As anyone can guess, since UW is 5x as difficult to finish, FoW is definitely next on Anet's list.
So, how would you create the bar/mechanics of Menzies, whom FoW is mainly based on? Profession? Skills? Minions? Progress bar?
Here's my idea:
1) Add Commanders of Menzies.
Profession: Warrior///Weapon: Axe and Shield///
Skills:
"Halt!"(Target foe moves 90% slower for 10 seconds. After 10 seconds, they are Weakened and Crippled for 5 seconds. 15e, 0sec cast, 30r)
Cleave
Sprint
2) Commanders of Menzies are accompanied by 2 Troopers of Menzies.
Profession: Ranger///Weapon: Shortbow
Skills:
Choking Gas
Practiced Stance
Called Shot
3) Place them in entrances to zones (Forest, Beach, etc.)
4) After all quests are complete, Menzies will appear somewhere on the Battlefield(or whatever it is called, haven't FoWed in a while) and must be subdued into retreat in order to end the area.
Menzies
Level: 32
Profession: Paragon///Weapon: Spear and Shield
Skills:
"Reinforcements!": (2 random Shadow Army soldiers spawn near Menzies. 5e, 0sec cast, 45r)
Shadow Spear: (Hits for 400 shadow damage and blinds and dazes foe for 5 seconds. 10e, 30r)
"Join Us!": (Random foe in earshot becomes hostile towards their team and cannot target Menzies for 6 seconds. 5e, 0sec cast, 60r)
"SUBMIT!": (All foes in earshot take 40 shadow damage each second for 10 seconds. 15e, 0sec cast, 45r)
"Shut Up!": (All foes in earshot cannot use Shouts or Chants for 10 seconds. 10e, 0sec cast, 45r)
Banner of Menzies: Constant effect. Foes in range of Menzies cannot block his attacks, cannot hex him, and cannot blind him. Other conditions last 100% longer, and foe shouts and chants last 50% longer.
Goal: Eternal Soldiers join your fight and call upon Balthazar to cower Menzies. Their calls are easily interrupted (calls are Chants and take 5 seconds to cast) and fill bar similar to Dhuum. Except, bar is called Bathazar's Arrival and takes just as long to fill. They are unaffected by "Shut Up!".
My hopes are that it ties in with the theme of FoW and helps slow down the speed clears.
What's your idea?
FoW end-boss suggestions
Apok Omen
ddraeg cymru
In my oppinion they do need to add some form of FoW final boss.
Your ideas are pretty decent, not sure about the skills and such but something along those lines would be interesting!
-Ddraeg
Your ideas are pretty decent, not sure about the skills and such but something along those lines would be interesting!
-Ddraeg
FengShuiDove
Shadow Damage ignores armor. The armor buff is unnecessary and the 650 Shadow Damage attack is essentially a free kill on recharge.
The Paragon idea is pretty neat since he's the commander opposing Balthazar. The skills need tweaking but the concept is there.
The Paragon idea is pretty neat since he's the commander opposing Balthazar. The skills need tweaking but the concept is there.
akio pwns
very good idea.. pretty much basing idea of uw, buts thats been pretty much expected. Very good lore to lead up to gw2. Skills could deal a wee bit less damadge... i like though the idea that the battle would be like dhuum.
/signed
/signed
Coolpb
The thing is, UW was actually nerfed before Dhuum came out. Without adding in something like the skeletons to slow the progress of completing the actual quests, Menzies would just end up functioning as an end of Dungeon boss rather than something you must invest time in to get to as Dhumm is now.
Basically what I'm saying is that since there's still at least two certain ways of completing FoW in under 30 minutes with a competent team, it wouldn't be worth putting in an end boss.
Other than that i like the idea, though some skills seem too OP and I'm not to sure about that enviromental effect.
Basically what I'm saying is that since there's still at least two certain ways of completing FoW in under 30 minutes with a competent team, it wouldn't be worth putting in an end boss.
Other than that i like the idea, though some skills seem too OP and I'm not to sure about that enviromental effect.
farmerfez
the reason why the upped UW was to "nerf" Speed Clear in a way that would actually add more content and not just kill a skill. FoW doesn't really need that.
P_A_A
I'd like a little more originality. Not the same fill-the-bar-then-kill method. Do something new, dunno what, but not the same 
Hanma l
Imho there shouldn't be one, there's just no need to nerf FoW the way UW was.
isildorbiafra
I vote a Permasin EndBoss for lulz.
Zanagi Kazuhiko
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I vote a Permasin EndBoss for lulz.
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On topic, I would actally love a end-boss in FoW, like UW. Would be quite fun.
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MagmaRed
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I vote a Permasin EndBoss for lulz.
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But I agree that FoW isn't in need of such an overhaul. Might be nice to have new stuff, but I'd rather see a complete new dungeon/elite area than a change to existing stuff. Lyssa, Dwayna, and Melandru still need their own realms.
Eragon Zarroc
where would we put this mysterious new end boos in FoW? is there any pre-existing type places? the Hall of Judgement entry door has been in UW since the beginning hasn't it? is there anything similar in FoW?
Introverted Dimensions
Great idea
I think the skills could be fixed up a bit though
I think the skills could be fixed up a bit though
Coolpb
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I vote a Permasin EndBoss for lulz.
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rangereminem1984
i liek to see where a boss has a skill that stops you from using elites the whole party and make it be for like 30 seconds
Saph
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where would we put this mysterious new end boos in FoW? is there any pre-existing type places? the Hall of Judgement entry door has been in UW since the beginning hasn't it? is there anything similar in FoW?
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But I would spazz with excitement if Menzies was added to FoW as an end boss. FoW is far too easy to be an elite area and an end boss like Dhuum would really make this place worth while.
majikmajikmajik
ecto price<obby price.
difficulty doesnt need to be added.
difficulty doesnt need to be added.
x sithis x
more content ... yes please
i quit for a month or 2 came back for Halloween heard about dhuum and now im playin again non stop
i quit for a month or 2 came back for Halloween heard about dhuum and now im playin again non stop
The Drunkard
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There's actually a lot of things that can get through SF. With real people fighting said permasin he'd be down in an instant. Non-targeting pbaoe, a number of dervish skills, signets, touch skills, really could go on and on.
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as for the suggestion /signed- as long as some of the damage is tonned down.
Apok Omen
Updated the skills.
Also, even though FoWSC's are not as much of a problem as UWSC's, that does not make it that much less of a problem. That's like comparing smoking to drinking: both are bad, one is worse, but they are still a problem (healthwise, that is). The "Halt!" skill is to help slow down SF'ers that solo certain parts of the area and even weed out the PUGs. Choking Gas is just an added "FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-!"
Glad to see some positive feedback to my suggestion, but I really want to hear some others.
Also, even though FoWSC's are not as much of a problem as UWSC's, that does not make it that much less of a problem. That's like comparing smoking to drinking: both are bad, one is worse, but they are still a problem (healthwise, that is). The "Halt!" skill is to help slow down SF'ers that solo certain parts of the area and even weed out the PUGs. Choking Gas is just an added "FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU-!"
Glad to see some positive feedback to my suggestion, but I really want to hear some others.
upier
1. I'd give it two months before assessing the success of the change.
2. I'd waste time on balancing the game, than countering the imbalance.
2. I'd waste time on balancing the game, than countering the imbalance.
Scary
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Originally Posted by ddraeg cymru
In my oppinion they do need to add some form of FoW final boss.
Your ideas are pretty decent, not sure about the skills and such but something along those lines would be interesting! -Ddraeg |
MithranArkanere
It's pretty obvious that if FoW gets a boss, it would be Menzies.
And there is not much to think about him, it would be something similar to Balthazar, in the same manner Grenth has an animal skull on his head, but Dhuum is basically a walking skeleton. Since menzies controls the Shadow army, we should be a tall guy with black armor surrounded by black flames and shadows instead red flames.
And of course his skills would be all about armies and war. If he pretends to take Balthazar's seat, he must prepare himself for the job.
And there is not much to think about him, it would be something similar to Balthazar, in the same manner Grenth has an animal skull on his head, but Dhuum is basically a walking skeleton. Since menzies controls the Shadow army, we should be a tall guy with black armor surrounded by black flames and shadows instead red flames.
And of course his skills would be all about armies and war. If he pretends to take Balthazar's seat, he must prepare himself for the job.
Roupe
Menzies =Paragon Boss
Close to warrior, but intrested in leading armies.
Boss area, could be a battle area. Like a refitted alliance battle fort with Menzies taking the role of Siege leader. (vision of Lord of Destruction D2 intro)
Close to warrior, but intrested in leading armies.
Boss area, could be a battle area. Like a refitted alliance battle fort with Menzies taking the role of Siege leader. (vision of Lord of Destruction D2 intro)
Ugh
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SCs use none of those skills so I guess a permaform boss might not be that bad of an idea.
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Chronos the Defiler
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Originally Posted by MagmaRed
Lyssa, Dwayna, and Melandru still need their own realms.
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And we don;t have a single idea what Menzies may look like, but a paragon with a warrior style armor and as already stated, black armor, shadows and maybe some fire.
Cuilan
Anet shouldn't add any new content because it'll just cause more glitches and disconnects.
See Dhuum as example.
See Dhuum as example.
Scary
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What to think about that
FlawlessBody
I vote a huge fat Santa boss for Wintersday 
Tenebrae
Big P/W boss full of blocks , shouts , summon army foes and a TNTF that heals foes per 200
ChaosWarrior
A big shadow who is a necromancer boss... he looks like dead himself and scares alot of people. The skills he have aren't invincible but not too easy (easier than dhuum). A god
Just.nl
/Signed for the most part.
Great Idea!
Maybe put the "end-boss" of FoW in that kinda fire thingy where the End-Chest spawns. That you are in there and that the doors shut if you are going to kill it (Same as like Dhuum. You just go to an room).
Tho i dont like the :"Cannot hex him". So you wanna say now that mesmers are useless against him?
The other things are just fine for me. Would be fun if there are some more of the Menzies guards groups patrolling in the areas
Great Idea!
Maybe put the "end-boss" of FoW in that kinda fire thingy where the End-Chest spawns. That you are in there and that the doors shut if you are going to kill it (Same as like Dhuum. You just go to an room).
Tho i dont like the :"Cannot hex him". So you wanna say now that mesmers are useless against him?
The other things are just fine for me. Would be fun if there are some more of the Menzies guards groups patrolling in the areas
akio pwns
I think i got a good idea for the plot. Instead of a chain just make it an end boss. Have it where the eternal forgemaster is. Then when everyone completes the quests and about to go to him through a door... cutscene triggers. Doors Close....
Forgemaster says,"You will not get away of this Menzies!"
(leader),"We will put you back you you came from"
something of that matter. The cutscene will make everyone teleport there... so no afkers that can stay alive and get chest afterwords. Have it like menzies took the forgemaster hostage and wants to escape to the real world again aka dhuum without the kidnapping and news coverage
2 cents.
Forgemaster says,"You will not get away of this Menzies!"
(leader),"We will put you back you you came from"
something of that matter. The cutscene will make everyone teleport there... so no afkers that can stay alive and get chest afterwords. Have it like menzies took the forgemaster hostage and wants to escape to the real world again aka dhuum without the kidnapping and news coverage
2 cents.
BogusDude
/signed bigtime
FoW defo needs something similar, albeit a different approach and setup to Dhuum.
The current SC setups will obviously change
And the bugs with Dhuum obviously need fixing. Its a nice way to teach new members when he gets stuck lol but we had him in less than ten minutes in HM the other night when he got stuck on a pillar. He was even still stuck there after the chest spawned lmao (just wait for me to actually get something worth keeping first lol)
FoW defo needs something similar, albeit a different approach and setup to Dhuum.
The current SC setups will obviously change
And the bugs with Dhuum obviously need fixing. Its a nice way to teach new members when he gets stuck lol but we had him in less than ten minutes in HM the other night when he got stuck on a pillar. He was even still stuck there after the chest spawned lmao (just wait for me to actually get something worth keeping first lol)
To Chicken To Die
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No they don't...nothing has invaded their realm, what reason would we have to go there?.
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I want to see something to happen to menzies aswell. Menzies is like not important or any difficult to kill. I mean he is a god (isn't he).
OverPower menzies Anet c'mon. Bring live in FoW give a God some Monster skills
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T1Cybernetic
There is a HUGE battlefield that is usually pretty empty if you kill stuff along the way casually while doing quests, he could always spawn out there somewhere, that would make an awesome place to fight a boss with his armies?
tyler199580
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Lyssa, Dwayna, and Melandru still need their own realms.
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Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die
I want to see something to happen to menzies aswell. Menzies is like not important or any difficult to kill. I mean he is a god (isn't he).
OverPower menzies Anet c'mon. Bring live in FoW give a God some Monster skills /sign |
Barrage
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"Reinforcements!": (2 random Shadow Army soldiers spawn near Menzies. 5e, 0sec cast, 45r) Shadow Spear: (Hits for 400 shadow damage and blinds and dazes foe for 5 seconds. 10e, 30r) "Join Us!": (Random foe in earshot becomes hostile towards their team and cannot target Menzies for 6 seconds. 5e, 0sec cast, 60r) "SUBMIT!": (All foes in earshot take 40 shadow damage each second for 10 seconds. 15e, 0sec cast, 45r) "Shut Up!": (All foes in earshot cannot use Shouts or Chants for 10 seconds. 10e, 0sec cast, 45r) Banner of Menzies: Constant effect. Foes in range of Menzies cannot block his attacks, cannot hex him, and cannot blind him. Other conditions last 100% longer, and foe shouts and chants last 50% longer. Goal: Eternal Soldiers join your fight and call upon Balthazar to cower Menzies. Their calls are easily interrupted (calls are Chants and take 5 seconds to cast) and fill bar similar to Dhuum. Except, bar is called Bathazar's Arrival and takes just as long to fill. They are unaffected by "Shut Up!". |
Submit would be instant death to a noob-intermediate team.
The eternal soldiers would be pointless, why not just have them in the fight helping you with heals and some damage and you can do something like this.
Torches are spawned all around the battlefield, in the middle there is a cauldron called the flame of Balthazar. Your party is meant to pick up the torches and bring them to the flame, as the flame increases more reinforcements join the fight and when it is filled Balthazar finally arrives with a large brigade of men and the final battle begins. Balthazar is a warrior (he will not have to survive). Something along those lines would make sense with the lore of FOW.