1. Just think it is silly to have a cap. Makes no sense to be honest. Won't stop it, honestly should be glad to have people that post that stuff on here as you can have them shut down. One less supporter of gold sales.
2. Also do not like the idea of making more forums and the verification or mediation mods. I was around when that stuff was going on and it was majorly corrupted. Way too easy to abuse. I have screens of exactly what Inde talked about with a "mod" mediating a trade.
3. I don't have near the cash/ecto most of the real high end people have. All I have is tons of customized stuff. Malice is way ahead of me, and so is tramp, etc etc.
Edit: That was only in response to the comment that I supposedly have "40k/e" or might have near that......
Enforcing a Sell Cap in High End
StueyG
carnage-runner
In response to #3. It doesn't void your opinion just because you aren't as e-rich as someone else. Also, we only know how e-rich someone is by what they show us in game.
Eazy Duz It
On the other hand... If enforcing a level cap means, checking to make sure offers are legit I am 100% for it. Sometimes it does seem like people simply post to boast and show off there wealth whether it be the seller and the item or the buyer and the offer. I mean lets be honest what are highend minis or reqq8 weapons other than items to outdo one another on the internet.
dr love
even though there's only a handful of people that can deal in that kind of ectos, and they all know each other anyway, i do not believe a cap should be imposed.
mcsumo
Some of the prices we see on guru are insane, but a bid cap, would not have the effect you are looking for.
People who want ridiculously expensive stuff would just look on other sites. People who are thinking of RMTs and can afford it certainly don't need guru to tell them about it.
It would serve no purpose other than making more work for our already hard pressed mods, so a bad idea IMO.
Malice, Stuey, Tramp etc .... just ignore the trolls. You guys have the most money because you have traded 'smart' since the very beginning. Which one of you has more really doesn't matter and any complaints are probably based on jealousy.
People who want ridiculously expensive stuff would just look on other sites. People who are thinking of RMTs and can afford it certainly don't need guru to tell them about it.
It would serve no purpose other than making more work for our already hard pressed mods, so a bad idea IMO.
Malice, Stuey, Tramp etc .... just ignore the trolls. You guys have the most money because you have traded 'smart' since the very beginning. Which one of you has more really doesn't matter and any complaints are probably based on jealousy.
Curo
Being someone who has played this game for 2,000 hours over almost 3 years, I have maybe 1 mil to my name if all my assets are accounted for. I don't understand, even for those who have played 3x as many hours as me, how some people could amass such wealth without illegal activity (duping or buying). I kind of came to this realization the other day when going through Tramp's amazing high end thread. Where does it all come from?
My point here is that it is really hard to draw a line between who is honest and wealthy and who is dishonest and wealthy. Personally I don't understand how such riches could be amassed by an honest person, but I'm told it happens. For the reason of this uncertainty I am going to vote against the sell cap. It will NEVER affect me, but it may wrongly affect someone else (like our buddy Tramp).
My point here is that it is really hard to draw a line between who is honest and wealthy and who is dishonest and wealthy. Personally I don't understand how such riches could be amassed by an honest person, but I'm told it happens. For the reason of this uncertainty I am going to vote against the sell cap. It will NEVER affect me, but it may wrongly affect someone else (like our buddy Tramp).
carnage-runner
Your point is hardly a good one. I could farm 1 mill gold in a weekend easily. Yes, I farm. That's how honest money is made. Then there are power traders who even though they have earned their riches within the EULA rules, some may still claim that said riches are dishonest, or lacking in morals. Regardless, you can amass a substantial amount of wealth simply by being in the right place at the right time. The more time you invest in being in places, the more likely you will be in a place at the right time. The most I've been able to farm in 1 week is 14 armbraces in 1 week at 48e per armbrace. That is way too much time in front of a computer but it proves the point that you can farm a lot of money in this game. (I also work a full time job)
So before you claim that anyone who has more money than you do in direct relation to how much time they have played compared to you, check to make sure that you are aware of all facets of money making.
Speaking of money making... Or not at all. I still go back to saying Mods should verify items and bids in game past a certain point. No one likes fake items, or fake bidders. IF your friend has it, let him sell it, or buy it off him and sell it. If you can't find it in your storage, don't post it.
So before you claim that anyone who has more money than you do in direct relation to how much time they have played compared to you, check to make sure that you are aware of all facets of money making.
Speaking of money making... Or not at all. I still go back to saying Mods should verify items and bids in game past a certain point. No one likes fake items, or fake bidders. IF your friend has it, let him sell it, or buy it off him and sell it. If you can't find it in your storage, don't post it.
Eazy Duz It
Agree 100% with carnages last paragraph
frostkisses
carnage-runner
insanely unfair? Is it insanely unfair for me to bid on something, and get shill-bid to 500e on it? Not even knowing if the other bidder has 500e? Is it fair that the item might not exist? Nothing is fair, but if you take on a role of responsibility, expect unfair predjudice, and unfair expectation. If you can't handle the heat, stay away from the fire.
Jenn
How would you suggest we actually verify these bids? I could easily throw 5000e on an item I have no intention of buying, and if asked, I could prove I have that money. It still, however, does not prove whether or not I intend to buy the item. "Fake bids" are an extremely hard thing to patrol when most of our powers of investigation are confined to the tools we have to work with on these forums. When we can, we investigate in game (i.e. verifying someone has an item), but no matter how many tools we have, we cannot investigate intent to buy/sell.
Also, I understand that you're very concerned about your virutal wealth, but consider what you're actually asking of the moderators. Forgive me for saying this, but you have no idea what the scope of their duties are. Guru is so lucky to have the moderators that we do - they are intelligent, hardworking people that don't get paid to do this. A significant amount of time is already poured into these forums, and verifying bids in game could easily double the workload. I would not so carelessly suggest such a thing as it is not your time on the line here.
Personally, I do not feel that what you're asking is reasonable. I know, I know - there are ectos on the line, but ultimately you are responsible for your own bids. We do our best, but when push comes to shove, it's not about being able to "handle the heat." It's about recognizing that people have lives to live outside of accumulating virtual wealth.
If you are deeply concerned about fake bidding going on in a thread you are interested, I suggest you consult with a moderator to see if they can uncover anything suspicious. But to set a limit and say, "any bids over 500e must be investigated," is over the top (again, in my opinion).
Also, I understand that you're very concerned about your virutal wealth, but consider what you're actually asking of the moderators. Forgive me for saying this, but you have no idea what the scope of their duties are. Guru is so lucky to have the moderators that we do - they are intelligent, hardworking people that don't get paid to do this. A significant amount of time is already poured into these forums, and verifying bids in game could easily double the workload. I would not so carelessly suggest such a thing as it is not your time on the line here.
Personally, I do not feel that what you're asking is reasonable. I know, I know - there are ectos on the line, but ultimately you are responsible for your own bids. We do our best, but when push comes to shove, it's not about being able to "handle the heat." It's about recognizing that people have lives to live outside of accumulating virtual wealth.
If you are deeply concerned about fake bidding going on in a thread you are interested, I suggest you consult with a moderator to see if they can uncover anything suspicious. But to set a limit and say, "any bids over 500e must be investigated," is over the top (again, in my opinion).
frostkisses
There's too many "ifs" in it. And why are you uncapable of verifying yourself? How difficult is it for you to say hey, mind meeting me in game so I can make sure its legit? They dont comply, DONT BID. This isnt rocket science kids. It all comes down to being too lazy. "I want you to verify this so I dont have to waste my time going to look". As for the person that bids 500e but doesnt really have it...thats just a chance everyone in the game takes. You cant expect someone to hold your hand for every purchase you make. If you want something bad enough to spend 500e on, it shouldnt make a difference what the person before you bid. And as Stuey pointed out.. they've been down the road of mediating in game and it went badly. People creating similar character names and the like. If you already stuck your hand into a boiling pot of water, why in gods name would you do it again?
carnage-runner
I already do consult moderators over fake bids. I have many many times as a matter of fact. I also am aware of the scope of your workload, to a certain extent, and my request is merely a suggestion pertaining to the original question at hand. It is besides the point that I am concerned about my virtual wealth, in the end it is my online time that I am putting at risk when I bid or trade, I am not asking you to moderate that. The original concept was, instead of capping bids at 5000, 10000, or 40000e... Simply verify the few bids that reach such a point. Instead of making a capping rule, just make sure people are bidding on a real item, and are bidding with things they have.
Obviously you can't be asked to verify intent and ban those who retract, but it isn't so much to ask that on things that are extremely expensive, checking to make sure they are real isn't too bad an idea.
Also, I am not virtualy wealthy. Nor do I claim to be... I have things that may or may not be worth ecto, but what you are proposing, the cap at 40000e, is something that is so far beyond most everyone in the game that ultimately it is trivial. We normal highenders deal with 400e on a great day, so we are only concerned about that amount and the trades surrounding that amount. Unfortunately there are 1000's of trades under 1000e.. and it is not realistic to expect you mods to check into every one of those.
Verify that any trade over 5000e is legitimate with regards to the item being bid on, and the items being bid with. That is perfectly reasonable, and will maybe quell some of your problems. A 40,000 ecto bid cap is a little bit ... Yea, it has nothing to do with 99.9% of GWG's members.
Obviously you can't be asked to verify intent and ban those who retract, but it isn't so much to ask that on things that are extremely expensive, checking to make sure they are real isn't too bad an idea.
Also, I am not virtualy wealthy. Nor do I claim to be... I have things that may or may not be worth ecto, but what you are proposing, the cap at 40000e, is something that is so far beyond most everyone in the game that ultimately it is trivial. We normal highenders deal with 400e on a great day, so we are only concerned about that amount and the trades surrounding that amount. Unfortunately there are 1000's of trades under 1000e.. and it is not realistic to expect you mods to check into every one of those.
Verify that any trade over 5000e is legitimate with regards to the item being bid on, and the items being bid with. That is perfectly reasonable, and will maybe quell some of your problems. A 40,000 ecto bid cap is a little bit ... Yea, it has nothing to do with 99.9% of GWG's members.
Silence in Death
I was around when Guru mods were verifying bids, etc. and it was not a happy situation (hopefully my join date is proof enough of my claim). I, for one, could not ask a mod to do that.
My advice regarding "fake bids" is this. First, there's some sort of inherent risk with these things. Second, if you doubt a bid, do not beat their bid. If someone else does then they probably would outbid you anyway. If no one outbids them then they will be exposed as a fraud, banned and you will get the item anyway. I don't see a reason to police this.
I have a philosophical problem with a sell cap as well. It seems to me like not buying from gold/ectos or RMTs or whatever is the responsibility of individuals. Guru should not be in the business (and in fact is not in the business) of trying to police or deter the actions of players. It's just not something that anyone can expect of you nor is it something that you can always get right. I'd rather have players making mistakes than Guru being on the hook.
Imagine this. What if someone tricks a mod about having ectos/item/whatever? Who is on the hook for that? I don't want to put mods or guru in the position to be blamed for that.
My advice regarding "fake bids" is this. First, there's some sort of inherent risk with these things. Second, if you doubt a bid, do not beat their bid. If someone else does then they probably would outbid you anyway. If no one outbids them then they will be exposed as a fraud, banned and you will get the item anyway. I don't see a reason to police this.
I have a philosophical problem with a sell cap as well. It seems to me like not buying from gold/ectos or RMTs or whatever is the responsibility of individuals. Guru should not be in the business (and in fact is not in the business) of trying to police or deter the actions of players. It's just not something that anyone can expect of you nor is it something that you can always get right. I'd rather have players making mistakes than Guru being on the hook.
Imagine this. What if someone tricks a mod about having ectos/item/whatever? Who is on the hook for that? I don't want to put mods or guru in the position to be blamed for that.
LicensedLuny
Ok, well I was trying to avoid getting into the "in-game verification" discussion, as that strikes me as taking Inde's thread off the original topic. But if everyone else is ok with it, here goes. 
I'm against any sort of default rule that says mods have to verify things in game. While I'm not keen on having to spend time in game tracking such things down, my objection is more based on the logistics and reasoning here.
I do agree with Illfated Fat - just seeing something in the trade window in game doesn't prove that a bid or a sale is legitimate. We cannot read other players' minds to find out their true intentions.
As many people here have already pointed out, they've tried having Ventari mods offer in-game services before - it causes more problems than it solves.
As far as bids that have legitimate interest and intent but insufficient funds to make good immediately, that's not really the moderators' call. It's up to each individual seller if they're willing to wait around while the highest bidder raises the funds to make good on their offer.
Also, shouldn't you know about how much you're willing to pay? I do not condone fake auctions or shill bidding AT ALL! But really, it's up to each of us how high we're willing to go. If you feel the value of something isn't more than, say, 300k, don't bid more than that! I know we all like to get good deals, but some of the arguments here for mods verifying items in game are seeming more like asking us to serve as babysitters so that users needn't rely on their own common sense.
If you find a listing or certain bids suspicious, you can already ...PM a mod or report and ask them to check it out, PM the seller on Guru or in game and talk with them yourself, or simply refuse to bid on it, period. In the end, how much nonsense you'll tolerate in exchange for some new shiny pixels is your own call, right?
And finally, yeah, please be a little more open-minded or at least a little more careful with your wording. I know quite a few people in game that have more GW wealth than I can even conceptualize. I've known some of them for years and I'm proud to call them my friends because they're great folks. To suggest that they all must be cheating by default if they have all those pixels is at best laughable. At worst, it makes the claimant appear narrow-minded and petty. Please folks - don't be "that guy."
EDIT - Oh, and reread the rules Quote:
I'm against any sort of default rule that says mods have to verify things in game. While I'm not keen on having to spend time in game tracking such things down, my objection is more based on the logistics and reasoning here.
I do agree with Illfated Fat - just seeing something in the trade window in game doesn't prove that a bid or a sale is legitimate. We cannot read other players' minds to find out their true intentions.
As many people here have already pointed out, they've tried having Ventari mods offer in-game services before - it causes more problems than it solves.
As far as bids that have legitimate interest and intent but insufficient funds to make good immediately, that's not really the moderators' call. It's up to each individual seller if they're willing to wait around while the highest bidder raises the funds to make good on their offer.
Also, shouldn't you know about how much you're willing to pay? I do not condone fake auctions or shill bidding AT ALL! But really, it's up to each of us how high we're willing to go. If you feel the value of something isn't more than, say, 300k, don't bid more than that! I know we all like to get good deals, but some of the arguments here for mods verifying items in game are seeming more like asking us to serve as babysitters so that users needn't rely on their own common sense.
If you find a listing or certain bids suspicious, you can already ...PM a mod or report and ask them to check it out, PM the seller on Guru or in game and talk with them yourself, or simply refuse to bid on it, period. In the end, how much nonsense you'll tolerate in exchange for some new shiny pixels is your own call, right?
And finally, yeah, please be a little more open-minded or at least a little more careful with your wording. I know quite a few people in game that have more GW wealth than I can even conceptualize. I've known some of them for years and I'm proud to call them my friends because they're great folks. To suggest that they all must be cheating by default if they have all those pixels is at best laughable. At worst, it makes the claimant appear narrow-minded and petty. Please folks - don't be "that guy."
EDIT - Oh, and reread the rules Quote:
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# Fake trades - we have seen items posted for sale, that did not exist. For this reason, we retain the right to close threads and request visual confirmation of the item ingame. If such proof is not offered, the item cannot be offered up for trade again on GWG.
is already in there. Making it required by default is excessive.
Eazy Duz It
Sure, the mods are working for free. However, taking the moderator position does (Should**) mean you are willing and able to pour your time into it. Now, if Ive understood correctly Guildwars Guru's goal is to bring about equality and be fair to both buyers and sellers. Well, in order for that to happen you would have to do something to enforce it. Sure you can say it in your rules and all, but how many people are actually banned for fake bidding? Very few I would think. Once again I could be wrong though. Basically, fake/shill bidding has become a huge problem on guru and through this possible idea of a price cap, can be dealt with far better than it is, further improving the guru environment. Sure it might take more effort, but like I said, isnt it the moderators job to make sure such activities dont occur? I feel like with how large guru has become maybe the number of moderators is to little if you are complaining of "not having enough time to perform all these duties."
I dont know... Just my two cents. edit by me - hit edit instead of reply. Silence in Death
You speak as if the moderators here have some moral obligation to do this.
Also, one might argue equality of opportunity versus condition here. I would say that it is simply Guru's mission to provide an equal opportunity for buyers and sellers to come together. This is why they moderate the forums. It is not their job to make sure all buyers and sellers are equal. This is why they do NOT moderate the game. I'd say what you're asking is above and beyond the call of duty here. Certainly we can't require it.
Jenn
But see, that's part of where the conflict lies WITH a price cap:
a) Either it's too high and applies to an extremely low amount of people to make all this worth it or b) We make the cap low enough to make it worth it (it would affect a bunch more people), but then we're turning away people who may have legitimate business to carry out. Regardless, you guys can't just spew demands without giving some sort of context. What kind of price cap are you guys talking about? When would you guys want moderators to verify stuff in game? What would you guys want moderators to verify in game? I want numbers and I want specific examples of items/instances before I can begin to contextualize and perhaps work with what you guys are talking about. Keep in mind simply asking someone to verify they have 5000 ectos is not even possible. Who's to say they won't just put up the same 7 stacks over and over? Also, I'm not sure why you guys are refusing to accept responsibility for your own decisions. You guys choose to raise bids - maybe you should also choose to ask the other bidders if they have legitimate offers. At the end of the day, it is YOUR money you are spending. We can only meet you halfway in protecting it. And afterall, an item is worth what people are willing to pay for it, right? Again, I'm not sure that this is something a price cap could fix. A price cap is a fairly black and white thing which, as said above, either affects too many people, or it's so high that it isn't worth it.
carnage-runner
Honestly Jen... It's too high. It wont effect enough people to matter. If you choose to implement it, not many people are going to be bothered. As for all the rest.. I don't really care what happens with bids and what not. It is what it is, you can't be everywhere at once and have omniscient power over everything Guildwars. That much is fairly obvious.
As for all other things... I just think that verification of bids/items is a good way to root out people who don't have what they are claiming they have. There is no way to figure out intention, and I don't suggest you try to. In the end, this isn't going to go anywhere far... Changing the Highend and Lowend price requirements might be interesting though.. as it is 2009.. and many people have a lot of money. Silence in Death
Amen! I wholeheartedly agree with the above. Let's talk about individuals doing what they need to do first. Then talk about the top-down stuff. Could not agree more.
Diao Xiao
You said it Malice, couldn't agree more.
Martin Alvito
You now have two issues in this thread.
A price cap is a terrible idea. You already intuitively know this. Consider the problems that the 100k and 1750 ecto caps create. The only thing a price cap does is make trading more costly and therefore less efficient. In this case, people will substitute away from Guru. You don't want that as the site admin. Verification is not the mods' responsibility. It would be good if we had established guidelines and expectations for verifying large bids, but it is the seller's burden to do the legwork. Enforcing "violations" of such a guideline would be time consuming and is beyond the call of duty for a fansite mod. It's up to you to figure out who's lying in your thread and humiliate them publicly so that they will GTFO. The best thing that the mods can do is create an expectation that high-end sellers will call on you to prove your outlandish bid, and that they will ignore you like the 13-year old trolling scrub you probably are until you prove that you are not. The lowest cost "proof" there is as a seller is to demand screenshots under parameters you specify. It's hard to Photoshop a full inventory window containing your character's name and the content of your bid in a specific spot, and you can get this information via PM. If you can't provide that information, you shouldn't be bidding. But it isn't the mods' responsibility to babysit that issue. You, as the seller, need to be calling people out. The mods can help you by creating the expectation that the bidder needs to provide this information on demand for large bids. But that's where their obligation to you ends. @ Malice: You will never get full compliance. You don't have the weaponry to deter silliness. Get ANet to give you official status and the ability to hand out in-game bans, and people will follow the site rules. Nothing short of that will work, because a site like this can't function if you perma-ban enough "important" players. Just saying. Meh sorry I did it again. MB. Eazy Duz It
StueyG
There is a need to call it out when you sit there making demands for someone to give up their own free time to pamper your needs. I do not think more mods are needed (there was not that many back in the day and guru is WAY slower than when I used to mod)
Everything Malice said is fair. And it was not "recommended" it was a topic of discussion - this thread was about a cap, and it has been turned into other demands. Malice Black
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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito
A price cap is a terrible idea. You already intuitively know this. Consider the problems that the 100k and 1750 ecto caps create. The only thing a price cap does is make trading more costly and therefore less efficient. In this case, people will substitute away from Guru. You don't want that as the site admin. Verification is not the mods' responsibility. It would be good if we had established guidelines and expectations for verifying large bids, but it is the seller's burden to do the legwork. Enforcing "violations" of such a guideline would be time consuming and is beyond the call of duty for a fansite mod. It's up to you to figure out who's lying in your thread and humiliate them publicly so that they will GTFO. The best thing that the mods can do is create an expectation that high-end sellers will call on you to prove your outlandish bid, and that they will ignore you like the 13-year old trolling scrub you probably are until you prove that you are not. The lowest cost "proof" there is as a seller is to demand screenshots under parameters you specify. It's hard to Photoshop a full inventory window containing your character's name and the content of your bid in a specific spot, and you can get this information via PM. If you can't provide that information, you shouldn't be bidding. But it isn't the mods' responsibility to babysit that issue. You, as the seller, need to be calling people out. The mods can help you by creating the expectation that the bidder needs to provide this information on demand for large bids. But that's where their obligation to you ends. @ Malice: You will never get full compliance. You don't have the weaponry to deter silliness. Get ANet to give you official status and the ability to hand out in-game bans, and people will follow the site rules. Nothing short of that will work, because a site like this can't function if you perma-ban enough "important" players. Just saying. Meh sorry I did it again. Not use to having a discussion in Ventari's. MB. It's viable, but such decisions are down to Inde. "Important players" Will clear this up now. There is no such thing as an important player here. Everyone gets treated the same. A mods 'job' is to enforce the rules regardless of a persons wealth or in-game status. Any mod that does discriminate between the popular and the average user should give up the black and go back to being a user. We the Ventari mods do not, and will not favour some above others. Anyone who thinks that we do or should needs a rethink. My infraction button will ban a guildy just as quick as anyone reading this right now.
dr love
i don't think people pretending to have the ecto to bid for something is much of a problem. what is troubling is friends collaborating to raise the price on rare items. basically they bid on each others items, even sometimes posting b/o (though no exchange actually happens in game) once sellers believe someone sold for a certain price, they will also try and sell for that price, and buyers will start to believe the item is worth that price. people say in game, look on guru, its worth 1000e (guru never lies right?) i don't want to list any examples, but i'm sure you can think of some with ease.
Malice Black
Yes, I know what you mean. Same people bidding on each others threads all the time. It doesn't go unnoticed believe me. I've moderated Ventari's on and off for years now. I know all the tricks of the trade regarding High End threads etc
We can't do much unless it's guildies with their guild tags listed though. We have set guidelines to follow.
Jenn
Okay, enough of the back-and-forth and taking sides. This is a discussion on price capping, and since we thought it was worth a bit of discussion, the problem of fake bidding.
On the topic of price capping:As far as the input goes, about twice as many people do NOT want a price cap, in contrast to those who do. Therefore, I’m sure we can all gather that it is very unlikely to happen. I could reiterate why or why not this would be a good idea, but I trust you can all just read the thread. There’s not much else to say – more thoughts are welcome on this subject in this thread. On the topic of verifying bids in game: I will tell you this straight out: highly unlikelyFirst and foremost, we only actually have 1-2 people advocating for this – hardly enough compared to the vast number of people that use Ventari’s. We are not going to hire an entire separate staff just to deal with bids over, say, a trade window of ecto, because to monitor these bids would take a new staff. It’s not the current staff’s responsibility in most cases simply because we have real lives to worry about, and as I said, this would double the work-load. For the amount of hours the moderators put into the site in a week, it could take that long to finally catch a suspicious bidder in game. You are just as easily able to log into a game and ask a bidder, “Can I see proof of your bid” as we are. Perhaps you might take advantage of this. As a compromise I will offer this much with regards to fake bids:Some people aren’t aware, but moderators already do (and will continue to do so) go in game and “investigate” for suspicious things, within and outside the realm of fake bids. But to do it on the scale suggested here is very time consuming. We recognize the difficulties that fake bids and fake sell threads create. We will meet you half-way with your concerns. If you are deeply concerned about fake bids, we will use the tools we have on our forums to gather any information we can, within reason. In turn, we hope you try and contact the bidder and get your own verification. If something fishy goes on in game, screen shot it and contact a moderator. Again, this is already standard practice, but I’m just reiterating this. It is also something to not be abused; we're talking high-ticket items here, not your 200e sword. If you have any suggestions on how GWG can deal with fake bids from the forum-end of things, please send a PM my way and we can have a discussion on it. For now, I’d ask that we cease the discussion of verifying bids in game as a more common/standard practice. As just previously mentioned, discussion on remedying fake bids can be directed to my inbox – any input will be taken with serious consideration. Again, any further input on a price cap is welcome.
joshuarodger
This is not a discussion on how to acquire 40,000, or any other amount of ectos. This is a discussion about adding a price cap and how to police fake bids in auction threads, and NOTHING ELSE. If you cannot contribute to this topic, your post will be deleted. Sorry to intrude, Inde
Eazy Duz It
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Originally Posted by Illfated Fat
[*]Some people aren’t aware, but moderators already do (and will continue to do so) go in game and “investigate” for suspicious things, within and outside the realm of fake bids. But to do it on the scale suggested here is very time consuming.
Thats all I am asking for
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