So the thread was closed and could not make any comment there but here's some food for thought.
I've never actually done the UWSC myself because I don't have a sin, but reading that thread made me immediately think: *e-sport*.
Are people making an e-sport out of UWSC and are setting records and trying to get after the records and get better and better? Might it be that GW managed to become an e-sport to some extent in the least expected area: PvE, instead of doing so in PvP?
And is this "PvE turning into an e-sport" trend only possible when ANet does not mess around with their nerfing stick giving players enough time and consistency to get used to a build and a zone to the point where slowly getting better becomes being a pro at it and therefore having better and better performance, just like sports? Would this have happened in the past as well only if ANet would have used their nerf stick a lot less often?
And lastly if people go for records and such in the least expected place apparently (PvE), doesn't that mean: they have *fun* playing a sport and being better/the best?
And even: shouldn't ANet harvest that and actually support/implement a system where UW clears are timed and there would be a best-ever, best last-month, best-last week ladder? Would that be fun?
I'm not trying to take sides in a "nerf SF" discussion, but I just wondered if the above have been considered when talking about that nerf and I also very much doubt (like I've always had) the utility of the nerf system in general for PvE.
Re: [UWSC] 7 Minutes Record - birth of an e-sport?
Test Me
obsidian ectoplasm
Nerf shadow form. kthxbye
Songbringer
The thread was closed for obvious reasons.
Lets close this to
Lets close this to
M @ T
These kind of threads usually end up in flames. No matter how well thought out or how pure your intensions are Test Me, you'll see that there is no point discussing this.
Andemius
Imo when you get UW cleared in 7 mins something's wrong.
Don't Nerf SF, it's a good running skill.
Make Changes to UW so it's not anywhere near as easy for SF players. Signets and Non-Target skills pl0x.
Don't Nerf SF, it's a good running skill.
Make Changes to UW so it's not anywhere near as easy for SF players. Signets and Non-Target skills pl0x.
Faure
kupp
Even as a running skill, NO! Even with dealing no damage, NO! That's not how you deal with it and even like it it would still be overpowered for some reasons. Also, Anet doesn't support 'running' so the ods of this are slim.
I'm sick of all of this and all the arguments to try and save it. Just nerf it to oblivion and make a functional elite skill like every other in the game by taking the invulnurability part and changing it's funcion, if not it'll be abused even if for the more trivial things. Just let it go ffs.
@ OP, exagerating much? PvE into e-sport? That would be ridiculous for the simple fact that Elite areas can't be be cleared in 7 minutes, and the very idea of competition in pve is absurd, competition is always found against other players. So when the lowest possible time is achieved, what next? This looks more to me like a +1 thread disguised as an intelligent discussion tbh.
I'm sick of all of this and all the arguments to try and save it. Just nerf it to oblivion and make a functional elite skill like every other in the game by taking the invulnurability part and changing it's funcion, if not it'll be abused even if for the more trivial things. Just let it go ffs.
@ OP, exagerating much? PvE into e-sport? That would be ridiculous for the simple fact that Elite areas can't be be cleared in 7 minutes, and the very idea of competition in pve is absurd, competition is always found against other players. So when the lowest possible time is achieved, what next? This looks more to me like a +1 thread disguised as an intelligent discussion tbh.
~ Dan ~
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Originally Posted by Andemius
Imo when you get UW cleared in 7 mins something's wrong.
Don't Nerf SF, it's a good running skill.
Make Changes to UW so it's not anywhere near as easy for SF players. Signets and Non-Target skills pl0x. Hi. You represent the retard portion of the GW playerbase. Stop posting.
If you have to redesign a whole area because one skill makes it too easy, maybe that skill is actually overpowered?
I hope anet hurrys up with this nerf or removal, as i'm getting bored of seeing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing threads about SF. But then again we'll see even more after from people crying that their farm build is ruined.
Don't Nerf SF, it's a good running skill.
Make Changes to UW so it's not anywhere near as easy for SF players. Signets and Non-Target skills pl0x. Hi. You represent the retard portion of the GW playerbase. Stop posting.
If you have to redesign a whole area because one skill makes it too easy, maybe that skill is actually overpowered?
I hope anet hurrys up with this nerf or removal, as i'm getting bored of seeing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing threads about SF. But then again we'll see even more after from people crying that their farm build is ruined.
subarucar
There are best Monthly, Weekly, etc scores for challenge missions, I see only one problem with including these for UW/DoA/etc.
That is nerf/buffs, you can clear UW in 7 mins now, then SF gets nerfed, and no new OP builds come, you have a pretty secure hold of the record, although I suppose that what having different time periods (Daily, monthly ever, etc) are for.
That is nerf/buffs, you can clear UW in 7 mins now, then SF gets nerfed, and no new OP builds come, you have a pretty secure hold of the record, although I suppose that what having different time periods (Daily, monthly ever, etc) are for.
Akaraxle
PvE e-sports? DOES... NOT... COMPUTE... RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO
P.S. Yes, I actually swore to make the RED ENGINE GO spam appear.
P.S. Yes, I actually swore to make the RED ENGINE GO spam appear.
own age myname
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Originally Posted by ~ Dan ~
Hi. You represent the retard portion of the GW playerbase. Stop posting.
If you have to redesign a whole area because one skill makes it too easy, maybe that skill is actually overpowered?
I hope anet hurrys up with this nerf or removal, as i'm getting bored of seeing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing threads about SF. But then again we'll see even more after from people crying that their farm build is ruined. Don't worry, terratanks are going to be the new UWSC. So, redesigning the UW isn't a bad idea, because with the many cons we have around there are going to be builds sprouting after builds.
OT:
I don't think making into PvE an e-sport is a good idea. If you want anet to have esport, do some more PvP tournies.
If you have to redesign a whole area because one skill makes it too easy, maybe that skill is actually overpowered?
I hope anet hurrys up with this nerf or removal, as i'm getting bored of seeing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing threads about SF. But then again we'll see even more after from people crying that their farm build is ruined. Don't worry, terratanks are going to be the new UWSC. So, redesigning the UW isn't a bad idea, because with the many cons we have around there are going to be builds sprouting after builds.
OT:
I don't think making into PvE an e-sport is a good idea. If you want anet to have esport, do some more PvP tournies.
Daldaen
Just make Shadow Form like Obsidian Flesh, add the movement component to it and that is fine. No more 7min clears once that is implemented. And if you have run with any PuGs recently, the teams will fall apart running up mountains. They even get in the aggro bubble of a charged, they freak out and /ragequit. I think the decreased movement component would be a great addition!
Andemius
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Mayhaps other measures such as health or energy degen when under effects of SF??
I think UWSC needs to be stopped and SF is the key skill, but i don't think nerfing it into oblivion is the answer.
Rekliss
well when you nerf stuff like raptors, and make the drops crap, or severely reduce them... they move on to something else to make money, you kill one evil only to bring another.
So what, now we nerf the UW, and move on to something else, then nerf that? then the next, then another, and another, and another until the only thing left to do is /quit and start playing another game. Yes, bright idea, lets kill everything and see where we are when the dust settles.
P.S. I love to hear the guys who dont have a perma-sin (or who arent good at it) bitch and whine about what they can and cant do. get a life.
So what, now we nerf the UW, and move on to something else, then nerf that? then the next, then another, and another, and another until the only thing left to do is /quit and start playing another game. Yes, bright idea, lets kill everything and see where we are when the dust settles.
P.S. I love to hear the guys who dont have a perma-sin (or who arent good at it) bitch and whine about what they can and cant do. get a life.
ImDReaperslash
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Radiation Field will still be effective.
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P.S. I love to hear the guys who dont have a perma-sin (or who arent good at it) bitch and whine about what they can and cant do. get a life.
You are such a pro.
Cracko
right missmelady, dont lie about your 7 year old brother, cmon.
Killerminds
no
nerf SF kthxbai
Shayne Hawke
Christ...
You are using an overpowered skill to perform a meaningless feat. Your record only means something if you can pull it off consistently. i.e. 100 times in a row. If you're able to do that, that's even more reason that the skill is overpowered and your achievement is ridiculous. The first thread is gone, the second thread is locked, and you still want to talk about this? Learn your place. Guru is sick of hearing about this. And a big "LOL" at PvE ever being up for consideration as an e-sport.
Fleeting
Isn't there a banning clause for reposting a locked thread?
Ccat
Show Some Skin
The mods should make it if you use "shadow form" or "sf" your post gets automatically deleted. Im sure everyone is tired of hearing about SF already, just use ur overpowered skill till it gets nerfed and spot posting about this stuff plz
Sparkmaster25
oh my god I'm so sick of all these threads turning into a shadow form bitch fest.
Cracko
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Originally Posted by majikmajikmajik
i guess on topic:: Its cool that people can run a certain area fast, but wasnt the e-sport started with how fast you can beat an ENTIRE game? no. think of CS, warcraft, etc.
Silent Enemy
Wether those who dislike shadowform , and hopes it gets nerfed - likes it or not,
the community is split in 4 , pvp'ers who plays and create inovative new ways after each update , who plays for the thrill , exitement and competitive side . then you got the other side - who whines and complains in a never ending river of tears. now , weve all known - and accepted that , for years with guildwars as our favorite game - why ? because thats just the state of play in this game , now as i said , the community is split in 4 - the other two , being the PvE community (yes pvp'ers i know you dont like we exist. but we do, deal with it) On one hand - we have those who wants to play the game as originally intended , quest together - and do missions, loot , farm . and showoff their latest new ''gold drop''. by all means , this is good . and this side allso has a hunger for creating new and exiting way's of doing everything in the game . on the other hand - we have the speed hungry community , I for one - am one of these people , I've played guildwars since the release of factions . i hopped on , ocationally to play some guildwars , and waste a few hours of my life - whenever bored , UNTILL. speedclears started . now - speedclears started WAY before shadowform got buffed, before ursan . well - before all that . [agro] started doing speed clears with the release of factions at hand - they started destroying ''The Deep''. [KaiZ] started doing speed clears of DoA with the openeing of DoA, so as weve cleared out now - speed clears have existed for a long time. yet - we who find fun times - and competition in clearing elite areas - zones, hell - even quests and missions in the FASTEST possible way. are NOT getting acknowledged by all those who DISLIKES speed clears, we DO exist - and wether or not shadow form is overpowered and wtf not, the point of this thread was to raise the question DO WE NEED RECOGNITION! . and the answer is yes, so to all of you out there who are NOT a part of the speed hungry community - those of you who does NOT find speed clears a fun addition - and competitive record hunters a real part of the game ? - stop trolling these threads , go play the game as YOU want too - we arrent telling you what not to do , and whats stupid and overpowered . mind your own play style , - Tears
Siirius Black
Ah man,
Why do these treads always have to come up? Some of the posters above are right. There are different kinds of players in GuildWars and right now the hype is SC. There will always be people wining about speed clears. It does not matter if they nerf SF (Which I'm totally against it) they will always complain. SC community will find another way to speedclear and I bet again, the complains will start poping up again nerf that skill, nerf this, nerf that, because I dont do it or done it enough that I have enough ecto's, etc Guild Wars 1 has a limited life span now that GW2 is so close to be released. I bet that most of the people playing GW1 will move to GW2. At the most, this game has about 2 years or less before everyone moves to GW2. I If you keep playing GW1 it will be because you want to unlock something in gw2 before then. Right now SC and PvP are what is left of this game. I do PvE to Vanquish and to help guild members on their quests, but mostly keep myself to SC and PvP. This is all that is left of this game. I started since Prophecies was released like many of you. Just close this tread and let people move on. ANET if you read this, just a note. The reason that most of my Guild and some of my friends are still here and that actually came back to the game was because of the Speed Clears. If you nerf skills to avoid that you are going to loose quite a few players. ~ Dan ~
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oh my god I'm so sick of all these threads turning into a shadow form bitch fest.
What else is there to bitch about in an SF thread?
Deakon
Just make it so that any single character can only do UW once per 24 hours.
Calista Blackblood
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Isn't there a banning clause for reposting a locked thread?
Yes but IIRC the original thread was by a different OP...
Guru has seen and been through enough of these threads already.They achieve nothing other than giving the moderator +1 to their monthly stats. For the +1 I thank you 
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