff district.

Mitchel

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jan 2007

Almkerk, The Netherlands

P/W

01 Oct 2009 at 10:35 - 8

This is ironic.

Shasgaliel

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2008

[bomb]

01 Oct 2009 at 13:06 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

please give me a way to report people not in my district

not one of these will be a legitimate report

Reporting people not in the district is the only option for this to work I think. /signed. However I have not seen a gold seller more than once so I am not sure how useful it will be.

Elephantaliste

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

adblockplus.or

01 Oct 2009 at 14:15 - 10

/signed
Gold sellers can't be reported in same tdistrict, since they leave immediately after spamming thus making current scamming report system obsolete.

Vdawg1337

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2009

You dont need to know :)

Damage Radius [dr]

D/A

01 Oct 2009 at 18:27 - 11

/signed
Im too lazy to submit a support ticket :P

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

01 Oct 2009 at 20:25 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shasgaliel

Reporting people not in the district is the only option for this to work I think. /signed. However I have not seen a gold seller more than once so I am not sure how useful it will be.

You just gave myself, everyone that is an asshole in my guild, and everyone that is an asshole in my alliance the ability to report anyone, anywhere. These automated reports are not closely examined unlike the screenshot reports sent to NCSoft support.

IntrospectivePirate

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

Evil Association of Trollers (EAT)

Me/Mo

01 Oct 2009 at 22:19 - 13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekliss

of course they have tons of accounts; but if you get them caught faster than they can acquire them, maybe they will be more discreet about it, and not sit there and spam all over the place.

Ignore list does not deter them from selling gold, it just keeps you from seeing them. I'm talking about a faster way to tag and ban those accounts.

Sarcasm

Sign me up for the Report Scouts

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Elephantaliste

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

adblockplus.or

01 Oct 2009 at 22:24 - 14

(could be a separate report system with a separate command /reportrmt)

i am adding 2 arguments for your suggestion :
*helps to give priority for that kind of spontaneous reports
*allows rmt reports to be processed with as much reactivity as for reports on support website.

Taurus ChicKa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2009

Isle of Meditation

R/

02 Oct 2009 at 17:49 - 15

Been suggeested several times, but I'll go ahead and post my thoughts:

I hate when people PM me just to spam things. One time someone made a racist name and spamm-PM'd me that name for like 10 minutes straight. Well okay, maybe not that long because I did ignore them.

However, it was still uncalled for, and I couldn't use the /report feature because I was in an explorable area, so of course the person wasn't in my district. Something like that should have been reported. Now granted I did take a screenshot and send it to PlayNC and they banned the person, but consider this -

Your ignore list only holds eight. There are a lot more spammers, gold sellers, etc. than that, not to mention people who you yourself just don't get along with. Everyone uses the ignore list for a different reason, but I always felt that a total of eight was too small.

But yes, I think that the /report feature should work wherever you are, and not require you to be in the same district as the offender. And that's what the chat log is for - just because you report someone doesn't mean they'll get banned, so ANet needs to check the chat log to see if what the person did was, in fact, a violation. That, and increase our ignore list size.

Rekliss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

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02 Oct 2009 at 19:43 - 16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taurus ChicKa

Been suggeested several times, but I'll go ahead and post my thoughts:

I hate when people PM me just to spam things. One time someone made a racist name and spamm-PM'd me that name for like 10 minutes straight. Well okay, maybe not that long because I did ignore them.

However, it was still uncalled for, and I couldn't use the /report feature because I was in an explorable area, so of course the person wasn't in my district. Something like that should have been reported. Now granted I did take a screenshot and send it to PlayNC and they banned the person, but consider this -

Your ignore list only holds eight. There are a lot more spammers, gold sellers, etc. than that, not to mention people who you yourself just don't get along with. Everyone uses the ignore list for a different reason, but I always felt that a total of eight was too small.

But yes, I think that the /report feature should work wherever you are, and not require you to be in the same district as the offender. And that's what the chat log is for - just because you report someone doesn't mean they'll get banned, so ANet needs to check the chat log to see if what the person did was, in fact, a violation. That, and increase our ignore list size.

It's all good and well, but this is for speed. If a-net doesnt have to sift through pages of chat logs (wasting 15 mins or so) for every report, then we can get these accounts banned faster. I am tired of the economy going to crap because of these guys; if we ban them fast enough - they will not advertise nearly as much and maybe their prices will go way up, so less people will buy; and that will help keep our economy in-line. As for the ignore list - it's a waste to add goldsellers, they get banned shortly after advertising, so it IS a waste to add them to that list. With a system like this though-A-net gets a goldseller /report on a single account from 80 different players, there isnt much question as to what they are doing; the ban can maybe be automated depending on the amount of reports to the account. Many ideas, same story - I think we need this for our sake.

Taurus ChicKa

Banned

Join Date: Sep 2009

Isle of Meditation

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02 Oct 2009 at 22:55 - 17

Good point Rekliss; yeah, it would be a waste to put a gold-seller on the ignore list. I was mostly talking about the ones in my case, where a person with a racist name PM'd racist comments to me, spamming them. hehe

But yeah, the ignore list still seems pretty short, but I hate seeing those gold sellers. Them, and the "WTB GW accounts" spammers...I don't think anyone is going to offer.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

03 Oct 2009 at 03:51 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekliss

If a-net doesnt have to sift through pages of chat logs (wasting 15 mins or so) for every report, then we can get these accounts banned faster.

If anet doesn't sift through pages of chat logs for every report and instead just issues bans, do I really need to finish this line of thinking?

I just said that such a system will be abused. If they aren't taking 15 minutes to sift through for each report before issuing a ban, do you think they are going to spend 15 minutes sifting through to check to see if it is a false report?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rekliss

the ban can maybe be automated depending on the amount of reports to the account.

Really? Are you that dense? Do you really want automated bannings of accounts? I'm sure that such a system would never ban an account that wasn't worthy of it. I'm also sure that NCSoft support won't be dealing with more work taking ban appeals than they did just dealing with money trader reports.

Rekliss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

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03 Oct 2009 at 04:09 - 19

well, you would have to piss off about 80 people simultaneously and have them all accuse you of being a goldseller for that to work - so it would be hard to abuse that feature if the person isnt a goldseller.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

03 Oct 2009 at 05:27 - 20

There aren't 80 people in the game that care enough to report a goldseller.

Whatever artificial number of reports you would need to autoban someone, it doesn't change the fact that you will be banning an account based entirely upon player input and nothing from the company itself.

Whatever number you choose, come mAT a lot of people are going to get autobanned. "Oh but Rev clearly that is an abuse and they will ban the people doing it." That's not my point. My point is that accounts would be falsely banned. Sure this time it was obvious, but are they going to scrutinize every single banning? What time is saved in autobanning if every ban has to be looked at? None, no time is saved, but bad PR is created.

Automated banning of accounts is a terrible idea and anyone that would promote it clearly doesn't understand mmo design.

Rekliss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

[SMF]

03 Oct 2009 at 15:23 - 21

I see your point, i saw it from your first post.

You have to see mine; a goldseller isn't going to report their account banned for no reason.

It doesn't have to be an auto-ban, but I still don't see how someone can get accidentally banned for being a goldseller when they aren't in the same district as the people that are reporting. Second off, if a whole guild decides to be pissed at "jimmy" for quitting the guild and they all report him, well obviously it was false and that whole guild needs to be temp-banned. But it could put a huge flag on the report and send it straight to the top of the list which at that time it would be easy and fast to get them banned and out of here without being an auto-ban.

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

03 Oct 2009 at 20:24 - 22

If they don't check before banning, they aren't going to check for false bans

If they do check for false bans, then they aren't saving any time by having an auto-ban system

This system gains nothing, zero, nada, useless, no point. But it does create PR problems and depending on how implemented could be a PR nightmare.

The only people that like the current report system are the people that don't really understand how it works. Those of us that have have been a part of it from both ends can tell you that it is a terrible system and any expansion upon it is a terrible idea.

Do you really think something as minor as this is going to stop goldsellers? Or do you not understand that the spam-bot accounts are not paid accounts but temporary or trial accounts, accounts with no value and losing them means nothing to goldsellers? Or is protecting your oh so valuable trade channel free from the ultra annoying goldseller spam (regular trade is certainly not annoying in the slightest, nope, not at all) worth creating an abusive system that goes against the base operating procedures for GM's and Support? Or is it that people can spend real money to get vanity items faster pisses you off that much that you become blind to everything else?

Rekliss

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Sep 2009

[SMF]

04 Oct 2009 at 17:13 - 23

the first line you typed proved you don't read. wow.

a goldseller isnt going to report an account ban. A genuine account owner would. At which point a review of the ban would happen. Please read, the nice people all across the US pay taxes so you can go to school to learn how; I suggest you undertake the task.

BlueXIV

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Mar 2006

CA

N/

04 Oct 2009 at 18:12 - 24

Personally, I have to agree with RD, I would much rather have spammers which I can block out by turning off All Chat than have to UNBAN my account because some tards decides to report me.

I don't want a review of my ban when it happens, I never want it to happen in the first place.

harpharp

Academy Page

Join Date: Apr 2009

07 Oct 2009 at 12:27 - 25

i agree with OP

ignore list would be a good feature but hmm theres a limit to how many people you can ignore and i am one of those who has a full list

plus i personally cbb abt gold sellers spamming anyway

there are more impt stuff for me to worry abt.. and i don't think anet will just ban someone a/c for no good reason tho so yea /signed.

killerbot3009

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Oct 2007

the beaster

the Gold Fish [GOLD]

W/

13 Oct 2009 at 10:00 - 26

every time i get Pmed/ see a gold seller, they are lvl 1 and probs have trial accounts, so this wont really help much, but nice idea.