Unfriendly community

I made a pvp only charcter after giving up on pve because it got boring playing on my own..... i made a W/N and everybody calls me a noob and tells me to leave....

Pretty much sums up why PvP is in the crapper and has been for four years.

The PvP community sucks. It's seperated now that the only thing alive is Tombs and GVG.

The PvE community is, however, lovely.

Whether PvE or PvP, it helps to join a guild that is active. Check out the "Guild Looking For" forum in the Guild Connections section or post your own thread in "Looking of Guild".

Sometimes you can't help it if you suck at a game. You're build however, you can control. It sounds to me like you were setting yourself up to be flamed. IMO op needs to stop crying and learn to take a hint. If PvP is too "serious" for you I would be happy to direct you to Ascalon.

Be brave use frenzy

it's called HA you silly pve'r

HA and GvG have been the only pvp worth mentioning for the past 4 years. this pve alliance battles and 4v4 buildwars crapfests goin on, eeew

friends list weeds out the bad players for 8v8 for me, but in ra

bad players playing ranger or war = sucks to be teamed with

bad players playing ezpz123 hex spammers/blindbots = youll never know the difference

theres effective bars my dog could play, bad players should stick to those to uhh... 'hone their skillz' while not being a burden to teammates.

Even if PvP would be serious there's nothing wrong with a non-elitism attitude.
If you call PvP too serious you either think you're really good (wether you are or not) or you had to learn it the hard way and therefore can't stand anyone else learning in a more kind way.
I was (and prolly am again as i haven't played in ages) a true noob and learned form some experienced and decent to good players. Even though I probably used the most noob-like builds they told me with a normal attitude other things would be better. That's also a way of letting noobs grow into the game and become better instead of flaming everyone away.

Saying people shouldn't play PvP if they can't handle that attitude is simply ridiculous, as if PvP is some kind of hardass underground scene where you have immense pressure and need a thick skin to survive.


To the threadstarter: if you really want to learn about PvP and become a better player you should start looking for a newplayer-friendly PvP oriented guild. They are able to tell you in a decent way what is a good combination and if they are somewhat decent skilled they can and will even tell you why.

I think with any MMO you'll have a few jerks who linger in your experience and tarnish the larger 'community'.

If you're worried about being called a newb, just head over to pvx wikia and download one of many cookie cutter builds. Then you'll be just like everyone else. But sadly no longer a special unique snowflake falling from a winter sky

I don't play 'serious' PvP but I do enjoy playing 'pve' PvP like Fort Aspenwood or Jade Quarry. These formats are much more forgiving to make-your-own-build folks and people are generally much nicer. Maybe you should start out there. Have fun!

Yeah, the PVP community sucks because of all these noobs )=
Maybe you just shouldn't play it

PvP requires you to know what you're doing. Builds are only the beginning. You need the right equipment, knowledge of the maps in the format you're doing, and the ability to think on your feet as well. PvE players don't get that and thats why they fail at PvP.

Chances are, you are doing something very wrong in very obvious way and get people pissed. You do not have 'attitude', do you?

If you are random 'shitter', noone would bother telling you those things.

Post us your bar and what you do in battle, we can help. That is, if you want to learn.

its people like you that make me use frenzy in pvp to change my build at last second in HA and be a runner or even back wen TA existed made me be blood nec suicide and u kno y? cuz u complain and you think your all good and yet even wen somethings completly ur fault you will not accept its ur fault get over it if u gunna complain "noob go back to pve" y dont u go back to kindergarden and learn to play nice

my code OQQUQ24R3aFB2v+JTblpBQAA

veiw here
http://gw.gamependium.com/tools/builds/template/

Trust me you get the same unfriendly attitude in pve too.

Alright guys, don't start flaming and harrasing each other and doing the whole "PvP is better than PvE" and vice versa. We have enough of that already on these forums. Grow up seriously.

Basically to OP is this. Find a guild that does PvP that would be willing to help you out. Everyone has to start somewhere.

Do some JQ and FA for practice. Since it doesn't really matter what you are doing there, at least it gives you a sort of feel for Player versus Player combat.

Going from PvE-PvP isn't easy. They are two completely different games basically. So there is no comparision of the two. It is all just what you prefer to do.

Good luck on going PvP and hopefully you have fun.

I feel your pain.

When I first got the game I got a W/Mo through searing at level 5 and joined a pug hoping folks would explain the game and help noob. All I got was called a F***ing noob and kicked. Happened in 3 different qroups I joined all the same day, and twice again the next day.

People don't make suggestions or try to help at all. The just swear at you and then kick you out. Seems to me like if you see a level 5 warrior in Ascalon with no titles you can expect him/her to be a noob.

All I play anymore is PVE with H/H.

In all honesty, you're setting yourself up to be flamed with a build like that. If you cannot see why, you should catch up on game mechanics and have a look at a lot of "common" builds and try to understand why they are so popular.

Your build has no skill to increase attack speed (IAS). For any warrior, that is the pure basis of a skillbar in PvP. Without IAS, your damage, and with that your usefulness, drops significantly.

Your build has no skill to increase movement speed (IMS). Any smart opponent will try to run away from you. You're missing out on a lot of damage if you cannot catch up.

Your build spreads attributes too thin. Going 11/11/7/5 Is just an overall bad idea.

Your build uses a (pretty weak) secondary elite. Warriors have way better elites, that pack a lot more damage. You're just gimping yourself here.

All in all, your build is horrible. Take a look at commonly used warrior builds and go from there. And please refrain from the whole "but I want to run a non-cookiecutter build, I'm not like all those PvXwiki noobs", because being unique doesn't make you useful.

PvP is about results, you'll need good builds if you want to get some results when you lack experience. Bad build + no experience is just the fast track to utter failure, disappointment and in the end, you'll just give up because of the "unfriendly community".

don't worry the GW community isn't like this, they're not even judging you they're instantly dismissing your build as bad but don't let that put you down! even in PvP you can be just as good as anyone else with any build. if you want a friendlier community try hanging out in kamadan or follow the blade radio crew (tune into blade radio to know where they are) they're a load of friendly people. unfortunatley in PvP most people care about winning rather than being a community but there are still nice people here

[build prof=W/N blo=11 str=7 swo=11 tac=5][Final Thrust][Sever Artery][Life Transfer][Vampiric Gaze][Endure Pain][Bull's Strike][Healing Signet][Resurrection Signet][/build]

o baby that's a brave bar

That is bad, really, really bad. Definitelly well below average.

Lets walk throught skills:

1) Is okay, but you can get much better performance if you use Gash before it.
2) Is essentially worthless unless you have Gash.
3) May look good, but it is not going to help you get kills in timely manner. At best, It is self heal that wastes elite slot. It is what makes people call you noob
4) Weak, Costs too much and is weak. It is what makes people tell you to leave
5) Endure pain is worthless and gets you killed when it runs out. It is what makes people tell you to go back to PvE
6) Is excelent choice! Best skill you brought, and extremelly usefull. Keep it.
7) Is weak, especially with amount of tactics you have, not worth it.
8) Is seccond best skill you brought.

What people see is someone with about half a skillbar. You essentially do no damage and try to keep yourself up with dubious selfheals as far as others are concerned. Replace everything except 6 and 8. You may keep 1 and 2 if you really want to.

Your worst sin is that you do not have skill causing deep wound. That is of utmost importance in PvP. Also, as warrior, there is no way you have enough energy to actually use Vamp gaze & co enough to make difference.

Lets see your attributes:

You do not have maxed weapon mastery, and do not meet shield criteria (unless you have strengtt helm or major strenght rune ... or even try to meet tactics shield criteria ... in any case, it is quite bad).

You raised blood magic up to 11. While it might be one louder than 10 (joke here), it is too much. Of two blood skills, one is extremelly weak and other takes elite slot that can be used much better.

You did not supply equipment template, but I guess it might have superior rune and radiant insignia. Neither is recomended.

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Get axe, 12/12 axe and strength, put Eviscerate, Bull strike and res signet on your bar, leave rest empty and you already have better build.

I can find myself a number of faults with JQ on both sides being lux hardly say anything (least bots spamming), but once you play with the kurz, you'll hear commentary that gets nothing short of colorful.

Damn: I've lurked here for ages, but some of the responses to the OP finally made me register to respond.


I have MMO PvPd for 11 years, and to be honest, I thought GW PvPers were a bit better than the average mouthy idiots who post on other game forums. This thread has destroyed that illusion.

I know that PvP smacktalk is part of the arsenal of both the elitists, and the wannabe elitists; but why on earth drag that nonsense into a forum?
If you are so insecure as to want to gloat when your cartoon character kills another cartoon character, then carry-on doing that ingame, but don't bring it here.


(I must admit that I find it hilarious that many PvPers laugh at the players who use Wiki "meta-builds"; but when someone tries something different, they are equally disparaging. A W/N build may not be the "best" PvP build, but at least the guy is trying something different.)

*edit*
I just read his build, and it is NOT good, but give him credit for trying something different.



To the OP: The "find a PvP guild that are willing to help/teach you" advice is the way forward. There are plenty of those about: They might not be the "best" PvP guilds, but at least you'll be welcome, and may well learn something.

There's a reason you're getting abuse. With a bar like that, you're more or less guaranteed to fail before you start. Even the best players in the game would have extreme difficulty getting results out of that bar. As other posters have mentioned, it lacks an IAS or an IMS. You can't afford your energy skills on 40 energy per minute. Endure Pain is terrible. The list goes on.

If you jumped in a car without knowing how to drive, didn't have a license, and made an ass of yourself wrecking somebody shortly after leaving home...don't you think the other driver would be a little upset with you? This is effectively what you're doing to your teammates on a smaller scale. You're wasting their time by joining their team. People don't like it when you waste their time.

If you want good results in any PvP game, you should educate yourself about the game to the fullest extent possible before sitting down to play. Then you should shut up, listen and learn...because people writing about the game can only teach you so much.

You shouldn't expect other people to be nice to you because you're new. Other people have goals they want to achieve. When you screw that up, you can expect them to get mad at you. This is true in any multiplayer game.

If you want people to be nice to you even though you're new, you need to find people that will voluntarily play with you despite this limitation. What you need to improve is to educate yourself about the game generally, change your attitude, and find an organized group that is willing to help you develop.

lol. yeah, the pvp community isn't very welcoming. tend to find arrogant people that have no problem telling you how much you suck everywhere try finding a guild that will help you learn best way.

I have to stress need for ias:

33% Increased Attack Speed essentially increases your weapon output by 50% percent and gives you 50% more adrenaline. That is THE most powerfull buff for warriors.

That is something you can not ignore.

Welcome to GW PvP. If you're truly serious about it, follow some of the advice given to you here.

If you want more advice, you can visit our Gladiator's Arena subforum, if you want advice specifically for your warrior you can visit the Warrior subforum.

I'm going to close this thread now as this has already turned into PvE vs PvP crap.