Enforcing a Sell Cap in High End

I would like to bring up a suggestion that has been proposed by one of our forum users and get feedback from all of you. We recently had a thread up that promoted users to go to an illegal site to acquire gold/ectos in order to be able to buy some of their rare high-end items. This is never acceptable. It it strictly against the EULA. The user has been banned.

This brought about a discussion on whether enforcing a sell cap would be useful and in the best interest of the users of this forum. For example, is 40,000e an amount that is completely unreasonable and the only way to acquire such is to turn to a gold selling site?

This is an option we are exploring right now so any ideas or feedback is welcome. If you feel we need or should have a cap, an amount that would be acceptable, etc.

Please feel free to discuss.

Just saying, theres already enough rules. Feel like they are just getting more and more ridiculous.

constructive criticism is good right?

There are a lot of rules, we acknowledge this. They have been fine-tuned and developed over years and years though. It's all in an effort to make sure everyone is able to have enough front page time, so that sellers and buyers are on equal footing. It's never fair to have your thread bumped off the front page by someone who simply wouldn't take the time to read the rules.

As long as we can keep this thread on topic, I think this sell cap would only affect a very small # of posts. But could help better enforce the Guild Wars EULA and possible protect users.

I dont find Cap real needed. i really think that promoting the gold selling site is thing which probably will never happen again (atleast not in someones sell thread, ofc theres ad spam). i havent seen that happening before alteast. and i doubt it will in future..

and again in other hand theres so few ppl selling items of that value, so it wouldnt matter to most ppl.

Like you said, there aren't that many trades that it would affect at all. I'm all for it.

I agree with Pleikki

I agree with both Pleikki and Eazy here. It doesn't happen very often that someone sells stuff with this value, so adding another rule is not really necessairy.

And if people really think the only way to get 40,000 ecto's is by buying them off a site, they just don't understand the game. Furthermore, most people that have these amounts, played GW since day 1. So..

Actually most ppl but not ALL who got that amounth got that from abusing armbrace dupers :P

To me it should matter to every person who has posted up an "I got hacked" thread, or had a guildie or an ally that was hit by an RMT.

Seriously ask yourself how many average player's accounts would have to be hit to cover a 40,000 ecto order to an RMT and how far an RMT would be willing to go to satisfy an order of that size. $5,000 in real dollars would be a huge incentive to hack. How many ecto does the average player have sitting in storage? How many people would lose everything that they've accumulated?

On the other hand how many high-rollers even have those types of resources available? Could Malice or Stuey come up with 40,000 ecto from their own resources to make a legitimate trade? I don't know. But if they couldn't -- if any single player in the game would have to visit an RMT to complete that type of trade then the listings shouldn't be allowed.

I would go so far as to ask for a 5,000 ecto cap. I think there are select few players that could manage a legitimate 5,000 ecto trade and the ones that can are known by the people that would be offering the sale. At that point it doesn't have to be a public offering.

Think about what's at stake.

Strongly disagree with the idea of imposing a price cap.

Some of the high-end minis are selling for ridiculous prices, and is the result of quite a few reasons: money being stupidly easy to get by anyone (XTH - thank God it's down for the time being), the exploits that happened over the years, gold-selling sites, etc. For all these reasons, the prices of not only minis continue to inflate and inflate, beyond reasonable levels.

In the end, your asking on whether or not the market on Guru should mirror the market ingame. In my opinion, I would rather the person who goes to one of these sites go because of something they saw ingame, and thus leave Guru out of (not completely as that is an inevitability) the perpetuation of the idea.

I think this idea looks good on paper, but it wont change a thing at all in practice, unless you can find a way to shut down every single gold seller. GWG is not a site run by Arenanet or NCSoft, so you have no way of controlling if and how players who bid here came to the X Thousands of Ectos. Some players (Such as the last Art contest or skill contest winners) got their riches through legal ways by selling the everlasting Henchman or Mini Mad-King Guards to other players for example.
They should be given the possibility of paying stupidly horrendous amounts for something just as useless in real life that they like more than their winnings.

Also, you might want to note that if you do implement a rule like this, people will still buy and sell gold. The sellers for items that exceed this rule will just move to a different site.

One final point Id like to note. Anet implemented the 100K per trade cap and players found a way around this through Ectos, Armbraces or rare minis. If you implement a trade cap at 40.000 Ectos for example, what is stopping players in trading Armbraces and who sets the cost of one Armbrace or one Island Guardian in terms of Ectos?

Adding a completely new sub-forum (Ventari's So High It Gives You Nosebleed Just Thinking About It End) wouldnt change anything either.


P. S. When do you get to ban yourself for 3 days for bumping your own topic within 24 Hours in the Ventaris Forums

P.P.S. to stop myself braking a rule myself... I bid 1 Gold on any Trademark or Copyright on the Trade cap and on the Sub-forum name "Ventari's So High It Gives You Nosebleed Just Thinking About It End"

The sell cap would pull many things , high end section is pretty much for items with ingame value of 100k+, but what about items that are worth above the sell cap (lets say 5000e that Ayelet Feldspar suggested) like Zhed, Vizu and such miniatures? Their owners couldnt sell them here then, maybe on other sites but not here. So that sell cap would pretty much make those players look for another site to sell their items and that is not your goal , is it? Many players that have stacks of armbraces sitting in their bags at this point (few dupers probably did survive the Anet clean up) made it through DoA farming, that is not very hard anymore.....
About the 40,000e being an unreasonable offer, many players find that being offendive to them couse of the sheer amount of the offer, but still that is an offer same as any other offer (considering that the bidder does have that ammount of money)....
Well , lol, i guess this "fairy" tale wasnt needed so i agree with Pleikki, Eazy Duz It and Diao Xiao.... xD

Well as the only person who's posted with more then 40k ecto I have to laugh and disagree.

Buying large amounts of in-game gold would cost many thousands of real cash. Name me a person that stupid?

Edit - sticky for you

Quote: Originally Posted by Malice Black

Well as the only person who's posted with more then 40k ecto I have to laugh and disagree.

Buying large amounts of in-game gold would cost many thousands of real cash. Name me a person that stupid? Whoever Inde posted about in the OP for example is one of them that are that stupid.
Dont underestimate Humans... Albert Einstein once said (or something very similar. I couldnt find the exact quote): There are 2 things that are eternal. The Universe and Human Stupidity... im sure about one, but not about the Universe.

Quote: Originally Posted by Malice Black

Well as the only person who's posted with more then 40k ecto I have to laugh and disagree.

Buying large amounts of in-game gold would cost many thousands of real cash. Name me a person that stupid?

Edit - sticky for you
There doesn't have to be one person buying obscene amounts of gold. Many people buying little amounts here and there will have a cumulative effect on inflation, while simultaneously supporting it.

There might not be anybody who's bought 40ke from a gold-selling site. How about 100 people who've bought 25e? How about 1000 people? How about 2500 people?

awful idea

its not hard to get a few thousand ectos, anyone with a decent business sense and eye for a bargain can powertrade easy

dont even know why you would want this stickied and discussed?

ill repeat, awful idea

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also, what would the cap be? 5000e? 10000e?

are you not going to allow the sales of any HIGH end minis on guru? or uber rare weapons?

I seriously doubt that people who would buy 40,000 ecto from RMTs for the sake of pixelated wealth are people who would pay for it out of their own accounts.

@Stop The Storm I want it discussed because of late I've seen a spate of account thefts by RMTs. RMTs have always been a problem, but recently the sheer number of hacks has increased and I suspect that sales threads [like the one mentioned in the OP] are one of the root causes of that increase. When someone is offering the volume of ultra rares that were in that thread it is reasonable to believe that the sale itself is driving some portion of the hacks. The thread is gone now so I can't go back and add up the amount of ecto that were offered there. But I propose that at least some of the people who bid bought the resources from RMTs. They were even encouraged to do so by the OP.

Again I'm asking for the community at large to stop and consider how many player accounts -- random, average, player accounts -- would have to be hit to fuel an RMT's 40,000 ecto sale. What do you think? 500? 800? 1000? Is it worth it?

If you don't want to consider having a cap on a single item how about a cap on a thread? If there is a 40,000 ecto item up for sale it doesn't need to have 50 other 1,500 ecto items along with it. Think about what the thread is driving inside the game.

Edited by Illfated Fat: Please don't divulge names. I've removed the person's name.

I disagree with having a cap.

As someone looking to make a fortune selling his tonic in the near future I disagree with this cap