How to Discord with Assassin?

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

Hi I am going to start vanquishing for the first time in Prophecies. Can anyone recommend any skills I can use with Assassin to make discord work? Also is there any mods on TexMod that can make vanquishing easier? Thank you!

P.S. Whats the best way to jot down all the locations you vanquished? Notepad on PC?

BLOODGOAT

BLOODGOAT

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2007

long a

Mo/

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Originally Posted by Leet Tankur View Post
Can anyone recommend any skills I can use with Assassin to make discord work?
Why don't you look at Necromancer skills and decide for yourself.
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Originally Posted by Leet Tankur View Post
Also is there any mods on TexMod that can make vanquishing easier?
Textures don't work that way.
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Whats the best way to jot down all the locations you vanquished?
You can't be serious...

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

No need for the useless comments. All i'm asking what skills would be good on assassin for discord.

Waiting for useful comments... >_>

TheSackMaster

TheSackMaster

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Oct 2007

Nj

ZoS

W/E

Be nice, use Assassins Promise, EVAS, and YMLAD on your bar and 3 Necro's and no there are no mods on texmod, unless you count cartographer, and the area will come up gold if you successfully vanquished it when you press M

Chronos the Defiler

Chronos the Defiler

Desert Nomad

Join Date: May 2005

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

W/

A.) Don't limit yourself to discord, there are plenty of builds/team builds/hero builds that are effective even without discord. ex. I gained Leg. Vanquisher without using a discord hero/teammate once. (But i did use a modded Sabway)

B.) Texmod only effects textures, vanquishing has nothing to do with textures :/

C.) Once you change your game to Hard Mode every red helmet area = not vanquished, the red helm changes to a gold helm when you successfully vanquish an area.

Zodiac Meteor

Zodiac Meteor

Imma Firin Mah Rojway!

Join Date: Aug 2008

At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything.

E/Mo

Adding spirit radar would help a little. Other than that, no texmod.

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

P/

If you have difficulty with an area, run a moebius sy spammer. Bring something like shadow of fear/ suffering and enfeebling blood/ weaken armor on a curse necromancer and your requirement can be fulfilled that way.

Or get a friend to run an ap caller so you can bring save yourselves.

chowmein69

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

Assassin's Promise
you move like drawf
ebon sin suppost
finish him
4 random skills .you can have another hex like enduring toxin

Introverted Dimensions

Introverted Dimensions

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2006

R/

Make sure you do cartography while you vanquish. You'll regret it if you don't.

Having to go back and get bits and pieces for the carto title was horrible.

IronSheik

IronSheik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Wolfenstein: Goldrush

Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom]

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Dont run the lame discord crap with Promise+FH and shit, you can pump out way more damage.

Jagged Strike+Fox Fangs+DB+Asuran Scan+SY+Crit Agility+Optional Elite+Crit Eye.

Jagged fulfills condition, asuran hex, and you'll be doing way more damage.

Put SoH on a hero for yourself, and splinter on another.

Doing 200+a hit with DB on warrior types beats general discord bar.

majikmajikmajik

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

SATown~Tx

Guild Hopper!

R/

+20e Staff.
Assassin's Promise->EVSS->YMLAD->Finish Him.

Captain Bulldozer

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

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Originally Posted by IronSheik View Post
Dont run the lame discord crap with Promise+FH and shit, you can pump out way more damage.

Jagged Strike+Fox Fangs+DB+Asuran Scan+SY+Crit Agility+Optional Elite+Crit Eye.

Good luck getting this to work against all those rangers in Prophecies with blocking stances....

IronSheik

IronSheik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Wolfenstein: Goldrush

Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom]

N/

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
Good luck getting this to work against all those rangers in Prophecies with blocking stances....
Which, dryders defense on krytans and whirling on jades?, god forbid tabbing..

You act as if prophecies only has escape rangers.

By your logic, i submit you can't run Assassin's promise due to all the backfire.

Captain Bulldozer

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

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Originally Posted by IronSheik View Post
Which, dryders defense on krytans and whirling on jades?, god forbid tabbing..

You act as if prophecies only has escape rangers.

By your logic, i submit you can't run Assassin's promise due to all the backfire.
Despite your fail logic, I for some reason see a need to respond. Prophecies HM has, perhaps, the most blocking of all three of the campaigns. Rangers are just one example (many of them have lightning reflexes, which seems to have not made it to your list for some reason). Many HM monks in prophecies have Aegis or guardian, warriors have blocking stances, as well as skills like riposte, glad's defense, etc. Even eles with wards can be problematic. Having a lead attack that is easily blocked makes far less sense than having something which is unblockable. Also, the bleeding from Jagged strike does dick against non-fleshy foes (and frankly does little else anyway except somewhat help out discorders). Why not run something much more useful like "You Move Like a Dwarf!", which can't be blocked or interrupted. For a lead attack, why not take Golden Fox Strike, especially when you're hoping to be enchanted anyway? And Wild Strike for an offhand for the same reason (plus it removes nasty stances).

By the way saying not to use AP because of backfire is a poor and bad analogy. A better one would be to say don't run AP in areas with good hex removal (like vs Jade brotherhood in Factions for example). If you had been on your game enough to say that... well then we'd all agree with you. Sadly, you weren't.

IronSheik

IronSheik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Wolfenstein: Goldrush

Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom]

N/

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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
bla bla
Okay...Here is what you do, fleshy areas, your lead attack recharges in 1 second and activates in 1/2. If EVERYTHING has some type of block up which will rarely exceed a 50%, spam it again, it beats the regular attack speed/recharge of golden fox by far.

Bringing a stance remover is only needed in very few places anywhere in game, like shiro.

Non fleshy, replace second with Golden fang if you must supply the condition, and if your discord team can't supply some type of non fleshy condition in the first place, rethink yourself.

Many HM monks in prophecies have Aegis or guardian, warriors have blocking stances, as well as skills like riposte, glad's defense, etc. Even eles with wards can be problematic.

Many...? What percentile is that? 10? 20? (Please, name the enemies that carry aegis and guardian, as well as wards/Stances) Again, you act as if everything carries glad defense, escape, and aegis.

I'll list a few proph monks I can think of that are encountered a lot
Ascalon
Gargolyes - SoD 75% block elite, bait it, then tab.
Grawl - No
Charr - SoJ single target, tab/Strip
Shiverpeaks
Modniir Protectors - No.
Avicaras- SoJ, single target, easy strip/tab
Dolyaks - No Blocks
Griffons - No Blocks
Kryta
White Mantles - No blocks
Aloes - No Blocks
Damned Clerics - Nope.
Skeleton Priests - No
Maguuma jungle
Modniir Protters - No blocks.
White Mantle Again - No blocks
Crystal Desert
Losaru's - SoD, See gargoyles
Enemy Priests/sages - Woah, first aegis in proph I can think of, better just spam that 1 recharge lead, or better yet don't run any melee since you'll never hit.
Fire Isles
Mursaats, Main High end Prof Monks - Huh? Nope. These even have purity, which make discord worse.

Out of what I can think of are the main monks, go ahead and list whatever else you think belongs, but there was one enemy that had aegis, and two that carried a block, which was single targeting

Out of rangers I can think of Jades, White Mantles, And devourers (In Ascalon)

Warriors? Sorry honestly can't think of anything except a 6 second stance on Elemental swords in Desert.
In high end proph at ring of fire, I can think of ettins, Jades, and the titans, none of which can block.

Once again, point above about spamming dagger attacks on any enemy with blocks

And my backfire analogy was actually quite as well stated as your 'don't use meleelolblocking comparison.' There is just as much anti caster as there are 'blocks'.

This is all proph data, which your first post stated. And only on blocks not anti melee hexes/Blind, which is an entirely different arguement. My point stands, for a sin, DB spam is going to be better in a discord team, and any other team at that.

kanar

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Sep 2009

IronSheik mentioned Optional elite, where you can use Fox's Promise for blocking mobs also

Masmar

Masmar

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2008

Aberdeen, Scotland

We Gat Dis [HRUU]

E/

Omg its sack.

On topic Use:
AP, YMLaD, Finish Him, Barbs, MoP etc

It shows you what you VQ'd..

raddish

Academy Page

Join Date: Jan 2009

The Rejected Sins [SOF]

A/P

First off, go assassin paragon.
Bar: Assassins Promise, You move like a dwarf, Ebon vangaurd assassin support, finish him!, fall back!,stand you ground,signet of deadly corruption,res sig. Can replace EVAS with Pain inverter in some areas.

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

It really depends...you can be boring as use the standard AP+YMLA and others. Or you could just take normal skills with something like asura scan and condition inflicting skills (twisting blades/palm strike yadayada).

ll Jamie ll

ll Jamie ll

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2009

Devon, England.

Desolation Lords [DL]

E/Mo

Quote:
Originally Posted by _december View Post
Assassin's Promise
you move like drawf
ebon sin suppost
finish him
4 random skills .you can have another hex like enduring toxin
This.

Enduring toxin is actually really good for a cover hex if there is hex removal on your foes.
Signet of deadly corruption is another good one if your already a sin.

2 left hmm...

Id go and bring party boosting skills (paragon is good for this as mentioned before)

Another good one is:
Same 4 skills: AP, YMLAD, Sin Sup, FH.

Jagged Strike
Fox Fangs
Death Blossom
Signet of Deadly Corruption OR Enduring Toxin. Or even just bring a res.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leet Tankur View Post
Hi I am going to start vanquishing for the first time in Prophecies. Can anyone recommend any skills I can use with Assassin to make discord work?

Anything works with Discord. However I suggest running the Death Chain build (Golden Phoenix Strike, Death Blosson, Moebiu Strike, Optional, Optional, Optional, Critical Agility, Critical Defenses)

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Originally Posted by Leet Tankur View Post
Also is there any mods on TexMod that can make vanquishing easier? Thank you!
No, but use the cartography mods so you can map while you vanquish.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leet Tankur View Post
P.S. Whats the best way to jot down all the locations you vanquished? Notepad on PC?
What is this I don't even-

jray14

jray14

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

NC, USA

Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]

Here's my favorite build for this:

A/Mo

Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support
Enduring Toxin
"You Move Like a Dwarf!"
Assassin's Promise
"Finish Him!"
Signet of Deadly Corruption
Unseen Fury / Castigation Signet
Shadow Sanctuary / Signet of Shadows / Bane Signet

12+1+1 Deadly Arts
12+1 Shadow Arts OR 12 Smiting Prayers (depending on whether you bring the smiting skills or not)
2 Critical Strikes

Radiant / Attunement

Three weapon sets (only use #3 if using Shadow Arts build):
1. Staff of the Forgotten, Smiting Prayers version (or similar)
2. Deldrimor Staff, Smiting Prayers version (or similar)
3. any 1-hand melee with +5e ("I Have the Power!") and +30 plus any shield with +30

Use #1 most of the time and switch to #2 if you accrue lots of DP.

Make sure you use Unseen Fury when adjacent to the enemy you're calling (and preferably others as well). You might find it easier to temporarily switch to the weapon set #3 to ensure you get adjacent.

When facing interrupts, use ET before AP. Vice versa when facing hex removal.

How about saving this part of the Wiki to a Word doc or HTML or text, or printing it out, and checking zones off as you vanquish them:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Vanquish#Prophecies
It has the relevant info and hints for vanquishing right there.

Coast

Coast

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jul 2006

Belgium

Whats Going On [sup]

Mo/

just click the skills and stuff dies on autopilot

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

AP
YMLaD
EVAS
FH
SoDC
Enduring Toxin
Mark of Death
Optional

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
Good luck getting this to work against all those rangers in Prophecies with blocking stances....
He said optional elite, I look at the elites and I see Fox's Promise.
YOU GOT NOTHIN.