Please Bring back Hero Battles

Chocobo1

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

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Argh, it was one of the few things I enjoyed doing in my spare time. It was a very unique format of PvP and was quite challenging. I'm suggesting to bring it back in an unrated and unsupported form. I really don't care if it remains how it was, I just want it back.

I understand it had many issues, and that it didn't appeal to many players. But I still feel that quite a few players enjoyed the format before it became RR day money frenzy. I still don't understand the reason to remove it in the first place rather than just strip it of its zquest (or tone it down), as many aspects of the game have been neglected for long periods of time and aren't totally removed from the game. Anyways just wanting to see how many people felt the same, I know it wasn't really popular here but can't think of any better ways to show support for it.

Gift3d

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

it was total shit since the beginning, everything about it was broken and flawed, it was the same garbage vs the same garbage, and five billion other reasons you can read in every other thread.

if they brought it back as no reward - no ladder - no nothing absolutely nothing, nobody would play it. it'd be dead guaranteed. there's like 3 of you in all of guild wars that actually enjoyed that trash, the rest just were in it to reap the benefits. the ridiculously easy, griefing, exploitable benefits.

iTwilight

Academy Page

Join Date: Aug 2009

Shadow Form is Underpowered [Lies]

Mo/

Thats funny, I believe there was regular competition between the first 1-1000 and also alot more, maybe count up to the 5000th rank.
So you're telling me 3 people have between them 5000 accounts?

Or your statistics are overly exhagerated and wrong.

majikmajikmajik

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2007

SATown~Tx

Guild Hopper!

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no, but more or less it was only 3-10 people anyone even cared about, nearly the rest tryed to /roll.

AKB48

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

It was the bull's sht of GW, the epitome of worthlessness, HB that is.

subarucar

subarucar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

New Zealand

None

Quote:
Originally Posted by iTwilight View Post
Thats funny, I believe there was regular competition between the first 1-1000 and also alot more, maybe count up to the 5000th rank.
So you're telling me 3 people have between them 5000 accounts?

Or your statistics are overly exhagerated and wrong.
There was definately not competetion in the top 5000. 90% of the matches I played in the top 5k were tanking, rollers, RR'ers etc.
While his statistics may be slightly exagerated, they are not far from what is true, few people enjoyed HB and took it seriously.

And many top HB'ers have multiple accounts. Just as [rawr] have multiple guilds.

And yes I agree with Chocobo, I wouldn't play HB, but some people still might. If it were to remain it would have no title and no zquest.
But now it's gone and HB outpost = Codex outpost, I don't see much point as they would need to revamp another outpost and redo the coding, not worth the effort for the crap that was HB.

Chocobo1

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

Awww T_T I don't understand why everyone thought it was so crap. I never got to the real top of HB so I guess I missed out on the huge shadow step abuse. To me HB was fighting a Sin or Monk copied from wiki and outplaying him. I enjoyed it <_<;

Benderama

Benderama

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Jul 2008

UK

[Rage]

Rt/

i didn't play much of it, but i thoguht it was unique. the only thing they'd need to fix is the unrated system (no way for new players to start). if people think HB is bad they'd need to RA which is just a free for all where your success is in the hands of random people

Marzipan Marci

Marzipan Marci

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2009

In my own dimension.

Golden Eternity [金金金金]

W/

I liked HB because it was the only place in GW PvP where if you have failed it was only your own fault.

N E D M

N E D M

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2006

Officer's Club

Gameamp Guides [AMP]

lol in before close as this will not ever happen -
at least not before inscriptions are removed from in game and 7 heroes are available

subarucar

subarucar

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2006

New Zealand

None

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marzipan Marci View Post
I liked HB because it was the only place in GW PvP where if you have failed it was only your own fault.
Wrong. People blamed the AI for being bad countless times.

I R PWN U: "Arghh stupid Dunkoro"
Player "IR PWN U" has left the game.

Silent Hunter Xx

Silent Hunter Xx

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jul 2006

Republic of Ireland

W/

ahh must say i enjoyed it and would like to see it back but i cant see that happening unfortunately. ahh well, was good fun while it lasted.

Draikin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Seeing the lack of popularity of CA, I don't see a problem with bringing back HB in a form that's closer to RA. What I mean by that is remove the ATs or ladder, and reward Victory points only on a number of consecutive wins. This would deal with a number of problems, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the format become more popular than CA in this way.

jiggles

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marzipan Marci View Post
I liked HB because it was the only place in GW PvP where if you have failed it was only your own fault.
If you played on crossing and lost, it sure as shit was not your own fault.

NoConnection

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jan 2007

A/W

i say bring back the ladder in the official site, if you noticed a player that was in the ladder at the day hb was removed and for instance that day he made 2months of not playing hb, 1 month later he got deleted from the ladder for not playing for 3 months. I have one thing to say: NICE F****** JOKE ANET

sonofthort

sonofthort

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2006

The Legends Of Melee [SSBM]

Mo/

I agree, Codex arena was a great idea, but there was really no good reason to remove TA and HB. It's a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing game, people that like TA should still be able to play TA regardless of how unbalanced it is, and the same goes for HB. All you are doing by removing it is making the game slightly less diverse and slightly less fun. Screw titles, if ppl want to title farm, good for them, I've got better things to do than sit in HB all day Red resigning just to get a fricken title, and personally would much rather prefer to actual play HB than worry about a title.

Pursh

Pursh

Academy Page

Join Date: Jun 2009

Moscow, Russia

[lion] IGN: Monk Elvara

Mo/

If anything should come back, its TA.

IronSheik

IronSheik

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2008

Wolfenstein: Goldrush

Zombies Go Nom Nom [Nom]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marzipan Marci View Post
I liked HB because it was the only place in GW PvP where if you have failed it was only your own fault.
This, if you lost you can't manipulate AI on crossing.

I want either HB or just a form of 1v1 combat.

"Sealed Deck" as it is so called, isn't even true to it's name. Is a team setup where almost everyone wanted random. And now glad points are even more harder to get due to TA loss.

Braxton619

Braxton619

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jul 2008

A/W

/notsigned

Hero Battles were never fun, people used the hero build on pvxwiki, and it got really boring.

Gift3d

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by iTwilight View Post
Thats funny, I believe there was regular competition between the first 1-1000 and also alot more, maybe count up to the 5000th rank.
So you're telling me 3 people have between them 5000 accounts?

Or your statistics are overly exhagerated and wrong.
was an OBVIOUS exaggeration. thanks, captain OBVIOUS. way to take an OBVIOUS exaggeration seriously.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2007

No one cares what anyone of you think. Anet, bring HB back please.

BlackSephir

BlackSephir

Forge Runner

Join Date: Nov 2006

A/N

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrisworld View Post
No one cares what anyone of you think. Anet, bring HB back please.
Please don't, and don't give a shit what chris says. I doubt they do anyway.

prey monkie

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Mar 2009

[OhNo] Mallyx and Friends

Mo/

Don't Bring HB back bring TA back with some extra features so u dont get rolled by some g9 team^^ altho dont flame on this, I liked RR day people were happy and friendly (prob cuz they know they made easy money) but still it was fun^^

Gift3d

Gift3d

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Las Vegas

Enraged Whiny Carebears [oR]

W/E

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSephir View Post
Please don't, and don't give a shit what chris says. I doubt they do anyway.
it won't happen and there's nothing they can do about it.

let em qq.

Devastating Flames

Devastating Flames

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Jun 2008

The Canthan Defenders

E/Mo

TA and HB are done they wont be comming back no matter how much u all qq over this thier gone anet is not going to put in more time on an area they have removed to bring it back when thier being pushed to finish gw,the xunai house and other updates. thier gone

Shayne Hawke

Shayne Hawke

Departed from Tyria

Join Date: May 2007

Clan Dethryche [dth]

R/

TA and HB aren't coming back, and they have no reason to come back.

Regulus X

Regulus X

Banned

Join Date: Oct 2007

N/A

D/W

I say bring back TA, offer doubled rewards as that of RA, ASSASSINATE ALL GIMMICK BARS TO HELL for TA ONLY [i.e. Shovespike, RtL, etc..] and let the fun ensue!

I don't personally see why Anet can't just tailor/nerf skills for specific arenas exclusively tbh..

Premium Unleaded

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2005

Hero Battle was a potentially decent concept that was absymally executed because it epic failed in actually being hero battles.

What the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO does cap n' squat have to do with PvP? Even AB requires you to spec for offense. A hero version of TA would have been more interesting.

Chocobo1

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

^Post above me is a good idea, although I really don't care if they put it back the way it used to be, as long as I get it back.

First off to all the people saying "ITS NEVER GUNNA HAPPEN QQQQQQ", I'm well aware of the amazingly slim chances of this actually getting it back. That said, that probably applies to 99% of the suggestions in Sardelac anyway. But the point of Sardelac is to offer a suggestion on what you would like to see implemented in the game, and so I am doing so.

Secondly, actual HB did have its fair share of problems, and if it was put it back in it would be a great bonus to have Crossing taken out of the map rotation, although I'm fairly sure this was suggested for many years without Anet bothering to do it. Either way, HB had it's flaws but so does most of the game anyway. If you didn't like HB thats fine, I'm aware the majority didn't like it. But I do believe there are quite a few people who did enjoy HB, bugs and all.

FengShuiDove

FengShuiDove

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2007

Trinity of the Ascended [ToA]

A/

It was soooo degenerate... I enjoyed it when I first played but seeing the same thing over and over and over just drove me insane. And talk about AI influence on PvP... 6/8 AI players is just too abusable in so many ways...

/notsigned

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

Still looking

Rt/

/notsigned
Anet said that HB was flawed, so they removed it. It's not comming back.

Elnino

Elnino

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: May 2008

In a house

Proof Of A Nets Laziness[HB]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Drunkard View Post
/notsigned
Anet said that HB was flawed, so they removed it. It's not comming back.
It was flawed because Anet never payed any attention to it and never did any skill balances for it. We payed the price for the problems they caused.

FoxBat

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Apr 2006

Amazon Basin [AB]

Mo/Me

Hero battles was flawed because it used heroes. It wasn't a small handful of skils "ruining the format", it's that whatever high-level match wasn't determined by build wars, was instead determined by whether your hero tripped for a few seconds at some point, and you fall forever behind the capwars. Well, all the matches that weren't fixed/resigned that is, including the past several mAT finals.

Also HB *was* basically TA when only the center shrine counted for morale. 90% of people played spirit spam and the remaining 10% tried to fight it with fire overload.

Draikin

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: May 2005

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat View Post
Hero battles was flawed because it used heroes.
That's the same excuse Anet used, and yet CA has lost its playerbase faster than any other PvP format Anet has introduced.

Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxBat
Also HB *was* basically TA when only the center shrine counted for morale. 90% of people played spirit spam and the remaining 10% tried to fight it with fire overload.
It wasn't like TA at all, the fact that you still had to split between shrines was one of the major reasons spirit spam worked (other than being horribly overpowered at the time). It didn't help that spirits bug heroes either.

Hyperventilate

Hyperventilate

Krytan Explorer

Join Date: Nov 2007

Somewhere in California

I Gots A Crayon [Blue]

Me/Mo

No way HB is coming back...

I recall A-net monitoring the amount of games played. I can't remember the source, though, but they said that there was only an influx on RR days. Go figure.


I can sympathize with losing something you enjoy, I've never played HB, but from what I see, it's best if it stays gone.

Perhaps you can learn to love another format?

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Nov 2007

Still looking

Rt/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Elnino View Post
It was flawed because Anet never payed any attention to it and never did any skill balances for it. We payed the price for the problems they caused.
Stop trying to be the victim. It's Anet's game and they can do whatever they want with it. Do you honestly think that they are going to revert that mess of a arena based on a suggestion forum? The only things Anet ever takes from these threads are ideas for new ideas to implement in their game to keep it alive a bit longer.

AKB48

AKB48

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2008

みやき町

Mo/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Premium Unleaded View Post
Hero Battle was a potentially decent concept that was absymally executed because it epic failed in actually being hero battles.

What the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO does cap n' squat have to do with PvP? Even AB requires you to spec for offense. A hero version of TA would have been more interesting.
What would be a good idea is for players to fight 1v1, without any outside help. However, then it would eliminate alot of classes from play, since people will just run spike builds or heavy damage builds. So then Anet is like.....since that wouldn't work, we will just add heros, and on top of that, we will add shrines to make it even better.


Well.....things just didn't work out the way Anet wanted it to, sucks for them, and for us.

dusanyu

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Nov 2007

Illusion of skillz [Iz]

W/E

People are mad because they cant abuse the dead format for Red Resign keys

/thread

Chocobo1

Chocobo1

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Sep 2007

New Zealand

CoA

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by dusanyu View Post
People are mad because they cant abuse the dead format for Red Resign keys

/thread
Do not post unless you have read the thread.

Kattar

Kattar

EXCESSIVE FLUTTERCUSSING

Join Date: Mar 2007

SMS (lolgw2placeholder)

Me/

Cool, another one of these threads. This has been suggested before, pretty much all over the forum.

No need for another thread.