With various spear attacks this skill is able to shut down multiple physical classes very easily. In itself this is not the entire issue, assuming that there are viable counters to such a build.
What is the major issue is the number of viable counters to such a skill. These are limited to basically Rend or your own source of blind. Given the extremely limited nature of Codex it is very unlikely you will actually receive these counters on any given day, yet the chance of EDA being present is about 33%. Even if it appears alongside only mediocre spear attacks this results in very spammable physical shutdown, often with no real counter.
I understand that the nature of Codex will eliminate this problem on it's own at the end of this day, but such a degenerate, powerful, uncounterable skill should not frequent the deck as often as once every three days. It will make for generally unfun metagames on it's appearance days, particularly if caster bars are crappy.
Suggestion: Melee attacks only. A more ideal solution would be to implement proposed change and drop the number of Nightfall profession elites to 3, so we don't have filth like WS and EDA clogging up the arena every third day.
Edit: Actually I lie. Assault enchantments and signet of twilight were both present today. However, the first is useless against EDA for fairly obvious reasons. The second isn't incredibly viable either, due to the fact that packing enough hexes to dig down to EDA means you probably aren't running physicals in the first place.
EDA and Codex
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Lux Aeterna
EDA has needed a nerf for a while, it's underused (fortunately) but very OP.
FoxBat
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However, the first is useless against EDA for fairly obvious reasons.
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Still I can see it being a long-term problem on days with less counters.
Eragon Zarroc
should be limited to scythes.
turbo234
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should be limited to scythes.
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also
25/5/90
IronSheik
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should be limited to scythes.
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Leave as is, bring assault enchants or run more casters.
Enon
Just out of curiosity - are we going to get these threads every time a certain skill is OP in CA..?
Reverend Dr
Of course. Its the only new content that's been added in over two years, its the only new thing we have to complain about.
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Lifestyle
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Of course. Its the only new content that's been added in over two years, its the only new thing we have to complain about.
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No, each of the threads actually.
SF sucks.
You may now continue bashing EDA.
Xenex Xclame
Take a mesmer, drain and reveal his enchantments, then use it against him with your earth spear and laugh while he waits on recharge.
Ravi
i agree that in tonight's codex, EDA was king, but it was only under the circumstance, what would've happened if monks got RC in the codex?
protip: run a mindshock ele with heal other, mend condition, cripslash war and assault enchants assasin, and blessed light monk, i didnt have any probs.
@poster above me: EDA dervishes were using vital boon and mystic regen to cover the enchant, that's not gonna work.
protip: run a mindshock ele with heal other, mend condition, cripslash war and assault enchants assasin, and blessed light monk, i didnt have any probs.
@poster above me: EDA dervishes were using vital boon and mystic regen to cover the enchant, that's not gonna work.
Arkantos
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Take a mesmer, drain and reveal his enchantments, then use it against him with your earth spear and laugh while he waits on recharge.
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Elite Enchantment Spell. For 5...29...35 seconds, if you are wielding an earth weapon, your attack Skills also cause Blindness for 4...9...10 seconds.
Because mesmers pack attack skills, right?
Faer
Hammer Bash Mesmer, Arkantos. Cousin of the Hammer Bash Monk; slightly less manly.
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Xenex Xclame
Ow well, the thing about striping it with a mesmer is still true,but the using it against them, was a oversight from me.
It doesn't matter if they have vital and mystic, most of them were too stupid to cover it up properly.
Today however they are insane,we only have strip enchantment and that isnt really that usefull :/
It doesn't matter if they have vital and mystic, most of them were too stupid to cover it up properly.
Today however they are insane,we only have strip enchantment and that isnt really that usefull :/
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Anyone arguing that the format is imbalanced on any given day is for the most part stupid, unless the reason they claim it is imbalanced occurs on such a frequency that parallels this one. EDA is going to be shitting up Codex likely every third day. We did have some semi-decent strips available, but this is going to appear far more often than any viable deep strips are. And even some of said deep strips have issues with covers, especially the number of covers present the last two days.
Random aside; is vital boon a freebie?
Random aside; is vital boon a freebie?
FoxBat
Pretty sure most classes get self-heal freebie
Heal Sig
Troll
Aura Resto
Ether Feast
Blood Renewal
Shadow Refuge
Leader's Comfort
Vital Boon
Monk/Rit don't seem to have any freebies. Should give them healing touch/generous was tsungrai.
Heal Sig
Troll
Aura Resto
Ether Feast
Blood Renewal
Shadow Refuge
Leader's Comfort
Vital Boon
Monk/Rit don't seem to have any freebies. Should give them healing touch/generous was tsungrai.
Revelations
Yeah, was pretty sure on the above. That makes EDA even more stupid on it's given days, since you get an autocover. =/
BlackSephir
Are you sure that skills should be balanced around a 4v4 format with limited skills and even more limited ways to deal with them?
Sieg Sunblade
To be honest, the problem with EDA, and the reason I personally agree with a nerf, is because it fuels completely boring matches, which is NOT what Codex needs. Either it should be weighted so that it appears once every 7+ days - similarly to what WoH is at (5/35). Both are incredibly powerful skills in the sealed deck arena. But it is NOT fair that the dervish skills crop up one day in three while other classes have one day in 7.
Plus, it'd be okay to have a bad day in Codex once every week. It'd be like Monday, just on guild wars.
Bottom line: Nerf EDA. Or Functionality change, I don't care. It's not useful enough in 8v8 and is stupid in 4v4.
Plus, it'd be okay to have a bad day in Codex once every week. It'd be like Monday, just on guild wars.
Bottom line: Nerf EDA. Or Functionality change, I don't care. It's not useful enough in 8v8 and is stupid in 4v4.
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Die, mother******, die.
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icedwhitemocha
/signed for nerf
Because PvErs are already coming in with this argument, I'll go ahead and state this: The existence of counters has nothing to do with whether a skill is overpowered or not.
Because PvErs are already coming in with this argument, I'll go ahead and state this: The existence of counters has nothing to do with whether a skill is overpowered or not.
ccReynolds
There has been plenty of enchant removal in the codex when dust has been in there. That is a lot more enegry efficient than constantly removing blind.
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Because PvErs are already coming in with this argument, I'll go ahead and state this: The existence of counters has nothing to do with whether a skill is overpowered or not.
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People say it all the time, the game is not balanced for 4v4, it's balanced for 8v8. Unfortunately, something else is true: the game has not been balanced for codex arena, it's been balanced around the acceptance that certain counter skills were mandatory. This can create all sorts of problems around must-counter skills occuring at a high frequency. The game is both not balanced for 4v4 and not balanced for codex arena.
And based on killing being the primary winning objective of the format, there's really nothing that can be done when neither team has access to counters to a defensive skill. 8v8 might just have been the better format for a version of the codex rule set because of split tactics that can be used to settle a stalemate. 4v4 really didn't allow for much flexibility in the first place.
Before supporting the nerfing of EDA, it would be helpful to recognize if there will be more uncounterable defensive skills appearing in builds.
Edit: Fixed my consideration of presence as an element of existence (and not vice versa) in the assessment of the bolded statement.
Xenex Xclame
I find it funny when I get called a PVE'r so that means my opinion does not matter, yet when when they support a change, they dont post why.
Even if i was a "PVE'r" does not make my opinion less valuable, and yes having counters does have effect on skills being or not being overpowered,think of any number of hexes in the game,now think of all the hex removal getting delete,now suddenly hexes are overpowered, even simple things like empathy.
Counters ARE part of balance of a skill.
Now just post your opinion but keep any kind of insults or put down to yourself please,it does not help anyone.
As you may be able to see if you took time enough to not try put others down, you could see that I just posted a option that you can use in yesterday's deck, I didnt say that EDA is overpowered or not.
Now on the realy topic,yeah this could use a small tap down,but not just scythes,just make it melee range only AND only add this change to PvP, there's no reaons the PVE version of this skill should be changed.It fun to use on a ranger.
Even if i was a "PVE'r" does not make my opinion less valuable, and yes having counters does have effect on skills being or not being overpowered,think of any number of hexes in the game,now think of all the hex removal getting delete,now suddenly hexes are overpowered, even simple things like empathy.
Counters ARE part of balance of a skill.
Now just post your opinion but keep any kind of insults or put down to yourself please,it does not help anyone.
As you may be able to see if you took time enough to not try put others down, you could see that I just posted a option that you can use in yesterday's deck, I didnt say that EDA is overpowered or not.
Now on the realy topic,yeah this could use a small tap down,but not just scythes,just make it melee range only AND only add this change to PvP, there's no reaons the PVE version of this skill should be changed.It fun to use on a ranger.
Master Ketsu
Yes, EDA should be nerfed.
I used to be against its nerf, but only because its strongest counter ( FF/PS...which should also be nerfed. ) was widely used in every TA team. Ignoring that, EDA is quite OP.
In codex, the chance of a necro getting both FF and PS are very low while the chance of getting EDA is fairly high. IMO codex is really starting to show which individual skills are OP and EDA is one of them.
I used to be against its nerf, but only because its strongest counter ( FF/PS...which should also be nerfed. ) was widely used in every TA team. Ignoring that, EDA is quite OP.
In codex, the chance of a necro getting both FF and PS are very low while the chance of getting EDA is fairly high. IMO codex is really starting to show which individual skills are OP and EDA is one of them.
X Cytherea X
EDA will screw codex up every day it appears. much worse if enough feasible counters do not also appear. and even if they did, the games would still be pretty lame.
being a derv skill, making it scythe-only would be a logical fix.
for clarity, SCYTHE-ONLY EBON DUST AURA PLEASE, KTHX.
being a derv skill, making it scythe-only would be a logical fix.
for clarity, SCYTHE-ONLY EBON DUST AURA PLEASE, KTHX.
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EDA has never exactly been balanced in 4v4/unorganized play, and people have been wanting it nerfed for awhile.
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Edit: Enchantment removal could've been lacking during CA, but back in TA there was always a CE necro around to strip it before one could cast the cover enchantment. As I said - timing.
Martin Alvito
Look, you can run a Corrupt Necro today and EDA is still hacks. The Corrupt Necro is terrible against everything but EDA. So if you take Corrupt, you're killing your pressure to suppress a single skill which may or may not appear on the other team.
By contrast, EDA is excellent against everything that doesn't have a Corrupt and decent even if the enchants are not useful.
The reason Corrupt worked as a counter in TA was that everyone in TA played heavy enchant bars. When Monks have restricted skill sets, there's no guarantee that anything on the opposing team will be carrying enchants. That makes for a wasted elite.
Long story short, something needs to be done about EDA in this format. It's going to spawn 1/3 of the time (see larger gripe thread about this issue), and the simplest solution is probably to just remove it entirely. Second simplest is to make EDA not usable with spears. Then you can at least use Illusion and Water to turn the guy off.
By contrast, EDA is excellent against everything that doesn't have a Corrupt and decent even if the enchants are not useful.
The reason Corrupt worked as a counter in TA was that everyone in TA played heavy enchant bars. When Monks have restricted skill sets, there's no guarantee that anything on the opposing team will be carrying enchants. That makes for a wasted elite.
Long story short, something needs to be done about EDA in this format. It's going to spawn 1/3 of the time (see larger gripe thread about this issue), and the simplest solution is probably to just remove it entirely. Second simplest is to make EDA not usable with spears. Then you can at least use Illusion and Water to turn the guy off.
Sieg Sunblade
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....owait
Well, you can always divert it.
....if you get lucky in the codex.
IT'S HEAPS BALANCED K?
Ravi
i dont think EDA is too much of a problem in this format, what ive seen, is that EDA it made its appearance with two very viable enchantments to cover it, TWO DAYS in a row, what we should we focusing on (codex arena-wise), is on the fact that daily skill selection is not appearing to be random at all, think about it, what are the odds we get the same THREE skills out of such huge selection?
we've had about 5 elites that have appeared at least twice in the last 3 days (glimmer, blight, EDA, VoR, its just a flesh wound.)
we've had about 5 elites that have appeared at least twice in the last 3 days (glimmer, blight, EDA, VoR, its just a flesh wound.)
kazjun
/not signed X infinity
If EDA was truly OPed every team in HA/GVG would be running it. They aren't. The only reason EDA seems OPed is because the CA itself is imba. Limiting skills will always mean that there's something that lacks a good counter or just seems that it can't be stopped.
Trying to balance a skill around a limited format would be like saying you should balance skills around how OPed they are in pre-sear. Saying something is imba while not having access to the full set of counter builds and alternatives is not something the game should be considering.
While I'm not totally against changing EDA (or any other skill), I AM totally against balancing for CA reasons. Cause after EDA, they'll be other skills that suddenly become OP in the format. Will they then need to be 'fixed'? Potentially damaging the game, both pvp and pve, for the sake of a 4 man limited skills format is not something I want to see. And I certainly hope its not something the rest of the GW player base would want to see.
Balancing skill for a 4 man format is hard enough (especially when the rest of the game runs for 8), but balancing when you DON'T know what else will be available is close to impossible. You'll just have to grit your teeth and bear it for a day. Thats the price of the format. Or try to increase the number of skills available for each day in the hopes that you can get a counter.
If you truly want to go changing skills for CA, why not petition for a pve,pvp,CA split. That way you can do whatever the hell you want to skills in CA and it won't affect the rest of the game.
Fix the format, not the skills.
If EDA was truly OPed every team in HA/GVG would be running it. They aren't. The only reason EDA seems OPed is because the CA itself is imba. Limiting skills will always mean that there's something that lacks a good counter or just seems that it can't be stopped.
Trying to balance a skill around a limited format would be like saying you should balance skills around how OPed they are in pre-sear. Saying something is imba while not having access to the full set of counter builds and alternatives is not something the game should be considering.
While I'm not totally against changing EDA (or any other skill), I AM totally against balancing for CA reasons. Cause after EDA, they'll be other skills that suddenly become OP in the format. Will they then need to be 'fixed'? Potentially damaging the game, both pvp and pve, for the sake of a 4 man limited skills format is not something I want to see. And I certainly hope its not something the rest of the GW player base would want to see.
Balancing skill for a 4 man format is hard enough (especially when the rest of the game runs for 8), but balancing when you DON'T know what else will be available is close to impossible. You'll just have to grit your teeth and bear it for a day. Thats the price of the format. Or try to increase the number of skills available for each day in the hopes that you can get a counter.
If you truly want to go changing skills for CA, why not petition for a pve,pvp,CA split. That way you can do whatever the hell you want to skills in CA and it won't affect the rest of the game.
Fix the format, not the skills.
Master Ketsu
IMO, my nerf to EDA would be:
*ends prematurely if you become enchanted*
Noting that it obviously would not take effect on itself, just make it so that EDA could NOT be covered at all.
*ends prematurely if you become enchanted*
Noting that it obviously would not take effect on itself, just make it so that EDA could NOT be covered at all.
Xenex Xclame
That would be a pretty hard nerf,I rather take the scythes only choice.
You have to remember to not break it for other gametypes, there is nothing wrong with EDA in 8v8 or PvE,because there are enough enchantment stripping going around.
You have to remember to not break it for other gametypes, there is nothing wrong with EDA in 8v8 or PvE,because there are enough enchantment stripping going around.
IronSheik
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Even harder nerf, No one would use this if only scythes could be used.
Grim Aragorn
if ur so upset about EDA, dont run physicals
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