Enforcing a Sell Cap in High End

I'm all for it.

I agree that the highest-end trades do not need to be a public matter.

If you want to show off what you have (which is what most of those things being offered openly really is) do it another way.

'hidden reserve not met' = 'I would miss showing this off if I sold it'

not that I think a cap on this thread would stop much, if anything, but hell I'm all for ANY steps that even MIGHT stop the kind of BS we *ahem* ALL *ahem* saw in the "call me after you visit the RMT" thread.
I agree that this fuels the hacks, I'm glad to see the ban from here, and I think it should be perma-bannable ingame as well to come in a public forum and say something like that. Lucky for them, I dont run anything but my mouth. But I have an opinion I'm entitled to, and it is anyone who uses, trades with, or promotes RMT in any way is pure scum, glad to see them gone.

Long story kinda sorta less-long: YES I'd like to see the cap in place.

cap should be 750e and not an ecto more...

But logistically, how would it work? Lets say Malice produces a screenshot of all his one of a kind rare items and puts a cap of 750e on each one. Then someone bids 751e. What happens? Does Malice get banned or the thread closed because someone else ignored the cap? Does the bidder get banned for bidding 1 ecto over the cap? What if Malice leaves the cap price off his uber rare items and leaves an open buyout, and someone bids 751e? Was it his fault he is so stinking rich or the fault of the person who bid 1 ecto over? I just do not see how you can stop people from bidding over any cap, 750e or 40,000e. If the poster does not list a buy out price then it is not his/her fault. Maybe just ban people who like to post and tell other people how rich they are if it goes above a certain level, like 40,000e or whatever? It all sounds good, but I am finding it hard to see how to enforce it equitably.

This seems a bit ridiculous. At this point in the game a rule like this would do nothing. People, including myself, post threads with ridiculous prices all the time. Telling them they can't do that is going to reduce your number of members. The highend mini traders wont be very happy that they can't use the site either.

With regards to the EULA rules.... If ANET catches them, then they catch them, if they don't they don't. It is not your job as a Guru mod to decide who has duped items, or who purchased items with RMT's. It is only your job to moderate your forums and keep RMT's off the page. If someone offers someone 50,000e, they can break that into armbraces easily, or other minis. It doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be a RMT.

Capping the highend forums would be ok if you plan on opening a minipet trading thread as well. Otherwise, I see this as a futile effort at doing something that you are not required to do; moderating RMT's.

First, How many items are more than 40000e? I can only think of 1 item...Unded kanaxai. (unded panda might be there eventually). The only other item that would come close is a classic name gold trim guild like EviL or WM.

Second, I will say that I have NEVER bought ingame gold for real money. I spent many many (too many?) hours standing in kamadan buying and selling all kinds of items to get my wealth. And on top of everything about 8 months ago, (I was already very rich at the time) a friend quit the game and gave me a few very rare minis. My point is having 40ke+ is possible but very rare.

I have suspicions of other people who I think were dupers but I have NO PROOF so who am I to say "You have too much wealth, you must have duped or bought gold." I know of a person who was just given an unded mad king guard (not me). Well, that is already 10ke+ so 1/4 of the impossible 40ke that was mentioned. Again, having 40ke is possible just rare.

There are many times in the game when there were ways to make thousands of ectos quick (legally). You just had to be in the right place at the right time. For example, when EoTN first came out golden rin relics were 50k+ a piece. A full set of rin relics were more than an unded oni at the time. I remember turning an unded oni down in trade for a full set.

I have no idea what it would cost to buy 40000 ectos but I strongly believe that nobody would actually spend $1000+ on this game for a few extra pixels (no offense Anet).

Against the cap - first of all, as many have stated before, it's unlikely someone would pay real money for 40,000 ectos. Second, that kind of transaction would require 160 inventory/storage slots, and would be nightmarish (it's much more likely that the trade would involve another item of extremely high value plus lets say 10k ectos). Lastly, it is far more likely for someone with a few thousand ectos to have purchased them than for someone with 40k ectos to have purchased them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Malice Black

Well as the only person who's posted with more then 40k ecto I have to laugh and disagree.

Buying large amounts of in-game gold would cost many thousands of real cash. Name me a person that stupid?

Edit - sticky for you well there was that person who offered me 1500 EUROS for my mini Kanaxai when I kept turning down his offer.

Just to reclarify, this is an open discussion. No decisions have been made at all and we are simply exploring options and seeing what feedback we can gather on if the community would like to see something like this.

Quote: Originally Posted by Enko

well there was that person who offered me 1500 EUROS for my mini Kanaxai when I kept turning down his offer. Yeah I've had offers of 5k US dollars for my kanaxi.

These PM's should be reported to a mod.

Quote: Originally Posted by Malice Black

Yeah I've had offers of 5k US dollars for my kanaxi.

These PM's should be reported to a mod. I want to see yours. I have only been offered 150 dollars for my kanaxai. I wonder why they are so different? Maybe yours is customized with your name and is worth a lot more. Bring it to spamadan sometime and we can compare. I want to see it.

The problem with a mini pet thread is usually people have lots of stuff to sell. Might as well break out everything then...mini pet thread, sword thread, axe thread, staff thread, eats thread, etc.

Okay. Here's my thoughts.

1) Okay, say stuff is capped here. What about auctions? Who's going to have the time to moderate that?

2) While we like to think that people with enormous wealth are the ones getting hacked, it's generally been the shmos with not a lot except maybe a few sets of Obsidian. No, not always, but they're who we've heard from the most.

3) I kind of feel like this is an appeal to people who can't afford the items in question. Putting a cap in here won't lower the price of the item in-game. People will just go spam their butts off in Kamadan.

So uh. Yeah.

Funny how this discussion thread becomes a boasting thread for Malice.

Anyway, I disagree with the idea of putting in a cap. Activity is drastically down from where it used to be on High End and the number of items being sold for incredible amounts of ecto are also going down. I really don't believe it will have any affect. Just something the mods need to keep an eye out for.

Guys, please address the topic at hand. This is about whether or not to have a sell-cap in High-End; it's not a discussion about the people who prompted the creation of this thread.

Keep comments about people to yourself.

Diao, simply enough they will ban those who break the rules. That's how it's always supposed to have been. I'm not gonna elaborate on that system as my feelings are known. Guys trading highend pets are gonna get what they want, a cap on this site isn't like a cap of ingame trading or anything.

1) Low-end sub 100K
2) Mid-end 100K-250e
3) High-end 250e+
4) Low-end mini
5) High-end mini

Maybe have a misc section. (Tomes, mods, dyes, collectable drops, consumables)

That's my opinion on the matter summed up. There are a lot of things worth a stack or more now... There are also a lot of things between 100k and 250e. And of course there are still plenty of things worth more than 250e.

Minis, there's a market for cheaper mini's (sub 100e) and there's a market for expensive minis (over 100e). Back to Tramps idea on money Cap's. Set an ecto cap of 5,000e or w/e and anything that reaches that needs to be verified in game by a moderator. No one likes fake posts. (That should go the same for those bidding... Shill bidding is disgusting)

I'm all for having a sell cap. I personally am one of those filthy- rich players(since this thread's also become about bragging ) and still having a sell cap sounds pretty reasonable

I'm in the "against a cap" camp here, too.

Choosing an amount for the cap and then enforcing it would be complicated if not impossible.

"Too much money" is a subjective term, and the definition varies by person. There's nothing wrong with accumulating in-game wealth. There will always be people who are good at accumulating wealth in game. There will always be people who enjoy showing off their wealth. Unfortunately, there will also always be others who see them and are envious enough to try to cheat/hack/RMT to match them. A new rule on Ventari's won't stop that. I doubt there's really anything ANet can do to stop that either. It's a question of individual values.

If/when threads show up that directly promote breaking the EULA, we shut them down. I do not agree with making rules to limit legitimate trades simply because some poor, misguided soul might see it and find their greed overpowers their common sense.

Quote: Originally Posted by carnage-runner Diao, simply enough they will ban those who break the rules. That's how it's always supposed to have been. I'm not gonna elaborate on that system as my feelings are known. Guys trading highend pets are gonna get what they want, a cap on this site isn't like a cap of ingame trading or anything.

1) Low-end sub 100K
2) Mid-end 100K-250e
3) High-end 250e+
4) Low-end mini
5) High-end mini

Maybe have a misc section. (Tomes, mods, dyes, collectable drops, consumables)

That's my opinion on the matter summed up. There are a lot of things worth a stack or more now... There are also a lot of things between 100k and 250e. And of course there are still plenty of things worth more than 250e.

Minis, there's a market for cheaper mini's (sub 100e) and there's a market for expensive minis (over 100e). Back to Tramps idea on money Cap's. Set an ecto cap of 5,000e or w/e and anything that reaches that needs to be verified in game by a moderator. No one likes fake posts. (That should go the same for those bidding... Shill bidding is disgusting) Too much work. The sections we have keep us busy enough.

I'm not wasting my in-game time verifying items. Period.

Quote: Originally Posted by carnage-runner Set an ecto cap of 5,000e or w/e and anything that reaches that needs to be verified in game by a moderator. No one likes fake posts. (That should go the same for those bidding... Shill bidding is disgusting) Now this is the only workable and is truly a good idea. Any one item being sold worth more than 5000e, and any thread with items totalling more than 10,000e must be verified, and when people bid it is verified too. It would slow down the sales process, but after 3 years (this week got my present!) I know that real sellers and real buyers do not mind a longer trading process just as long as it is legit. Scammers and fakers are the ones who want quick trades. It would stop the fakers, and end the shill bidding. (Although I must admit I do not see as much shill bidding as in the past).

There could be a sticky list of verification mods that buyers and sellers could pm in game to show and get verified. I cant tell you the number of times I have asked sellers on here to show items, and buyers too when I saw interesting offers of items I would have liked to have owned, only to find out "on a friends account" or "too busy to show" or "would take me too long to find it". Mmmmhmmmm...right....

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Originally Posted by Malice Black Too much work. The sections we have keep us busy enough. I'm not wasting my in-game time verifying items. Period. Well, maybe Inde could start up a whole new group of "verification mods" that may more may not include existing mods depending on if they want more duties or not. But if you want to bid on or sell something expensive, then everyone, gets verified, even busy people like yourself.

We've had problem offering in game verification and mediation before. It was years ago, but players started creating in game names similar to that of moderators. Such as User Name but instead they would do User' Name and the like. So we abruptly stopped all in game mediation and services to combat this.

sell cap isnt too bad of an idea but i fail to realize the impact that a 40ke minipet brings to guru
normal people will not log on to a site spending $1000s on ectos (im sure the temptation is there but the cash isnt :P so there dream of owning that super highend item through cheatin will go up in smoke)
implementing a rule that states a bid must be made in gw currency would imo better suit this problem
I realize for those few people they will just go to the gold site and buy straight from them which is above anyone's power but knowing that guru in no way had a hand to play...well except for temptation

Soo actually removing the temptation for those few people i guess would be worth it if gold sellers don't make a profit

I think a cap would be a horrible idea. There are few things that yield more than 1000e in auction. 1000e is a days worth of powertrading. I dont underestimate the human population.. I really dont. I know there are people that will buy that amount, but most wont. I know RMT's are getting out of control but thats anets issue. They need to update their security(which wont happen since they have their hands in several other piles of crap). Way too easy for someone who has enough knowledge to hack an account in game to make multiple accounts on here, or even hack accounts here, and continue on like nothin ever happened. These people have made a BUSINESS out of stealing accounts. It's not going away. And it shouldnt be a burden put in place here for moderators. And really how hard is it for an auction to go to the limit..then pm the people still really interested to take it back to the game after its GWG exposure. It's a white knight attempt, but will just fall short.