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Ownage Ritual Lord

Ownage Ritual Lord

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2009

Almighty Kurzicks of Cantha

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02 Nov 2009 at 23:11 - 1
My main is my ritualist, and I have gotten him so far that I dont want to spend my time on any other guy. Some things bug me while I play him.

Ritualist fighting style: When I run spirit's strength builds I look like a tard. I throw spears like a idiot, and attack with daggers just as dumb. I mean who throws a spear like that. When I run my spear set, and I throw the spear I just look plain dumb.

Buff Communing: Something needs to be said about probably the worst attribute line of any class. Communing is supposed to be the "spirit" attribute according to the main info on the wiki about rits. Channeling has sos, bloodsong, and if you run vampirism you are set. Buff communing to do what it was suppose to do.

Half the spirits last half as long as the recharge and cost around 15 en. Not worth it.

Those are my two problems running a rit. Anyone else think that the rits throw spears wrong. Anet put the monk spear throwing for the rits, simple. Buff communing to do what it was suppose to. Lower the recharge, Lower the en to cast, and buff them in general, I am forced to run sos every group cus thats the only build they are known for. Change it up anet, please I am begging you.

But if you nerf SoS, you will have extinct most of the rits so dont do that...... or else.....

Chocobo1

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02 Nov 2009 at 23:20 - 2
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
My main is my ritualist, and I have gotten him so far that I dont want to spend my time on any other guy. Some things bug me while I play him.

Ritualist fighting style: When I run spirit's strength builds I look like a tard. I throw spears like a idiot, and attack with daggers just as dumb. I mean who throws a spear like that. When I run my spear set, and I throw the spear I just look plain dumb.

Buff Communing: Something needs to be said about probably the worst attribute line of any class. Communing is supposed to be the "spirit" attribute according to the main info on the wiki about rits. Channeling has sos, bloodsong, and if you run vampirism you are set. Buff communing to do what it was suppose to do.

Half the spirits last half as long as the recharge and cost around 15 en. Not worth it.

Those are my two problems running a rit. Anyone else think that the rits throw spears wrong. Anet put the monk spear throwing for the rits, simple. Buff communing to do what it was suppose to. Lower the recharge, Lower the en to cast, and buff them in general, I am forced to run sos every group cus thats the only build they are known for. Change it up anet, please I am begging you.

But if you nerf SoS, you will have extinct most of the rits so dont do that...... or else.....
Huge troll, but I'll respond anyway.

I love the way Rits use every weapon. Their animation is very unique and actually comes across really well. Why would you change that. Also, I bolded your problem. Also lol @ complaining at spirit rits. I'd buff Spawning Power over communing tbh, it's still not really that flash.

Ownage Ritual Lord

Ownage Ritual Lord

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2009

Almighty Kurzicks of Cantha

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02 Nov 2009 at 23:29 - 3
Not complaining that spirits rits are bad, but get very boring. I like to run many different builds, and monks, necros, eles can do that but rits are restricted. I love rits though

Chocobo1

Chocobo1

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02 Nov 2009 at 23:32 - 4
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Not complaining that spirits rits are bad, but get very boring. I like to run many different builds, and monks, necros, eles can do that but rits are restricted. I love rits though
Rits have far more freedom than those classes.

Twin Blade Warriror

Twin Blade Warriror

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I was in a guild by myself with 2 of my other accounts..but im banned now

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03 Nov 2009 at 00:15 - 5
they raised up the energy on the spirits because u use to be able to spam spirits known as rit lords ^^ was very fun

Eragon Zarroc

Eragon Zarroc

Atra estern?? ono thelduin

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Madness Incarnate

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03 Nov 2009 at 00:28 - 6
meh, rits were just buffed. like to run many different builds? find a good build and get 'better' at it till ur prosauce

IronSheik

IronSheik

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03 Nov 2009 at 00:49 - 7
Like eragon said, rits were just buffed.

Granted communing needs a little rework, as do plenty of skills in GW. (Lamentation anyone?)

Captain Bulldozer

Captain Bulldozer

Wilds Pathfinder

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Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

03 Nov 2009 at 01:24 - 8
Anyone who thinks communing is a bad line needs their head examined. Communing has: Pain, Shadowsong, Shelter, Displacement, and Union. If this weren't enough (lol what more support could you ask for!? Party wide prots and blinding every 2 seconds isn't enough??) it also has restoration... a party wide rez for 10 energy, not to mention plenty of other useful utility spirits! Rits are currently one of the most powerful classes in PvE atm, and are capable or playing the roll of several party members at once with little to no management. Asking for buffs to rits at this point is like asking for ecto to start dropping in Pre-searing.

Expherious

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03 Nov 2009 at 01:31 - 9
What the OP really meant to put was Buff Dervishes, and tbh Rits just got such a good buff that literally you can play a /Rt and kick ass with anything now.

IronSheik

IronSheik

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03 Nov 2009 at 01:31 - 10
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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
Anyone who thinks communing is a bad line needs their head examined. Communing has: Pain, Shadowsong, Shelter, Displacement, and Union. If this weren't enough (lol what more support could you ask for!? Party wide prots and blinding every 2 seconds isn't enough??) it also has restoration... a party wide rez for 10 energy, not to mention plenty of other useful utility spirits!
Shelter displacement and union are bad most of the time, they live thru about 10 hits, a few more if under armor of unfeeling, and usually just let minions live longer.

Shadowsong is crap because in both PvE and PvP it's hard to control what they hit.

Pain and anguish are good (In PvE)

Restoration is bad because if you need a AoE res we shall return is better, and don't even tell me it's good in Pvp.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Communing

Brutal weapon is only used in gimmicks
Disenchantment is garbage, dissonance is garbage
Dulled weapon sucks, signet of ghostly might is outclassed, wanderlust sucks.

Only thing that is mildly useful is weapon of quickening, vital weapon at times and sundering weapon.

Ownage Ritual Lord

Ownage Ritual Lord

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2009

Almighty Kurzicks of Cantha

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03 Nov 2009 at 01:53 - 11
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Originally Posted by IronSheik View Post
Shelter displacement and union are bad most of the time, they live thru about 10 hits, a few more if under armor of unfeeling, and usually just let minions live longer.

Shadowsong is crap because in both PvE and PvP it's hard to control what they hit.

Pain and anguish are good (In PvE)

Restoration is bad because if you need a AoE res we shall return is better, and don't even tell me it's good in Pvp.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Communing

Brutal weapon is only used in gimmicks
Disenchantment is garbage, dissonance is garbage
Dulled weapon sucks, signet of ghostly might is outclassed, wanderlust sucks.

Only thing that is mildly useful is weapon of quickening, vital weapon at times and sundering weapon.

This is what im talking about, communing sucks

Aba

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

03 Nov 2009 at 02:24 - 12
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My main is my ritualist, and I have gotten him so far that I dont want to spend my time on any other guy. Some things bug me while I play him.

Ritualist fighting style: When I run spirit's strength builds I look like a tard. I throw spears like a idiot, and attack with daggers just as dumb. I mean who throws a spear like that. When I run my spear set, and I throw the spear I just look plain dumb.

Buff Communing: Something needs to be said about probably the worst attribute line of any class. Communing is supposed to be the "spirit" attribute according to the main info on the wiki about rits. Channeling has sos, bloodsong, and if you run vampirism you are set. Buff communing to do what it was suppose to do.

Half the spirits last half as long as the recharge and cost around 15 en. Not worth it.

Those are my two problems running a rit. Anyone else think that the rits throw spears wrong. Anet put the monk spear throwing for the rits, simple. Buff communing to do what it was suppose to. Lower the recharge, Lower the en to cast, and buff them in general, I am forced to run sos every group cus thats the only build they are known for. Change it up anet, please I am begging you.

Please stop playing Rit.
If your having problems spirit spamming, you need to play a different class.
and complaining about how they throw spears? gimme a break ........go play paragon and use rit as secondary.
Problem solved.

IronSheik

IronSheik

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03 Nov 2009 at 02:44 - 13
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Originally Posted by Scar ra View Post
Please stop playing Rit.
If your having problems spirit spamming, you need to play a different class.
and complaining about how they throw spears? gimme a break ........go play paragon and use rit as secondary.
Problem solved.
Spirit's Strength Bro? Spawning power bro?

Aba

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

03 Nov 2009 at 02:51 - 14
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Spirit's Strength Bro? Spawning power bro?
Bro what are yout talking about Bro?
Spawning powerbro? what about it Bro?
OP was complainging about spirits Bro,Not Spirit's Strength
Bro so Bro whats up bro.....i ment bro that if he is having problems with spirits he shouldnt use them cause there deadly as is. This is one of the most versitile class in Guildwars. and OP wants its buffed......nah bro nah

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

P/W

03 Nov 2009 at 03:47 - 15
Ritualists have versatility that is only rivaled by Necros

Ritualists can spirit spam, they can be MMs and Minion bombers, They can heal and prot, They can do ranged DPS with SS spear throwers, they can melee DPS (if you want lol) with a SS scythe, they can play assist with Weapon Spells and other type builds...

frankly they don't even do a 'decent' job at them, they do a pretty damn good job at it. Hell, they can arguably heal better then monks, Minion bomb better then necros, Prot better then Monks (defensive spirits), and they get pretty decent DPS with SS builds.

Frankly, if you're getting bored with Ritualists, you should play a different game because Ritualists can cover a hell of a lot of ground

The Communing line have the three spirits that give ritualists their amazing prot ability, but other then that and a few skills (Pain, Anguish, and Armor of Unfeeling), so I wouldn't say the line is worthless.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

03 Nov 2009 at 04:00 - 16
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Ritualist fighting style: When I run spirit's strength builds I look like a tard. I throw spears like a idiot, and attack with daggers just as dumb. I mean who throws a spear like that. When I run my spear set, and I throw the spear I just look plain dumb.
Quit yer bitchin', the Ritualist animations are awesome.

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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Buff Communing: Something needs to be said about probably the worst attribute line of any class. Communing is supposed to be the "spirit" attribute according to the main info on the wiki about rits. Channeling has sos, bloodsong, and if you run vampirism you are set. Buff communing to do what it was suppose to do.
Yes, communing's non-spirit skills mostly sucks. The spirits are fine as they are though. Learn to play.

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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Half the spirits last half as long as the recharge and cost around 15 en. Not worth it.
LEARN. TO. PLAY. RITUALIST.

/notsigned
/please lock or move to off-topic

Gwenl0r

Gwenl0r

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Apr 2008

The Oath Of Omen

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03 Nov 2009 at 04:41 - 17
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Ritualist fighting style: When I run spirit's strength builds I look like a tard. I throw spears like a idiot, and attack with daggers just as dumb. I mean who throws a spear like that. When I run my spear set, and I throw the spear I just look plain dumb.
Don't play anything but SoS then? Animations are unique to every profession for every weapon..Rit's are meant to be blind if im not mistaken, perhaps this is why it looks "strange"..And Rit animations are very well done and quite good to look at with certain weapons than most other classes..It's just a nice change of pace and a good addition.

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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Anyone else think that the rits throw spears wrong.
I'm sure if you wore a blinding facemask you would throw them the same way..It looks nice, stop complaining pleaseandthankyou.

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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Anet put the monk spear throwing for the rits, simple.
Ohhh..That way it can be more like other MMO's in which all classes have the same animation and have no variety? Good one.



Rit's fine..They just got buffed as others ave said as well..No need to complain over silly issues only you seem to have a problem about.

MagmaRed

MagmaRed

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03 Nov 2009 at 05:21 - 18
"Ritualists fighting style" is personal opinion. Anet has yet to make a change to the game because anyone (single or thousands) thought it was ugly. Some people like it, some don't. Learn to live with it.

Communing is far from bad. As noted, it has some very nice spirits, as well as some nice spells. Pure Communing builds are typically average at best, but a hybrid build running Communing+Channeling or Communing+Restoration are quite powerful. Individual skills may need a fwe tweaks, but the attribute isn't in need of a buff or even an overhaul. If an attribute was in need of that, it would be Spawning Power or Tactics.

IronSheik

IronSheik

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03 Nov 2009 at 06:28 - 19
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Originally Posted by Scar ra View Post
OP was complainging about spirits Bro,Not Spirit's Strength
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
When I run spirit's strength builds
Yeah bro. 12 chars bro

Aba

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

03 Nov 2009 at 06:48 - 20
Troll feeding time...
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Originally Posted by Scar ra View Post
OP was complainging about spirits Bro,Not Spirit's Strength
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
When I run spirit's strength builds
Yeah bro. 12 chars bro
He wrote this....Bro
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Ritualist fighting style: When I run spirit's strength builds I look like a tard. I throw spears like a idiot, and attack with daggers just as dumb. I mean who throws a spear like that. When I run my spear set, and I throw the spear I just look plain dumb.
Looks like to me he is complaining here about attack animations not the skill...
BRO !

Ferminator

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2009

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03 Nov 2009 at 07:14 - 21
communing is fine. what needs a haul up is the channeling magic spells. (yes i herdz that they were nerfed cause of pvp). high energy, high recharge, long cast time and mediocre damage is only fun for pawning level 12 tengu.

IronSheik

IronSheik

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03 Nov 2009 at 07:28 - 22
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Originally Posted by Scar ra View Post
Troll feeding time...

He wrote this....Bro

Looks like to me he is complaining here about attack animations not the skill...
BRO !
Wouldn't see those animations if he didn't use spirit's strength builds bro.

Aba

Aba

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Dec 2006

Vancouver,Canada

03 Nov 2009 at 07:54 - 23
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Wouldn't see those animations if he didn't use spirit's strength builds bro.

Im gonna wait and see if you see the fail in what you just posted.
My guess you will not figure it out....
BRO

Kitor

Academy Page

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03 Nov 2009 at 12:59 - 24
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Originally Posted by Scar ra View Post
Im gonna wait and see if you see the fail in what you just posted.
My guess you will not figure it out....
BRO
I don't think you understand what is being said between you and Iron. OP said he hated Rit animations, so you told him to play a P/Rt. But he uses Spirit's Strength, which is in Spawning Power, so he couldn't use a Spirit's Strength para.

Crippie its Tom

Frost Gate Guardian

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03 Nov 2009 at 13:09 - 25
personally I like the attack animations. how would you have them attack, they're blind!

Captain Bulldozer

Captain Bulldozer

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Servants of the Dragon Flames [SODF]

03 Nov 2009 at 14:15 - 26
Spirit's Strength is pretty much trash... sure, it looks appealing, and might even have some halfway functional uses (such as with volley or triple shot) but generally you can do a lot more damage while not using it, and at the same time offer a good amount of support through the communing or resto lines.

Now, if a rit looks funny chucking a spear around... well I can't say I'm surprised. The rit and paragon classes are not particularly suited to each other.

reaper with no name

reaper with no name

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2009

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03 Nov 2009 at 21:14 - 27
There are much bigger problems in the game than this. Heck, most of these aren't even really problems. Ritualists do something useful, and they are the best at doing at something. In other words, they're fine.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

03 Nov 2009 at 22:43 - 28
I can has PvE splinter weapon back anet? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name View Post
There are much bigger problems in the game than this. Heck, most of these aren't even really problems.
There are no problems with the GAME, it's the community of players that stomp all over the game demanding that things change to fit their needs. Sorta like how i want pve splinter weapon back?

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

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LaZy

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03 Nov 2009 at 22:46 - 29
Spirit's Strength is only typically good for spear para's abusing the fact that Asuran scan calculates +damage bonuses too, and damage stacking is good.

But as for the animations, yeah... typically they aren't 'blind', but they wear the headgear to block their sight to better connect with the spirit world, I do believe.

That's why I never understood why Kormir just didn't become a Ritualist :P I mean she's halfway there already.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

03 Nov 2009 at 23:53 - 30
Basically OP does not like Ritualist but still wants to play one. So he wants it redone for his benefit (and the detriment of Ritualist fans).

Drelias Melaku

Drelias Melaku

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04 Nov 2009 at 21:33 - 31
Are you seriously here bitching about their animations? ANIMATIONS, of all things? I like their animations, personally. It's been said before, but their animations are unique. <3 Very cool.

If you don't like playing Channeling, find another build. Make one yourself, be creative, dip into other classes.. And stop caring so much about the animations.

MagmaRed

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04 Nov 2009 at 22:03 - 32
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Originally Posted by Captain Bulldozer View Post
The rit and paragon classes are not particularly suited to each other.
Yep, which is why Anet never added Vocal Was Sogolon to the skill set for Ritualists.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

04 Nov 2009 at 23:05 - 33
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed View Post
Yep, which is why Anet never added Vocal Was Sogolon to the skill set for Ritualists.
The only place I've found VwS EVER useful is in JQ for the runner shouts.

The only other potential application would be TNtF upkeep, but as I recall ArenaNet nerfed it specifically because Ritualists had the ill manners to use the intended synergy between the two skills.

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

Still looking

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05 Nov 2009 at 03:46 - 34
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Ritualist fighting style: When I run spirit's strength builds I look like a tard. I throw spears like a idiot, and attack with daggers just as dumb. I mean who throws a spear like that. When I run my spear set, and I throw the spear I just look plain dumb.
You want a stupid combat animation? Play paragon with a meele wep. I like my rit flailing around like a drunk man.
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
Buff Communing: Something needs to be said about probably the worst attribute line of any class. Communing is supposed to be the "spirit" attribute according to the main info on the wiki about rits. Channeling has sos, bloodsong, and if you run vampirism you are set. Buff communing to do what it was suppose to do.
You've obviously never played pvp before communing was trashed. Rit lords were broken in all forms of pvp. Communing should remain in the state that it's in until its completly reworked. Even a pve update still gives you strong damage mitigation. Look at arkfenway or w/e it's called now.


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But if you nerf SoS, you will have extinct most of the rits so dont do that...... or else.....
Because it's not like there were any rits before SoS was buffed...

/notsigned

Ownage Ritual Lord

Ownage Ritual Lord

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Aug 2009

Almighty Kurzicks of Cantha

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10 Nov 2009 at 01:26 - 35
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Originally Posted by The Drunkard View Post

You've obviously never played pvp before communing was trashed. Rit lords were broken in all forms of pvp. Communing should remain in the state that it's in until its completly reworked. Even a pve update still gives you strong damage mitigation. Look at arkfenway or w/e it's called now.

/notsigned
You honestly think communing is good. High en and high recharge for what a crap spirit that does little. Nothing is good on that like cept weapon of quickening and pain. 2 skills cant carry a whole attribute line

Axel Zinfandel

Axel Zinfandel

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

Northeastern Ohio

LaZy

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10 Nov 2009 at 04:44 - 36
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
You honestly think communing is good. High en and high recharge for what a crap spirit that does little. Nothing is good on that like cept weapon of quickening and pain. 2 skills cant carry a whole attribute line
Good or widely used skills:

Armor of Unfeeling
Displacement
Mighty Was Vorizun
Pain
Shelter
Sundering Weapon
Union
Vital Weapon
Signet of Ghostly Might
Weapon of Quickening

So-So or Niche skills:
Anguish
Brutal Weapon
Disenchantment (arguably a bad skill)
Dissonance (arguably a bad skill)
Earthbind
Shadowsong
Wanderlust

That is more than two.

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

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10 Nov 2009 at 04:51 - 37
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Originally Posted by Ownage Ritual Lord View Post
You honestly think communing is good. High en and high recharge for what a crap spirit that does little. Nothing is good on that like cept weapon of quickening and pain. 2 skills cant carry a whole attribute line
Please quote me where I say that communing is good. Communing is BROKEN. The shelter+union combo usually gives a team ~10 sec of damage mitigation in Pve, which is useful when you are running heavy dps. Decreasing the recharge makes the build ridiculous. You could have 2 rits chaining the spirits and making the team pretty much invulnerable. In pvp, in order to do damage the other team you would have to constantly kill the spirits, which the rits could just pop right up again. A decreased recharge would push the stupid hex meta back since no one would be able to spike.

Communing was nerfed for a reason.

Riot Narita

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Apr 2007

10 Nov 2009 at 11:01 - 38
Now I have to put spears on Razah and Xandra, just to see what they look like.
Then daggers etc.