A zaishen coin vendor

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Winterclaw
Winterclaw
Wark!!!
#1
Since right now z-coins are the only way to get the good equipment packs to hold armor and the only way to get them is to grind it out slowly with the quests (can't buy them from players), I thought it would be a nice alternative to have a vendor who sells them.

At:
10gp / copper
500gp / silver
5k / gold

Some of the items you could get from the zaishen traders would be equivalent to the gold cost to acquire them normally and others might need to be tweaked up or down.
Chronos the Defiler
Chronos the Defiler
Desert Nomad
#2
no...

You can buy equipment packs I think, and why would we need something like this implemented.

You can buy small packs from vendors, buy larger ones from players, and the quests/rewards offer a time-sink until GW2.

EZ-Mode suggestions should be deleted on sight :/
Winterclaw
Winterclaw
Wark!!!
#3
Players want way too much most of the time because it takes so long to get them. Also when you trade between players, the money is still in the economy making it worthless. Add a 75k money sink that most people who have money would get and others would save up for and you've just helped the economy by that much.
Captain Bulldozer
Captain Bulldozer
Wilds Pathfinder
#4
It really doesn't take the long to get the good stuff by just doing the quests. I have already gotten 7 Heavy packs jst by playing a few hours a day. I have 10 chars, so whenever a particularly easy quest (like a time for Heroes for example) comes up, I just slam through it on all 10 chars. I usually can get a heavy pack every week or 2 if I try (some times I blow it off) and that's entirely without doing PvP quests or resigning because I'm red.

So in short, there is absolutely no reason why there should be a vendor, especially not at the incredibly low prices you suggest.
b
betrayal
Ascalonian Squire
#5
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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
It really doesn't take the long to get the good stuff by just doing the quests. I have already gotten 7 Heavy packs jst by playing a few hours a day. I have 10 chars, so whenever a particularly easy quest (like a time for Heroes for example) comes up, I just slam through it on all 10 chars. I usually can get a heavy pack every week or 2 if I try (some times I blow it off) and that's entirely without doing PvP quests or resigning because I'm red.

So in short, there is absolutely no reason why there should be a vendor, especially not at the incredibly low prices you suggest.
I agree, it doesn't take long to get heavy pack at all. Not to mention people will start buying zkeys through vendor (coins from vendor so..).
Vdawg1337
Vdawg1337
Ascalonian Squire
#6
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Originally Posted by betrayal View Post
I agree, it doesn't take long to get heavy pack at all. Not to mention people will start buying zkeys through vendor (coins from vendor so..).
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If people use coins to start buying zkeys than the price of them will be even lower, /notsigned b/c the economy in Guild Wars is allready effed up enough.
Operative 14
Operative 14
Forge Runner
#7
How would buying Z-keys at 5k from the vendor lower their price? If anything it would raise it because the price would be set, like lockpicks are.

On one hand I'm not the kind of person that likes to grind for this stuff. I agree with this suggestion simply because the idea of having to get all of those Z-coins is an idea I absolutely abhor. I would like the idea of simply buying it - for gold - through playing the way I want to instead of playing the missions that have been deemed worthy. I don't like having to grind for yet another currency because the old currency was tossed aside. Worse yet, the Z-coins actually hurt the economy because they don't take gold out of circulation, they actually add to it because of the play associate with getting them, so it's compounding the issue it was trying to work around in the first place.

On the other hand I can see the idea of wanting to keep the heavy equipment packs rare. The idea of just going to a merchant and buying one seems a little anticlimactic (for lack of a better term). And also, trying to keep them rare so that the extra storage doesn't strain the servers.

I have to agree with this idea, but I think the prices would need to be adjusted to a higher level. Or, better yet, make the Z-coins (or the larger equipment packs for that matter) craftable objects from some obscure collector.

/signed
HawkofStorms
HawkofStorms
Hall Hero
#8
/notsigned x a million

This would defeat the entire point of having z-quests.
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Darth The Xx
Wilds Pathfinder
#9
Sounds like somebody can't be assed actually doing the quests and would rather farm to get the coins way faster, and easier.

Also gives advantages to the already rich people, where by making the coins untradable everybody is on equal footing.

/notsigned
Shayne Hawke
Shayne Hawke
Departed from Tyria
#10
I would love to have something like this, because it would mean that I wouldn't have to waste my time trudging through each Z-Quest that comes up every day.

And for that exact reason, /notsigned. Z-Quests would be rendered insignificant.
Z
Zahr Dalsk
Grotto Attendant
#11
/signed for good idea.
upier
upier
Grotto Attendant
#12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darth The Xx View Post
Sounds like somebody can't be assed actually doing the quests and would rather farm to get the coins way faster, and easier.

/notsigned
Please explain to me how doing the same ZQuests over and over and over isn't EXACTLY like farming them?


I approve of this idea.
I want more packs, but if ZQuests stay the only way to get them from a NPC then I'll just wait till their price drops and I'll buy them in Kama. There is really only so many times I can kill the same boss or do the missions in HM before I get bored out of my mind.
MagmaRed
MagmaRed
Furnace Stoker
#13
Upier, that is when you stop playing PvE and move to PvP. People who have done things so much they dont' want to do them anymore shouldn't be doing them at all. If you want things in the game, there are options for getting them. Either earn your zcoins yourself, or buy what you want to trade the zcoins for from another player. The economy already sucks, this would make it swallow as well.
XMadness
XMadness
Academy Page
#14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Operative 14 View Post
How would buying Z-keys at 5k from the vendor lower their price? If anything it would raise it because the price would be set, like lockpicks are.

On one hand I'm not the kind of person that likes to grind for this stuff. I agree with this suggestion simply because the idea of having to get all of those Z-coins is an idea I absolutely abhor. I would like the idea of simply buying it - for gold - through playing the way I want to instead of playing the missions that have been deemed worthy. I don't like having to grind for yet another currency because the old currency was tossed aside. Worse yet, the Z-coins actually hurt the economy because they don't take gold out of circulation, they actually add to it because of the play associate with getting them, so it's compounding the issue it was trying to work around in the first place.

On the other hand I can see the idea of wanting to keep the heavy equipment packs rare. The idea of just going to a merchant and buying one seems a little anticlimactic (for lack of a better term). And also, trying to keep them rare so that the extra storage doesn't strain the servers.

I have to agree with this idea, but I think the prices would need to be adjusted to a higher level. Or, better yet, make the Z-coins (or the larger equipment packs for that matter) craftable objects from some obscure collector.

/signed
I don't think he was refering to juzt Z Coins. Prices in tomes would drop, Z Keys will be dropped and anything else affected by the Z Coins will drop.
Yawgmoth
Yawgmoth
Furnace Stoker
#15
This would completely kill the point of Z-Quests as gold is just much easier to get in other ways. And if the prices were higher then just nobody would use them. It's a lose-lose situation = plain bad suggestion.
If you don't like the z-quests all of the rewards are available on the free market. This is not a good way to add goldsinks.
/notsigned
Karate Jesus
Karate Jesus
Forge Runner
#16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw View Post
Since right now z-coins are the only way to get the good equipment packs to hold armor and the only way to get them is to grind it out slowly with the quests (can't buy them from players), I thought it would be a nice alternative to have a vendor who sells them.

At:
10gp / copper
500gp / silver
5k / gold

Some of the items you could get from the zaishen traders would be equivalent to the gold cost to acquire them normally and others might need to be tweaked up or down.
75k for a Rainbow Phoenix. Awesome.

5k per elite tome. Also awesome.
HawkofStorms
HawkofStorms
Hall Hero
#17
Quote:
Originally Posted by XMadness View Post
I don't think he was refering to juzt Z Coins. Prices in tomes would drop, Z Keys will be dropped and anything else affected by the Z Coins will drop.
Exactly. You could literally buy several titles, including skill hunter. Even if you don't have the skills unlocked, you can buy flames of Balthazar with zcoins and then buy the elite tomes. Bad bad bad idea.

The reason zoins can't be traded is to prevent the rich in the game from cornering the market like they do with ectos and z-keys. Zoins allow the "GW poor" to get decent rewards and work on reputation titles via the quests.
E
Evil Eye
Lion's Arch Merchant
#18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate Jesus View Post
75k for a Rainbow Phoenix. Awesome.

5k per elite tome. Also awesome.
2 gold coins times 5k = 5 k? whatttttttttttt
Karate Jesus
Karate Jesus
Forge Runner
#19
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Originally Posted by Evil Eye View Post
2 gold coins times 5k = 5 k? whatttttttttttt
Ups, my bad. You're right. Still, Rainbow Phoenix = 15k. Nice.
Eragon Zarroc
Eragon Zarroc
Atra estern?? ono thelduin
#20
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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms View Post
/notsigned x a million

This would defeat the entire point of having z-quests.
this .