Festival Farming Raptors or Vaettir?

Andemius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Vanguard's Last Stand [Hero]

07 Oct 2009 at 15:26 - 1

Hey all.

What with Halloween coming up I'm trying for fast farm builds to get as much stuff as I can.

Currently, the best I can do (kills/mintue rate) is 60 every 7mins with vaettir farm (not unlike the one which was posted here recently)

However, W/N Raptor farm is supposedly very very fast and it's something like 25 kills/1minute.

I haven't managed to get W/N to work yet, but im assured by everyone that it's fast.

Which you think would be best? (also if you have any better/faster ideas please share

)

Thanks.

CronkTheImpaler

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2006

midwest

W/Me

07 Oct 2009 at 16:10 - 2

Vaettirs over time are better i think. Problem is the storage issue. you run out of space QUICKLY.

Raptors is right outside the door and you have the benefit of the merchant right there.

As for speed kills/min, i think the raptor farm is much faster despite the incredible boring nature of the run. I havent got the W/N to work for me either but ive seen it run by and experienced player and it is brutully fast. I will get that one workin.

Cronk

Andemius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Vanguard's Last Stand [Hero]

07 Oct 2009 at 16:20 - 3

I'm not too worried about space, as im gonna be doing this mainly for the ToT bags. I mean if i do get lots of golds ill pick em up, but storage don't worry me too much.

Just had another bash at W/N and it's still iffy :S

David Atkinson

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Oct 2009

Dragon Of Sunset

07 Oct 2009 at 16:25 - 4

W/N raptors is 33 kills + a boss in 44 seconds. I say its the fastest farm out right now.

I can show you two how it works if you want, just message me ingame

<--IGN

drunk n angry

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2009

in a quiet little town that i love.

Ancient Dragoons [AGED]

07 Oct 2009 at 17:22 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by CronkTheImpaler

Vaettirs over time are better i think. Problem is the storage issue. you run out of space QUICKLY.

Cronk quick solution for that mate. clear your inven out prior to the run there> get a heavy pack and bring merch summoners. all the inven you need you for a long couple hours worth of farming

. happy Halloween everyone!

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

07 Oct 2009 at 17:39 - 6

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Originally Posted by David Atkinson

W/N raptors is 33 kills + a boss in 44 seconds. I say its the fastest farm out right now. They're the fastest, but I've never seen one 44secs fast - from zoning out for one run, to zoning out for the next run. Average seems more like 1:10 or more... but that's only what I've seen when leeching. Maybe my runners have all been rubbish?

Eduhard

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Dec 2007

X Knock Out X [KO]

Me/

07 Oct 2009 at 17:40 - 7

The run is like 60 seconds, just go town > sell > run > gogogo....

Btw, I still get more golds with vaettirs than with raptors, and have been doing both for months...23 black and 38 white dyes also...

impulsion

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Sep 2008

Terra Noise [Zraw]

N/A

07 Oct 2009 at 22:32 - 8

Raptors including merch stops + zoning etc. should average out at around 34kills every 1 min 15-20 secs. Not including zoning times you are looking at around 1min for 34kills.

Kael Tytn

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

ZoS

08 Oct 2009 at 00:02 - 9

heya, yeah W/N is by far better for quickness/amount of drops per minutes

P.s can anyone show me how to vatteir farm?? pm me ig on Zico Garincha

Thanks

-Zico-

drunknzelda

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2006

Time For Plan B [RUN]

E/Me

08 Oct 2009 at 07:19 - 10

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

08 Oct 2009 at 08:07 - 11

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Originally Posted by drunknzelda

Going for Vaettir, it's faster for me than Raptors cause i use candies to get around Obsidian Flesh slowdown, farming with 33% IMS is fun and so are instant casts. Also, raptors seem to drop crap and Vaettir are always nice to me ^^ Using consumables when farming... just seems wrong to me. I want to pile up consumables for regular play, not use them up while farming :-D

Raptors drop nicely for me, on average. Good for martial weapons and mods, and salvaging dust and iron*. Vaettirs dropped nicely for me in the past too, and are good for caster weapons and mods.

But we're talking about festival farming here... and I think Raptors win for event items.

*Save any "Measure for Measure" inscriptions, put them on gold Great Conches or Stilettos that are worth over 350 gold at the merch (without "show me the money!" inscription). Then salvage. You can get well over half a stack of dust from a Great Conch, and a quarter stack of iron from Stilettos. The higher the merch value, the more materials you get when salvaging.

Andemius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Vanguard's Last Stand [Hero]

08 Oct 2009 at 08:26 - 12

Thanks all.

I think i'll go with W/N farm, seems to be the faster.

Quote:

P.s can anyone show me how to vatteir farm?? pm me ig on Zico Garincha If you have'nt already been shown, ill PM ya in game.

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

08 Oct 2009 at 08:32 - 13

For festival i think raptors are better , but if you also want drops Vaettirs are a little more profitable . Ofc with slow killing speed ....

damkel

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2005

08 Oct 2009 at 10:16 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kael Tytn

heya, yeah W/N is by far better for quickness/amount of drops per minutes

P.s can anyone show me how to vatteir farm?? pm me ig on Zico Garincha

Thanks

-Zico- Lol!!! You said raptor farm is faster and with better drops, but you don't know how the Vaettir farm works?

Over time Vaettirs net more profit since you get better drops (because you're not insta-killing them all at once).

Raptors are better for farming event items (since event items are not affected by the loot/scaling or anti-farm code or whatever).

Spiritz

Forge Runner

Join Date: Apr 2007

DMFC

08 Oct 2009 at 10:47 - 15

Why or Why do we at comming events get the same threads appearing with same questions - is it possible to get a simple sticky up just stating both are used for event farming.That should hopefully cut down on these threads which usually get closed - i swear in the next few weeks theres going to be at least 1 of these started daily and same amount closed for various reasons.
Soz to seem a bit of a downer but it does get tiresome after a while and im sure the mods also hate event posts as they have to close so many

Andemius

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2008

Vanguard's Last Stand [Hero]

08 Oct 2009 at 12:53 - 16

Quote:

Over time Vaettirs net more profit since you get better drops (because you're not insta-killing them all at once).

The build i used kills them all at the same time, so there would be no difference for the two builds.

Also I have looked at wiki and I couldn't find any evidence that "intsa-killing" gives any better or worse drops than killing one at once.

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Raptors are better for farming event items (since event items are not affected by the loot/scaling or anti-farm code or whatever). Yeah, that's why im looking for kills rather than loot.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

08 Oct 2009 at 13:55 - 17

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Originally Posted by Andemius View Post

Also I have looked at wiki and I couldn't find any evidence that "intsa-killing" gives any better or worse drops than killing one at once. Cast your net further than just wiki... Try this

ll Jamie ll

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2009

Devon, England.

Desolation Lords [DL]

E/Mo

08 Oct 2009 at 15:21 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by drunknzelda

Going for Vaettir, it's faster for me than Raptors cause i use candies to get around Obsidian Flesh slowdown, farming with 33% IMS is fun and so are instant casts. Also, raptors seem to drop crap and Vaettir are always nice to me ^^ Yeah, i found that with vaetiir's they almost always drop at least 4-5+ festival items per group, raptors i always get crap.

So yeah, myself i would farm vaetiir's, bring merch summons

~Jamie

raddish

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2009

The Rejected Sins [SOF]

A/P

11 Oct 2009 at 20:55 - 19

Before budger blackpowder was nerfed, vaettirs was better handsdown. Now that u have to go a/me echo sf with caller skills, its way slower. doing hm raptors with w/n i can get 33-34 kills every 60 seconds. using the vaettir farm, i struggle at 60 in 4 mins. raptors wins handsdown. and with raptors, u can easily access storage/meerchant. you also have the chance at elite assassin tomes.

Loot Junkie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

in a utopian dream

clan dethryche[dth]

14 Oct 2009 at 03:46 - 20

When I use an A/Me I can go in, kill the northern 36 vaettirs, pick up my drops and go out the portal for a total time of 2 minutes 10 seconds per cycle. Damage skills are Ether, CoP, LoD.

Zodiak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Gatineau, Qc, Canada

Kiss of Anguish [KISS]

P/W

15 Oct 2009 at 18:21 - 21

To me, Vaettir Farming is the better of the two options. Halloween aside, you get:
Holiday Items More golds than you can shake a stick at *Shakes stick* See? Glacial Stones (Secondary source of income @ 7-10k per 100 Heaps of Norn Reputation Preparations:
Empty your Inventory Grab a Heavy Equipment Pack (It only holds weapons and armor but becomes incredibly handy) Grab your Mercantile Summoning Stones Running Multi Loaders and bringing a Mule with you will solve any inventory issues and make getting back to the portal instantaneous

Strife17

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2008

Mo/

15 Oct 2009 at 19:21 - 22

farming is boring.

so switch between those 2 farms.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

15 Oct 2009 at 19:45 - 23

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Originally Posted by Zodiak View Post

Halloween aside

Er.. see the thread title? This thread is about Festival farming eg. Halloween...

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Originally Posted by Zodiak

Loot Junkie

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jan 2007

in a utopian dream

clan dethryche[dth]

15 Oct 2009 at 21:47 - 24

Hissy I will have to respectfully disagree with you a little bit here on one point, the gold items. Whenever I farm vaettirs I usually get anywhere from 1-3 golds per run from killing the northern mob of 36, I do not get as many golds from the raptors. Other than conches, raptors do not seem to drop alot of caster weapons whereas vaettirs drop all kinds of staves, wands and focus items, as well as swords, axes and shields. Selling staff wrappings of enchanting for 5k, "Aptitude not Attitude" inscriptions for 5k and "Forget me Not" inscriptions for 20-25k is a nice side benefit from vaettir farming.

Zodiak

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2005

Gatineau, Qc, Canada

Kiss of Anguish [KISS]

P/W

15 Oct 2009 at 23:12 - 25

Yes, vaettir farming in my opinion is superior to raptor farming in every way and if your lucky to be able to use a multi loader and bring a mule along, you can increase the run speeds and virtually not have to go back, not untill both players are knee deep in halloween items, golds and glacial stones anyways.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

15 Oct 2009 at 23:33 - 26

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Originally Posted by Loot Junkie View Post

I haven't farmed Vaettirs since the keg nerf - but when I did, the number of golds/hour I got was worse than Raptors.

Currently, I typically fill my inventory in 25-30 minutes of Raptor farming, and there's usually 5-15 golds amongst the loot. And some gold scrolls, and a bunch of blue scrolls. Vaettirs may give more, but Raptors still drop plenty. And when event items are dropping I don't care about gold items anyway.

Mind you, it could be that the type of build makes a difference - kegs killed many at once. Like when I leech W/N raptor farmers - all Raptors die at once and their drops seem pretty poor. Whereas my E/Me, although 10-15 seconds slower than W/N, seems to get a lot more loot (one-at-a-time kills from Sliver armour).

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Originally Posted by Loot Junkie

Other than conches, raptors do not seem to drop alot of caster weapons whereas vaettirs drop all kinds of staves, wands and focus items, as well as swords, axes and shields. Selling staff wrappings of enchanting for 5k, "Aptitude not Attitude" inscriptions for 5k and "Forget me Not" inscriptions for 20-25k is a nice side benefit from vaettir farming. That's right - Raptors only drop martial weapons. Definitely farm Vaettirs if you want caster weapons and mods.

The thing is... in my opinion, whatever regular drops you get from Vaettirs - they won't make up for the lower amount of event items at times like Halloween.

The trade value of items/mods means little to me anyway. I don't have much use for cash these days, and trading is unbearable. I farm for weapons/mods to use myself and event items that are useful, like Pumpkin Pies, Cupcakes, etc. I merch everything I can't use/salvage - the cash and progress in Wisdom is just gravy.

Hooded Doom

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Jul 2007

IGN : Hooded Lfg Uwsc, Il H O O D E D Il

someones mad.

15 Oct 2009 at 23:54 - 27

So what do we farm with now? ij havent run vaettirs since keg nerf, anyone got a build?