Buff Warrior Cunning

Mokeiro

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

Warrior's unique source of damage is hitting the enemy, but this source is easily disrupted with conditions, hexes and blocks, theres lots of ways of nullify a warrior, all other classes have means of get rid of hexes and conditions but without help for a mate a warrior must just sit to wait the effect to end.

Warrior cunning comes as a way to bypass the annoying blockway of some builds, but fail and its not use by anybody for 2 reasons:

It's loooong loooooooong looooooooooooooooong recharge of 60 secs and duration of 11 secs at 14 strenght

If they blind you, or hex you, you fail, because warrior cunning makes your attacks unblockable but they will miss.

So after the intro, the well needed buff:

1. Make Warrior cunning: your attacks ALWAYS HIT, doesnt matter blocks, stances, ward, hexes, or if you are blinded, for 11 secs. a hit launched is a hit landed.

OR

2. Make recharge 45 secs or better 30 secs, if a monk can use guardian every 5 secs or a ranger can permastance blocks, why i can not use Warr Cunn every 30 secs?

Think bout it

lord of all tyria

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Hey guys, I don't think spikes are overly strong at the moment. What we need is a way for our warrior to be completely unstoppable!

Mylina

Mylina

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokeiro View Post
1. Make Warrior cunning: your attacks ALWAYS HIT, doesnt matter blocks, stances, ward, hexes, or if you are blinded, for 11 secs. a hit launched is a hit landed.
I lol'ed


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokeiro View Post
Think bout it
I lol'ed

Srsly though, Warrior are balanced now, don't mess 'em up.

Captain Bulldozer

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jan 2008

Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

So.... the OP wants to make Warrior's Cunning into a strength version of Illusionary Weaponry? Well... I suppose it would make more sense than giving such a skill to a mesmer.... but still, no thanks. /notsigned

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

So you want to gimp the other classes ability to stop a warrior? No thanks. I think blocking, blind, and miss hexes are balanced well enough. There are plenty of condition removals for dealing with blind, and outside of hex overload, the few hexes that hurt a warrior (Empathy, Faintheartedness, etc.) can be removed fairly easily. Outside of stances all block skills can be removed or prevented, and a Warrior posses the best option for stance removal.

There is a reason you can't use it more often. A good reason.

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

Join Date: Jan 2008

Madness Incarnate

[Duo]

W/P

lol, uber unstoppable war ftw? no thanx

/notsigned

Mylina

Mylina

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
So.... the OP wants to make Warrior's Cunning into a strength version of Illusionary Weaponry? Well... I suppose it would make more sense than giving such a skill to a mesmer.... but still, no thanks. /notsigned
Yeah, just missing the point that IW deals +/- 40 dmg and a warrior can hit over 80's. lol.

Xsiriss

Xsiriss

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2008

A lot of skills need buffing,and we don't need these awful suggestions from people who don't understand the workings behind balanced pvp or pve.

Mylina

Mylina

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Mo/

I just hope the OP is trolling.

Abedeus

Abedeus

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Jan 2007

Niflheim

R/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylina View Post
Yeah, just missing the point that IW deals +/- 40 dmg and a warrior can hit over 80's. lol.
And warriors can knockdown, can Deep Wound, Cripple and some other nasty conditions.

And don't need energy. And aren't destroyed by a nicely timed Drain Enchantment.

Mokeiro

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

If the suggestion is so lol'able and the skill is so fantastic, could you point me to a nice build where this skill is used?

Thank you

Aciid Bu5t0r

Academy Page

Join Date: Mar 2008

Belgium

Dont Play With [Fire]

W/

In 45 months of playing GW as a warrior primary, I've never chosen warriors cunning above any other skill. I would rather take frenzy and hope to hit through their blocks n blinds.

Mylina

Mylina

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokeiro View Post
If the suggestion is so lol'able and the skill is so fantastic, could you point me to a nice build where this skill is used?

Thank you
I agree, the skill isn't used that much. But that doesn't mean we need to buff in such a way.

Mokeiro

Academy Page

Join Date: May 2009

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylina View Post
I agree, the skill isn't used that much. But that doesn't mean we need to buff in such a way.
Then what buff do you suggest, or we bury this skill with the hundred others that are not used?

And you are wrong is not used that much, it's not used at all.

AlsPals

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Sellin hot stock tips for pro[fit]

Me/E

Even though I think cunning could use a buff, the problem is Warrior is the most balanced class in the game. Cunning is good(not great now) and I couldnt think of a buff that wouldnt teeter into too good. Cunning is fine, the other classes arent.

Mylina

Mylina

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Mo/

Also: Dwarven Stability sais hai.

MisterB

MisterB

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Oct 2005

Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

[ban]

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylina View Post
Also: Dwarven Stability sais hai.
Warrior's Cunning is not a stance. The skill doesn't need a buff in its current form, but its lack of use makes it a candidate for a functionality change.

AlsPals

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Mar 2007

Sellin hot stock tips for pro[fit]

Me/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylina View Post
Also: Dwarven Stability sais hai.
lol, guess stability is there to extend frenzy. PVE monsta FTW.

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

Unstoppable warrior is unstoppable.



~LeNa~

Cuilan

Cuilan

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mylina View Post
I just hope the OP is trolling.
We're on Guild Wars Guru. He is.

IronSheik

IronSheik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Wolfenstein: Goldrush

Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom]

N/

First suggestion is mediocre at best.

Second suggestion at 45r sounds reasonable, I find no slot on my bar to take it over in its current form.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Warrior's Cunning has show up in the "optional" slot on hammer bars every now and then. Lower it to 45r and you'd see it there more often. Whether that's a good thing I'm not so sure, all it does is enable omegaspikes.

subarucar

subarucar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

New Zealand

None

I have an idea. Lets makes a "how to balance this skill" thread for every current underpowered skill. Superb way to make Sardelac overflow.

Mylina

Mylina

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Mo/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterB View Post
Warrior's Cunning is not a stance. The skill doesn't need a buff in its current form, but its lack of use makes it a candidate for a functionality change.
Forgot, sorry. Makes the suggestion even worse. Unblockable + IAS ftw lol.

Snow Bunny

Snow Bunny

Alcoholic From Yale

Join Date: Jul 2007

Strong Foreign Policy [sFp]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokeiro View Post
If the suggestion is so lol'able and the skill is so fantastic, could you point me to a nice build where this skill is used?

Thank you
http://www.gw-memorial.net/nav/b_pase_i.php?id=26

herro

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

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Join Date: Mar 2007

Our Crabs Know True [LOVE]

R/

You want it to be used in PvP meta, which means one thing. It has to be the BEST option for a build. No other skill can do what it does, or that skill would be used instead. I'd actually be happier to see an energy boost to 10 with a duration/recharge of 8/10. Can't be maintained 100%, and will drain energy super fast. Not totally sure on numbers, but if it were changed, I'd be happier to see something where energy was a concern to keep it balanced. Could have it ready often, but would have to monitor energy closely to be able to use it when needed.

IrishX

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2008

W/

Quote:
Originally Posted by MagmaRed View Post
You want it to be used in PvP meta, which means one thing. It has to be the BEST option for a build. No other skill can do what it does, or that skill would be used instead. I'd actually be happier to see an energy boost to 10 with a duration/recharge of 8/10. Can't be maintained 100%, and will drain energy super fast. Not totally sure on numbers, but if it were changed, I'd be happier to see something where energy was a concern to keep it balanced. Could have it ready often, but would have to monitor energy closely to be able to use it when needed.
If it can be used often, it would be overpowered. Dropping shock on an axe bar actually frees up a lot of energy, and it would allow it to be available for every spike. As much as I'm sure everyone loves sitting at the stand for 28 minutes spiking people out while your fire ele camps their lord, encouraging more of that is not the way to go.

Rhamia Darigaz

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cuilan View Post
We're on Guild Wars Guru. He's just bad.
fixed.
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Tenebrae

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishX View Post
If it can be used often, it would be overpowered. Dropping shock on an axe bar actually frees up a lot of energy, and it would allow it to be available for every spike. As much as I'm sure everyone loves sitting at the stand for 28 minutes spiking people out while your fire ele camps their lord, encouraging more of that is not the way to go.
It doesnt change the fact that 60rech is BS. You can still blind , cripple and hex the warrior to hell while using W Cunning.
Lower Rech to 45 or add an effect like "if you miss an attack , this skill ends and recharges 10....22....30% faster" . For PvP QQs , you can make a split of this skill .

Evil Eye

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

P/Me

i think b surge should cause exhaustion

Expherious

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Dec 2007

Wolfenstein Fuel Dump

Melandru's Elite Hunters [Hunt]

D/

I think if it was switched to tactics it would be enough of a buff even

jonnieboi05

jonnieboi05

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

Mableton, Georgia

Guild Ancestors Reunited [?????????]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mokeiro View Post
If the suggestion is so lol'able and the skill is so fantastic, could you point me to a nice build where this skill is used?

Thank you
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snow Bunny View Post
This wins thread.



~LeNa~

Reverend Dr

Reverend Dr

Forge Runner

Join Date: Dec 2005

Super Fans Of Gaile [ban]

W/

I have fond memories of warrior's cunning. Back during original prophecies with the original lingering curse two warriors with it up could train down just about anything faster than boon prots could keep it up.

Chocobo1

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

We need more balance suggestions from players who only play in RA.

Hugh Manatee

Hugh Manatee

Jungle Guide

Join Date: May 2007

Nice But Deadly[nice]

N/

It's functionality is borkened. unblockable warriors are evil... Maybe make it sort of a self preservation skill, like an effect similar to what lieutenant's insignias does, it might see play in splits, AB or FA but it's current effect is kinda too hard to balance against it's strength.

Also, some skills are in this game to be fought against, like mobs in HM have no energy issues, and the recharge is half what it is, so it's something interesting to fight against.

lemming

lemming

The Hotshot

Join Date: May 2006

Honolulu

International District [id???]

Warrior's Cunning does not need a buff.

Martin Alvito

Martin Alvito

Older Than God (1)

Join Date: Aug 2006

Clan Dethryche [dth]

The last time I remember Warrior's Cunning being used was in early IWAYs. It was very, very evil, providing clean spikes on demand and adding just enough extra pressure to break backlines. That was with the current 60s recharge.

Making physical damage overpowered is always a poor idea. Let's not unleash 4+ melee builds on GW again.