How do you feel about GWs?

So after playing the game to death over the last few years, it was about a year ago me, and a lot of other people, had decided that the game had done exactly that.. Died.

But I really never gave up hope. I played to talk to friends, play some RA, and see what was going on through updates..

But after playing other popular MMO's, and even a few crappy freeware ones, I realized that really.. GW's is still the King of the MMO's I've played.

I've been playing Aion since beta, and really hoped it would get better.. but it actually hasn't done anything really.. and while it and other games out there haven't done jack and still cost me money (like Champions Online, Conan, Warhammer, etc) GW's is still free, still doing huge updates, and STILL has the BEST balance of ANY MMO out there (imo).

Long story short, how do you guys feel about GW's and the current state it's in. I know I'll always have a place in my heart for the first MMO that truly fits the way I think games should be (skill>time).

barely do anything in it anymore but can't seem to escape it!

meh, i'm pitiful

It's really only dead for the ones like us who played it to death..maybe not as dead for the newer players.

I still play, but now it is mostly title hounding on secondary toons.

Well, the lack of proper balance maintenance has shoved it down the same road of the late 90's strategy games. Those were basically complex optimization functions containing a small set of viable local optima.

Unfortunately, those were generally better games. They stick to being optimization functions and don't drag in problems like ping wars or rock/paper/scissors non-strategic decision-making. For whatever reason, the people that like junk like kiting (which functions like penalty kicks in soccer) or skill cancel wars (the poison scene from _The Princess Bride_) won the war of influence with the devs.

If you like that stuff, GW is great. If not, various older games are just better right now. I haven't had a chance to really explore Codex, and I may tell you differently after I do. It may provide a better optimization challenge than other GW formats for a while.

STILL the best PvP out of all the games out there. World of Warcraft's "gear battles" and Aion's zerg fests can't even hold a candle to GW.

<3 GW and always will, sure a lot of things have changed over the years, some for the better some for the worse, but in the end it is still the same old game I know and love.

After all my years of playing I really just find myself going for GWAMM. And besides...ecto prices have been going up as of late

GW being the best is why so many people bitch about it. If there was something better, we'd all be playing that instead of complaining about how dead and how bad GW is.

GW had the potential to be much bigger than it is. I wonder what happened...

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pretty much sum it up for me. i love this game even though i have nothing left to do.

still loving the game still doing everything over and over again for playing 7100hours with out taking a break besides to sleep and eat and go to school i still love this game never get bored of it

Although I find gw very boring now, I'm finding hard to stop logging on

Actually, Not too sure why I said it was dead for "us" .. i actually like it quite much still.

I still think it's the best MMO (for me)

I play Aion atm. Also played CB6 and OB. I rly like it but it's getting boring already! It's a grindy game. And I like to change my playstyle but then I have to do all the grind again. And thats what I love about GW. builds and cross proffesions! Another thing is pvp. GW has great pvp. Aion has very bad pvp IMO. It's pvpve so you only get ganked etc. and the real pvp thing (sieges) are not playable for most pc's..

So yh after 4 years of GW I still log in the GW servers =D

What I think of current GW:

-My best GW time was before factions. Good old prophecies! completing prophecies while using mending and healingbreeze! everybody did it! no build discrimination. good times!
- Why did they ruin the Economy? Zkeys and farming (SF! 55 Monks) made it worse.
-I like inscriptions etc in pvp. But why did they do that in pve? pve was the place were you can be unique! the guy with the perfect eternal shield! now you get perfect weapons for less then 5k.

GW2 gonna be awsome!

Developers happened. And powercreep, and assassins/ritualists, then paragons/dervishes... New chapters, you might say.

I've played gw around 4 years i think and i've tried to quit but.... but...i just CAN'T!
and besides i think its the best MMO i've ever played + i love these major events <3

I always feel sorry for those who completed the pve part of the game in a week or so, whatever was the point in rushing.

Ok I have completed 2 out of the four games mainly because though I played many hours every day at first now I play at a more reasonable rate while also having a life outside the game.

I also get sidetracked away from missions to try other classes builds a little farming maybe or skill and title collecting.

It was a good game, I just hate how skill updates have gone from once a month (okay) to once every 2 months (><). I think they are pretty important if only to keep the game feeling fresh and let people try out new skill combos etc.

And I think one reason for its succress was stepping away from traditional mmo's and the grind for levels and gear. Being free also helped too :P

gw2 happened...
it will be exactly like this in gw2 when they start making gw3
so i am not buying it :P
it was phenomenal in its early days now its a humongous fail...

You're right. I LOVED Prophecies. Still do. But things just seemed to have went downhill after it. I think it's because the world's split. Cantha, Tyria, Elona, three seperate worlds and the game instanced so less likely to build a community. I hope GW 2 brings us back to one world.

yup. had they done expansions, and had everyone start off in pre...game would be perfect. but having to restart from an island, it just feels disconnected. expansions > chapters. they also should not have introduced new classes with the releases.

GW lost sight of its image (skill>time) a long time ago, and the developers not responding fast enough to a newly discovered exploit always made conditions worse.

I love GW, my favourite part is Factions ^^ It's so charming.
Despite my addiction to World Of Warcraft I still think GW:F is better. PvP (factions battles) there rocks!

Many of you are just fooling yourselves as I know if EQ or DAOC or Star Wars Galaxies or WOW or any of the other GREAT mmorpgs were FREE NO MONTHLY fee you would flock to them like rats to a sewer. You mostly play this because it has no monthly fee and you give yourselves delusions that it's the greatest mmo to ever come about. lol

It's merely a time consumer game that has its fun points but it's hardly the greatest thing since sliced bread. Everything becomes repetitive fast and there are no major events like in an EQ or a WOW where it takes large groups to take on a BOSS. Hell I can solo most bosses in this game. If your idea is to be able to do that then you must like romper room? And that's another thing this game has turned from group oriented in to solo build from skill>time to time=skill and wealth. You watch the population disappear when they nerf SF. Plus the gnawing and gnashing of teeth on this forum (which I can't wait to read). )

So WAKE-UP and stop being delusioned.

Since I started GW, Ive experimented a lot of other MMOs...and all of them get boring sooner or later because of the grind factor. Most of time, 2 weeks is the maximum I can endure..

In other hand, Im playing GW for over 50 months. The flexibilty to play the way I want to is what keeps me coming back..

GW was, is and it will always be unique. It has a place most high in the altar of my gaming heart. I will stop playing only when the servers are shut down.

I've played a lot of different MMOs and I was introduced to GW earlier this year by a friend. I'm still having a blast and I LOVE this game. Sure, there are some things that might be vexing, but overall it's refreshing compared to so many other MMOs. By far the best one I've played.

I think I'm lucky that I got to play it after all the expansions were released so I can do whatever I want, but I've played through all of them so far and they're all really fun. I enjoy the characters and story, so it's nice to see an MMO that doesn't skimp on the story and quests for once. I even like pvp in this game and normally I loathe it.

Some of the MMOs I've played barely had any updates what so ever, so I'm pretty impressed with what they do for GW. Even if it isn't as popular as it used to be, it's nice to see they still try. I totally agree about the grind and that's one of the main reasons I enjoy this game.

Whatever floats your boat, but what you find to be amazing may not be the same for others. For example... I didn't like how you needed tons upon tons of people in WoW to take on a boss. However, you do and that's fine, but I don't think you should call everyone delusional simply because you don't agree with what they think is fun. It's all subjective.

I played WoW for a year and did everything. The largest part of that game was grind and gear. Great skill? Know all the tactics? Green items? Kick. The game got repetitive fast. Especially the quests.

"Kill 10 pigs! Well done! Now kill 10 bandits! Great! Now kill 200 rats to find 10 tails! Yes, yes, they all have tails but that one has a bit of fluff on it. Don't want that one. Find me another!"

I moved on to better games that genuinely took skill.

Do you have any idea how bad the game would be if it was still stuck in Prophecies?

(Disregarding your nostalgia, of course).

I would certainly have played and maybe liked some of the other games if they were free to play, but that's because I love variety so for me a monthy fee would be terrible.
Imagine having 6 games on the go all with monthly fees to pay.
It may be a good idea for the games company but I for one am not going to encourage them buy buying any.

GW isn't by any stretch of the imagination perfect but its a lot better than many others, I like to think that GW2 will be even better.

We have successfully play tested this incarnation and GW2 will be the better for it.

Best MMO I've ever played. I tried taking a break and playing some other ones. That just made me realize how much better GW was lol. Titles have made the game much more enjoyable.

I don't play other games anymore.

I never was a multi-player or MMO person. Guild Wars was somehow different.

I completely agree. I've left GW to try WoW, Aion, LOTRO, and numerous other MMOs, but I keep coming back. There is something about GW that is just addictive.

Guild Wars nailed something, because no other free to play game is NEARLY as good. There is not one that is nearly as good. And other Pay to play mmo's that have lost to WoW you realize, once you play, have just as small a playerbase as Guild Wars.

I love GW, and always will.

My thoughts exactly. Our PvP has almost ALWAYS been superior to other games out there. For this game to revolve around nearly 100% skill choice/use, they've managed to do a fantastic job with what.. 3000+ skills? Beats the freaking crap out of EQ, Lineage, Conan (ha), Warhammer (ha again), WoW (is that even PvP?), and Aion (... half of the classes can't even partake in PvP).

I agree wholeheartedly, but just think.. GW's wasn't even really supposed to be a big game.. it was more of a test. In my opinion, while I totally agree with you, the game managed to be WAY bigger than initially planned

So first off.. No?

I played WoW and EQ both for about 2 years each, and you couldn't pay ME to go back to them.

WoW is a total snoozefest where absolutely the ONLY thing that matters is your gear. Have great gear? You're in. To get that gear? Spend 5 months playing one area. The community for that game is also, in my opinion, one of the worst gaming communities of all time.

Also, one of the natural draws to this game IS that it's free to play, but to say that's it's only draw? I think we just have a WoW fanboy here. This game has tons of charisma, balance, fast action (like RA, AB, Sealed, Dungeons) and the choice of playing alone, or with friends/strangers.

GW's is so unique that it took years for most gaming communities to even recognize it as an MMO, simply because it wasn't cut and paste from EQ, WoW, Baldur's and so on.

Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but to say we're delusional? I think you should get back on your Warlock and kill some boars

I used to play this game avidly a few years back, but now I don't even bother logging on anymore. I haven't played anything for several months, and when I do log on (usually just to make sure everything's still there or to check out an event), I don't even have the drive to stay on the game for more than about five minutes.

I haven't even finished Nightfall (still on the Gates, lol) or Eye of the North yet, but I can't get myself to care. I loved this game while it lasted, but now I just find it really really stale and lifeless--dead, like a twisted reflection of the lack of love this game gets from the devs. There's nothing really worth playing for anymore. I couldn't give two flicks of a cat's whiskers about the Hall of Monuments or Z-coins or Nick or the Menagerie or whatever new piece of grind they put out, and playing within the hostile mindsets of most PvPers isn't really my cup of tea (and I blow ). So I don't bother.

it was a great game while i made it last but now its gotten to the point i get bored with in an hour of playing =( but i know why. i enjoy pve more then pvp and this games end target is pvp with close to no end game pve outside of the title grind and farming your brain to mush. don't get me wrong i love to pvp from time to time but i'm not a hard core pvper so its not as fun for me. Hopefully GW2 with have alot more end game pve

On the fact that guild Wars died is nothing to do.
But important is the reason.

The players killed the game. Players like gamers without reallife that farm all the day, little kids(nothing against kids but against them they behave like 9)
and typical PVP-Player that just want to win fast and then again.

I don' understand how last can enjoy the game.

I was in costumebrawl today.
Blue Group.
After one min they had 5 kills we one or two.

...has resigned.
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"
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Annoying enough.
But after they wanted me to resign I said no.

[I bought the game to have much fun with friends.
What use can I have of 20 stacks ectos if I just want to make missions quests or vanq with my friends.]

Then:
Have fun loosing noob.
You RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing PvE nub.
...starts dancing.
Is that a joke?!!

So Im alone fighting on the field. Rest is standing around and falling.
Ten kills later I got reported for leeching.


Could anyone tell me how the staff could made the game more fun if this always happens.
They would not make much money if they bann all these players.




They did such a great job making Guild Wars. Its a absolutly cool game that makes much fun.
The flaw of GW is the same flaw that a dictatership has.
It needs humans and they are not perfect. They are dumb, want power and can be mean.

At the beginning of GW you logged in and asked lokking for group (quest...) and you found some ppl. in minutes. You made the quest or mission and it was great fun to play and chat. And if you made a mistake you died and started a new try.
Then it came up that you had to play male chars bcause everyone wanted CS with you. (Think the reason are the boobs of GW chars the are independant from tzhe bodys^^).

Now the time has come that you are new and dont understand anything in these HB,cry,SF,doa - conversations.
And most in use are the words "resign" and "nub".


The thing is that there are ppl that understand such things that see how perfect GW is. But most of the players dont see such things like these fantastic build system. They just want to farm and show there titles.
And that are the players that pay for new chests and PvP-skills.

So that makes them more important then us players who want to have fun with other people.
I can imagin that the creators wanted to have the first version of the game. Something new and great.
Thats like if you do everything for your child to become a good person and then it becomes a nazi. Maby thats a hard one but I feel it this way with GW.
Everything is getting the wrong way and you cant do anything.

I realized this too. Every other MMO is just recycled grind shit. And the niche MMO's never really take off.

@ Hexxchen, that's not the reason the game died, since you get that from people in every game (albeit more in this one without a sub). Personally I think it was down to a combination of the game getting old, and then anet abandoning support to work on GW2. But it's still the best around atm - unless you like cartoon graphics and/or collect/kill quests, repeated 500 times to reach max level to then enjoy zerg pvp.

Aion/GW2

I enjoy it a lot. I like the gameplay, the skill system, the fact that you can only have eight skills on your bar at any one time. There's also a great deal of fantastic scenery going for it, and I found it easy to get used to playing when I first started. (Skill, of course, was an entirely different matter.)

That being said, of course I've finished a lot of content 'til I'm sick of it, so I went to try D&D Online when it became free to play. I like the people I meet there, and it's nice to get into new content and realise that there are plenty of new players who are exploring and trying out a game for the first time... and thus aren't going to scream and throw a huge fit if something goes wrong. However, I'm aware that I met people like these when I first started playing GW, so that's something that just goes with being new. When I do play it, I miss a lot of things in GW that I didn't really think about when I played it. I miss the protection line a great deal. I miss the capped gear where you don't have to worry about being underequipped too much, because it's readily available if you need it. I miss being able to roll a pure PvP character, kitting them up, and then just jumping into AB for the heck of it.

I try not to compare, but some of the things in GW are pretty much irreplaceable to me, especially the 8-skill system, which is one of the things I absolutely loved about the game.

People are always saying guild wars is dead but every time i log on theres hundreds of people playing

Whether its pve where people are doing tough vanquishes/dungeons in eotn for rep or doing fow and underworld clears for shards and globs
or pvp where you have random arenas, aliance battles, jade quarry and the new spangled codex arena

All are packed with people at all times

I love this game its the best mmo ive played by a long way