Are religion-based guilds offensive to you?

-Makai-

-Makai-

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

WA

DH

Rt/

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Originally Posted by Reformed View Post
No more offended than when they are dragged into the wikis or it's presented anywhere else generally secular. I say either let them all in or exclude them all. Piecemeal handling of these things because it's "cool" to be anti-Christian right now in the west is at best hypocrisy if not blatant intolerance. This is a lot like politics though...as the saying goes it's best to avoid it in polite company.

You, sir or madam, receive my "best Guru post of 2009" award. Also, props to everyone who has commented, as I expected this to devolve into a "my dad can beat yours" mud pit.

Anyhow, religious guilds don't offend me at all...to each his own. I will give them respect for their bravery, though, as the Internet is a haven of religious intolerance.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
In the US, for example, the majority of people call themselves Christian, and yet from that majority still comes most of the violent criminals.
What do you mean, and yet? As far as I can see, they're just doing what their book tells them.

Captain Bulldozer

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner View Post
What you are saying is far too general and incredibly wrong. You do realize when you are talking about 'all faiths', that religion and morals vary between a cultural societies? For instance, western society is based on a judo-christian morally based system - it has just evolved over time with many individuals changing it into what it is today. Our own understanding and thought is from a western social understanding of ethics and morals which are governed by a very Judo-Christian set based concepts, of either compassion, goodness and evil. But it is wrong to group all religions, as if they all share the same moral code of conduct.
What I said about all faiths is that, essentially, there are people in every faith that are xenophobic, ethnocentric and ignorant to the point that they believe their own system is good and all or most other systems are not. Those people should pull their heads out of their asses.

While its true that much of modern moral standard (not just in the West mind you) has roots in the Judeo-Christian tradition, it would be really wrong to say that only people of Christian faith follow those standards. To be fair, the Judeo-Christian tradition evolved from earlier belief systems, and so it isn't quite fair to even give them credit (much of the old Testament, for example is a retelling of earlier moral stories from a host of other cultures and religions, and much of the new testament was heavily influenced by Greek, Roman and Egyptian traditions, as well as other Middle-Eastern and Eastern philosophies). The world has become such an interconnected place that few real differences in Morality still exist between the major religions, or of people who claim no religious preference. This is not because Christianity won out against the others, far from it. Its really because certain beliefs are common to most or all societies in the world naturally speaking (Read John Locke, David Hume, Confucius, Lao Tze, Thucydides, Jean Jacques Rousseau and virtually every major thinker from virtually every religious faith). Long before there was any form of organized religion, there were accepted standards of behavior which are not entirely different from our current standards. Religion became a tool by which those standards were taught and questions, largely because humanity at large did not posses the educational faculties which the modern world enjoys. Even though most religions are still a good tool for teaching these standards of behavior, they are no longer essential to doing so.

Fay Vert

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2006

R/

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Originally Posted by Beta Sprite View Post
This is what I was thinking: When I saw the advertisement for a Christian guild, I assumed that it would mostly just want its members to avoid using profanity, being disrespectful, or trying to rip each other off.
So your assumption is Christian = good, non-Christian = not so good.

That's pretty offensive to non-Christians. Christian means following the religion of Christ, to assume anything else is naive/arrogant/foolish/bigoted/ignorant, pick one or more.

DreamWind

DreamWind

Forge Runner

Join Date: Oct 2006

E/Mo

Yawn. Just another religious vs antireligious thread. You know...those things that clog the internet with absolutely ridiculous and useless posts. Please lock this thread.

Darth The Xx

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jul 2008

Sen'jin Village

The Infamous Cake Bandits [cake]

Mo/W

I think both parties are at fault here, by actively saying you're a Christian guild you are providing a source of conflict for douche bags to take advantage of. If you want the values just make some simple guild rules, I find it hard to believe any of these guilds actively discuss the bible 24/7 when playing GW

Gun Pierson

Gun Pierson

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2006

Belgium

PIMP

Mo/

You boys and girls should know better than to discuss religion on a games forum.

/lock

Rocky Raccoon

Rocky Raccoon

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2007

Massachusetts, USA

Guardians of the Cosmos

R/Mo

I just say live and let live, just play the game and have fun.

Snograt

Snograt

rattus rattus

Join Date: Jan 2006

London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST

[GURU]GW [wiki]GW2

R/

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Originally Posted by Painbringer View Post
Does walking by a temple or church bother you?
No. Unless the priest/vicar/rabbi/other is standing on the steps shouting at people.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk View Post
What do you mean, and yet? As far as I can see, they're just doing what their book tells them.
That's not quite true now, is it?
I mean they aren't selling their daughters into slavery.


Quote:
/lock
/pointandlaugh

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir View Post
That's not quite true now, is it?
I mean they aren't selling their daughters into slavery.
Crap, I forgot that part

Sifow Chan

Sifow Chan

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2007

P/

I have deeper issues with religion than just bringing it into a game considering I'm homosexual...however I won't get into my biased opinion there and just get onto the topic...

If people want to join a guild for a religion, have fun I guess...I could care less.

Unless they start pushing their beliefs on people in the game, then I don't care what they do. If they start bringing their beliefs in public chats then it will become a problem.

Lihinel

Lihinel

Academy Page

Join Date: Dec 2007

E/

Quote:
Originally Posted by DreamRunner View Post
For instance, western society is based on a judo-christian morally based system - it has just evolved over time with many individuals changing it into what it is today.
Bullshit.

Unless by evolved you mean the abolishment of said traditions by draging those misogonistic delusioned slavetrading anti-intelectuals into modernity and secularism while they did their best to avoid it, kicking and screaming along the way.

And your "judo-christian" slang is a post WWII creation intended to make the guys seem all buddy buddy despide a long history of hatred between those two groups.

Arkantos

Arkantos

The Greatest

Join Date: Feb 2006

W/

Religion discussions on a gaming forum (let alone the internet)....don't go so well, and never have here.