Expected to be a perma sin...

Okay, i don't know if I post this at the right place here at the forum. ^^ But if so, sorry and somebody needs to move it somewhere else.

Almost 3 months ago I started my Assassin and since I started it I have had a lot of fun with it. Soon it became my main-character and I completed every campain on it. Also I am still working on different titles and trying to doing all bonuses/masters etc.

Because my brother was doing Zaishen Quests I tried it out too. (never done before, don't laugh at me xD) So from that time on I did some missions in HM to get the zaishen reward (coins + points and gold) and I enjoyed it.
Usually I only did the Zaishen Mission, but two days ago I wanted to try the bounty for the first time. (Slavers' Exile) I accepted the quest and went to Umbral Grotto, searched a party. The first thing they asked me was to ping my build. I pinged and short after I was kicked. I didn't understand why...
But after reading all messages which people shouted around, I understood you had to be a perma sin.

So I changed my build to a perma assassin, joined a party and the journey begins. Then they asked me to run to the Slavers' Exile. I runned to there. Inside they choose some cave. Then I waited for the whole team to attack some monsters etc. They became angry at me and asked me "WTF are you doing noob?". I didn't understand and asked what they mean. If I have understand them right, they expected me to run this whole dungeon for them...

So why I am writing this whole thing? I just want to fight trough to the end and not run the whole thing. Also I like a perma sin for just farming not to PvE etc. I like an assassin with dagger skills etc, just as an assassin. Not being invulnerable with Shadow Form...
Short: I'm sick of people who think an assassin is always a perma sin.

Is there anything what I can do about this. So I can join parties to do a HM dungeon without being a perma, like any other profession. Or is the only way out to this playing 'another' profession? I just want to play an assassin with different skills, not with keeping up Shadow Form.

I would like to know what you think about this...

Anyway thanks for reading!

Greetings,
Xiner

Get a group with friends/ hero and hench it. Trying to find a pug is going to be almost impossible cause they want to do it the lazy/ easy way. Even if you couldn't solo the dungeon they would want you to tank everything so they could just bring some nuker skills and finish it all.

Quote: Originally Posted by Xiner

Short: I'm sick of people who think an assassin is always a perma sin. Agree with this. GW is full of mindless ppl who think sins are good only for perma and alot of those ppl cant even PvE, all they do is get runs or something.

Ye, but isn't it possible to play an assassin with just a dagger or something else build? Just with attacking and not being invulnerable.
Or are dungeons impossible for that?

Sometimes I hope because of this SF will be nerfed... Not because of farming, but the thing I call above. Sorry for saying, but I just want to play an Assassin as an assassin. ^^ I only use perma for farming raptors etc. and trying out some farming spots.

sadly you are kind of stuck for the moment until you can find other players in your position to play with. Most people are looking for the fastest way to get everything done and SF Sin is currently how things are being done the fastest. The only way you will find others to play your style is to seek them out and join their guild. Until we see a nerf to SF that rids us of this current meta your sin will be expected to "run" everyone

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Ye, but isn't it possible to play an assassin with just a dagger or something else build? Just with attacking and not being invulnerable.
Or are dungeons impossible for that?

Sometimes I hope because of this SF will be nerfed... Not because of farming, but the thing I call above. Sorry for saying, but I just want to play an Assassin as an assassin. ^^ I only use perma for farming raptors etc. and trying out some farming spots. Yes, you can do everything in this game with an "assassin" assassin. I feel the same way, everyone wants permas always. Just play what u like, with heroes and henchmen, also find a good guild who let u play what u want to play .

What the hell did you expect from a pug? Especially one that wants perma sin?

Your only hopes are to make lots of friends, or join a Guild that actually respects you. There is a lot more to the Assassin profession than Shadow Form, but all most players will see is invulnerability.

The game is now full of noobs and the epeen who believe Perma cheese is the only thing to play. But when it's all about the grind, what do we expect

Yeah, it is unfortunate. However, in certain areas of the game, only optimal builds really function well, especially in PUGs. Believe me, I'm a big fan of all that Assassins can do, but you have to realize that for elite areas, like Slaver's Exile, "meta" builds really will be the only acceptable bars. If you want to do it balanced, you'll have to go with guild/alliance folks.

The reason: most PUG people are a stupendous failure, and either run terrible bars played poorly or good bars... played poorly. If you're consistently getting requests for perma on normal missions, however, then I totally sympathize. Nobody needs a tank for Gyala Hatchery, and scythe/dagger DPS will be so much more effective than a slow tank-n-spank team comp.

About Slavers' Exile. Some people told me that dungeon is impossible if you have an Assassin (with just a normal build, so NO perma) and a Warrior. So that it would be only possible if you have a perma sin.

But I'm sure AreaNet didn't make Slavers' Exile for perma sin only. So why are people yelling at me it's only possible with a perma sin. I mean can't a Warrior just tank and an Assassin do DPS with dagger/scythe?

I just want to play an Assassin as an Assassin... even if I play them with PUGs.

It is a sad state of affairs that people don't make groups for duncan, the whole experience is fun and can be completed in around 2 hours. You don't need a perma sin for any of it. I personally compare it to Gradius - it's long, hard battle to get through to Duncan, but he's pretty easy.

If you actually want to go through the dungeon and duke it out with them feel free to hit me up in game dude, Lunchbox October.

Going to umbral grotto on a sin and LFG is like going to Doomlore and LFG as a monk. Those towns are for dungeon running etc. The slavers bounty can be run fast on a perma so thats why the ground was looking for one.

Also for VSF (voltaic Spear Farm) the perma runs to the end of the level, gets the boss and then drags to the wall for the team to kill. Thats why they were yelling at you.

Some players just want to be as efficient as possible. Some players are impatient asses. The Venn diagram for these two groups very nearly overlap.

Now that you know what they wanted, you won't make the same mistake. Either you'll avoid those groups, or you'll run the run they were planning from the start.

If you want to do Slavers NM, I would be happy to join. My only condition is that you run a full DPS build (scythe based or dagger based) on your sin and go /W to benefit from save yourselves.

If you want to fight like a man, you can fight alongside me. PM me for details.

Unfortunately, Xiner, PUGs don't generally care what each individual player has in mind to do, they are more likely trying to finish something, and finish it quickly, which is why they bow to the Perma-Shadow Form abuse.

Find some friends who are like-minded, and I am sure you'll be able to play your Assassin as a dagger-wielding menace rather than a broken skill-abusing PermaBot.

this is the sad state of this game, when you NEED to be something in order to get into a potentaly good team.

its even sadder when a game allows you to invincacheese/run/tankNspank your way thru what should be a team based elite area.

what happened to balancedway? where is the challenge!?

SF is as worse as escape being nerfed lol.(thats imo)

The problem is your group are n00bs.
Normal people don't expect you to be a permasin AND run something for them unless you state so.

Quote: Originally Posted by Xiner

My group that did the last Slaver part for the zaishen bounty had 2 sins with SY and my SoH enchants on them. We did well.