Again, agreed Verene.
Why don't the QQers make a costume then? Let's see how accurate and awesome looking they can make it. ^_^
THEN let's hear that it had nothing to do with creativity and art.
The Guild Wars Wintersday Art Contest (2009)
Minami
AngelWJedi
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Costume making is art, FFS.
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Verene
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Oh rly? then name more then 5 famous art buildins that have some? i think not. if you ask those owner they would say the mona lisa not some mad king costume. xD I know costumes take time and talent to make. my mom used to make them for me when i was a kid. and its not QQ about not gettting the tonic just how they chose to put it out. it would have been nice if they had added it to the end chest of those polar bear wintersday quest. then it would have been more special and everyone could have gotten it not just the few small peeps that get tattoos,draw,make some stick thing or a costume.
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And how does that disprove anything I said? I said that just because it's not the first thing that you think of, doesn't mean it's not art. And clearly museums do believe that costumes and clothing in general are works of art, because many museums do have such things in their collections. Not to mention the fact that the costumes from the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars movies have been in traveling exhibitions around the world for years (I am still annoyed that I missed both of them when they were in Chicago, grrrr).
So you think rare things should only be a reward for endless farming. Okay, then, what do you think would be appropriate awards for these art contests?
Minami
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*snip* So you think rare things should only be a reward for endless farming. *snip*
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So it might not even be a reward for endless farming.
I definitely think the tonic (and the other prizes) are appropriate for this contest. Besides IMHO, making art for a contest is hell of a lot more fun than doing farm run after farm run >_<
Riot Narita
Cool paper thingies. Free to download. Awesome.
Martin Alvito
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Originally Posted by Verene
Costume making is most definitely an art
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Charlie Dayman
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Oh rly? then name more then 5 famous art buildins that have some? i think not.
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http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/exhibi...shonibare_mbe/
As for your remark about "5 famous art buildings"; the fame of a museum has absolutely no relation to how artwork is to be viewed or legitimized. And please don't use the Mona Lisa as a paradigm in which these "5 famous art buildings" decide whether or not a work is to be considered art. There are hundreds of other forms and styles of art which are as equally valid as your mentioned Renaissance painting - fabric and cloth manipulation included.
Verene
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Does it matter one way or the other? ANet employees like them and reward people who make them. That's how it is. Claims and counterclaims about whether or not it's a valid art form aren't going to alter that fact.
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I have no problems with costumes winning awards. I make costumes myself and have won awards for them, I know first-hand just how much time and work and money they require. And I had stated before the contest had even ended that I was sure Tzu was going to win, having seen how much detail and work she put into it (progress photos FTW).
Jensy
"it would have been nice if they had added it to the end chest of those polar bear wintersday quest. then it would have been more special and everyone could have gotten it"
That's making it less special, if anyone can get it. It's a prize, a nice prize -- everyone's just stuck looking at it in terms of ecto/armbraces and it's rather disgusting.
That's making it less special, if anyone can get it. It's a prize, a nice prize -- everyone's just stuck looking at it in terms of ecto/armbraces and it's rather disgusting.
Charlie Dayman
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That's making it less special, if anyone can get it. It's a prize, a nice prize -- everyone's just stuck looking at it in terms of ecto/armbraces and it's rather disgusting.
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Chyminy Riquet
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AngelWJedi
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Your mom making you Halloween costumes as a kid does not mean that you have a grasp on how much time and work that it takes to make an accurate and wearable representation of a 2D image.
And how does that disprove anything I said? I said that just because it's not the first thing that you think of, doesn't mean it's not art. And clearly museums do believe that costumes and clothing in general are works of art, because many museums do have such things in their collections. Not to mention the fact that the costumes from the Lord of the Rings and Star Wars movies have been in traveling exhibitions around the world for years (I am still annoyed that I missed both of them when they were in Chicago, grrrr). So you think rare things should only be a reward for endless farming. Okay, then, what do you think would be appropriate awards for these art contests? |
And for the other one. you dont think that think that about the mad king mini or henchmen tonic? just cause you get it from a contest doesnt mean that dont think of it in terms of ectos and armbraces. look at those magizne/contest minis from asia.
AngelWJedi
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Well, apparently it does matter, since so many people still complain about it (generally from a position of ignorance).
I have no problems with costumes winning awards. I make costumes myself and have won awards for them, I know first-hand just how much time and work and money they require. And I had stated before the contest had even ended that I was sure Tzu was going to win, having seen how much detail and work she put into it (progress photos FTW). |
Reformed
I doubt, given precedent, that cosplayers are even going to be an issue for the Wintersday contest. I just did a quick scan and while they dominate Halloween, shenanigans as it is, I couldn't find a single entry that even placed for this contest over the years. Some of the negative reaction would probably go away if Anet would curb this idiotic trend of creating instant millionaires and fueling powertrade mania. Just saying...
Charlie Dayman
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for one the ones in museums are period clothes not costumes, second others ones were made by famouse people.
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Again, look at Yinka's work here - taken from another one of his exhibitions. See that giant Gucci sign on the one to the left? That's definitely not from the Victorian era. Oh, and if it's not obviously implied from the textiles used in his work, all outfits are designed/sewn by Yinka and his team of artists.
http://stylefrizz.com/img/yinka-shon...n-maschera.jpg
In some of his other works, Yinka also dresses in the outfits himself in order to play different characters according to the costume. This may not be the same as cos-playing a character from a video game, but he is still dressing in a costume to portray a character other than himself.
And here's another artist for you: Cindy Sherman (some images NSFW)
http://www.cindysherman.com/
Check google images for even more of her character works since her homepage seems to surprisingly lack them. In any case, here is yet another contemporary artist well renowned for her costume work where she takes on the personality of the outfit.
If I'm mistaken about your previous comment, please correct me. But it sounds as if you qualify art as art if it has only been made in a non-contemporary setting.
KiyaKoreena
The Metropolitan Museum of Art : http://www.metmuseum.org/Works_of_Ar...ment.asp?dep=8
Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandising: http://fidm.edu/resources/museum+gal...hibitions.html
Aww heck, just look here. Galleries and museums around the world. http://www.costumes.org/History/100pages/MUSEELNX.HTM
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Anyhoo, back to work artists! Chop chop! Or sketch sketch!
Fashion Institute of Design and Merchandising: http://fidm.edu/resources/museum+gal...hibitions.html
Aww heck, just look here. Galleries and museums around the world. http://www.costumes.org/History/100pages/MUSEELNX.HTM
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Anyhoo, back to work artists! Chop chop! Or sketch sketch!
Nuime
If not for the fact I went ahead and bought the concept art book as soon as it came out, and the fact my brain is pretty much sapped of ideas right now, I'd consider doing this. Good luck to all those participating! 
Oh... and as for the whole "costumes are not art" thing... pretty sure art is simply defined as the product of creativity, which I would say the costumes that have won in the past more than fit that role.
... As for the "museum" argument. Well, let's just say... those costumes by unknown Guild Wars fans are far more aethsetically pleasing and look like they took a lot more effort than even some paintings I have seen in very famous museums by famous artists. :P (*cough*contemporary art*cough*Basquiat instantly comes to mind*cough*)
Oh... and as for the whole "costumes are not art" thing... pretty sure art is simply defined as the product of creativity, which I would say the costumes that have won in the past more than fit that role.
... As for the "museum" argument. Well, let's just say... those costumes by unknown Guild Wars fans are far more aethsetically pleasing and look like they took a lot more effort than even some paintings I have seen in very famous museums by famous artists. :P (*cough*contemporary art*cough*Basquiat instantly comes to mind*cough*)
Odinius
I've gotten my gf to the point she agreed to let me bodypaint her and make her a sylvari plant armor, but I made a concept armpiece out of leaves that withered within a day (must be because of the glue).
Ditched the armor idea and started on a clay sculpture...
Ditched the armor idea and started on a clay sculpture...
Kha
I'll probably enter, even though I am still upset with how the judging was handled with the Halloween Contest. I was hoping it would be another design a hat contest, but I had an idea thought up for either way so I might as well try it. Guess I should get started soon so I have more time than I usually give myself to make it as awesome as I can 
Zim.
I think people should be rewarded for their hard artistic work, which is why I support the reindeer tonics. If only it were possible to get the tonic some other way though...
ShadowsRequiem
Yay another contest and more bitchin from idiots like angelwjedi (no offense but you are, every post you write makes me want to reach through the computer screen and punch you in the face 10 times).
aeronox
I was going to enter... but Australian residents aren't eligible. *sadface*
Where's the love?
Where's the love?
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I was going to enter... but Australian residents aren't eligible. *sadface*
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But yes, a big RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you to Anet for the exclusive competitions, and another to Gaile Grey who lied about the exclusive nature of the competitions when asked on local chat in Kamadan quite some time ago... That was with regard to the minipet mania sweepstakes, which apparently Australians and others could enter, despite the competition requiring a valid US postal address.... because you know all non-Americans maintain a summer residence in the US...
Enter anyway, cross your fingers, pretend you're European...
Little Shenanigan
there is now a paper moa bird available in the papercraft section : D
Verene
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I'd recommend entering anyway, despite the competition only being available to Americans, Canadians and Europeans if you read the contest rules, I say this because one of the previous art competitions had a winner from Israel, which as far as I am aware is neither part of Europe nor in America.
But yes, a big RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO you to Anet for the exclusive competitions, and another to Gaile Grey who lied about the exclusive nature of the competitions when asked on local chat in Kamadan quite some time ago... That was with regard to the minipet mania sweepstakes, which apparently Australians and others could enter, despite the competition requiring a valid US postal address.... because you know all non-Americans maintain a summer residence in the US... Enter anyway, cross your fingers, pretend you're European... |
AngelWJedi
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Yay another contest and more bitchin from idiots like angelwjedi (no offense but you are, every post you write makes me want to reach through the computer screen and punch you in the face 10 times).
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ShadowsRequiem
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..no offense?! yet you say you want to punch me. -_- everyone is allowed to speak their mind. that is why riverside is here. if you dont agree with me thats fine just like i dont have to agree with someone. really its a game if seeing someone write their opnions make you this crazy i think you see have your head checked. really i seen other posts where people dont agree yet none of them acting like a child by saying that want to hit them. lols grow up shadow requiem.
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Next time you QQ about someone winning a contest maybe you should see who is the childish one. Every post is just as ignorant as the last so I doubt you will have anything good to say.
Don't mind the door smacking your ass when you walk out.
Hyperventilate
Wow. Tons of Q_Q in this thread. Not naming names, but what do I expect, it's Guru.
Shame I'm not creative enough to enter. I was going to enter the Halloween contest but I slacked off and never got around to doing it. Maybe I'll actually get off my ass and submit it by next Halloween.
I've been lurking around the workshop thread and I see a ton of awesome stuff coming through. Haven't seen anything I didn't like, so, I'm excited to see what gets submitted. Very neat stuff.
Can't say I've been fond of Wintersday or it's RL comparison, but I do like how it inspires other people to get creative.
Also can't say I wouldn't like a reindeer tonic of my own. Non-EL would be fine, too.
Just because I feel the need to input my own two cents: Costumes, and costuming is an art. I'm a Theatre Major and I have a lot of respect for my costumers. They toil and put forth a lot of blood, sweat and tears into what they create. They feel passion for it just as a painter feels passion for their paintings. They create a lot of magical and beautiful things, and for that I respect them as an artist, and someone with exceptional talent.
I also wish all the competitors the best of luck, and I hope you know that most of GW will be envious.
Shame I'm not creative enough to enter. I was going to enter the Halloween contest but I slacked off and never got around to doing it. Maybe I'll actually get off my ass and submit it by next Halloween.
I've been lurking around the workshop thread and I see a ton of awesome stuff coming through. Haven't seen anything I didn't like, so, I'm excited to see what gets submitted. Very neat stuff.
Can't say I've been fond of Wintersday or it's RL comparison, but I do like how it inspires other people to get creative.
Also can't say I wouldn't like a reindeer tonic of my own. Non-EL would be fine, too.
Just because I feel the need to input my own two cents: Costumes, and costuming is an art. I'm a Theatre Major and I have a lot of respect for my costumers. They toil and put forth a lot of blood, sweat and tears into what they create. They feel passion for it just as a painter feels passion for their paintings. They create a lot of magical and beautiful things, and for that I respect them as an artist, and someone with exceptional talent.
I also wish all the competitors the best of luck, and I hope you know that most of GW will be envious.
AngelWJedi
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Grow up huh? Yet you're the one saying something is not art. So please since you are so smart and grown up define art for all of us.
Next time you QQ about someone winning a contest maybe you should see who is the childish one. Every post is just as ignorant as the last so I doubt you will have anything good to say. Don't mind the door smacking your ass when you walk out. |