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Arduin

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02 Dec 2009 at 17:26 - 41

Quote:

Originally Posted by worstnameevar

What I can't seem to grasp is the fact that no one in this thread has even mentioned grog. It's timer is clearly shown in the Effects Monitor portion of your screen, you get your full three minutes before the timer runs out so there's leeway in when you need to pop one, and you get to shout random pirate obscenities... who wouldn't want that? There are simpler ways of getting this title other than cheating.

Grog isn't always available.

tasha

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UK

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02 Dec 2009 at 17:27 - 42

Quote:

Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die

I have been wondering how a GM make the difference by using these methods with no third party programs and the "bot programs". If only monitoring they should see the same results. Were is the proof you went afk and looked after 3 min or you simply used a bot clicking every 3 min with a interval of a few sec?

Players click "approximately" after a set amount of time. Bad bots don't, they do it exactly the same duration apart. Double clicking exactly every 60s for an extended period of time leads to the assumption that the person is botting because humans just aren't that accurate. Better bots with a randomised timer are a lot harder to spot using this pattern as they behave more like players and screw up more.

The Drunkard

Wilds Pathfinder

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02 Dec 2009 at 20:45 - 43

I think anet's intention of banning bots was to try and stop gold selling/farming. I don't really think this is harming anyone at all, people just being a bit lazy by getting a bot to mouseclick.

I've managed to get r1 drunkard casually, but I doubt i'll ever go for r2 without a bot. Party/sugar titles are already painful enough.

bursta91

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02 Dec 2009 at 20:54 - 44

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Drunkard

I think anet's intention of banning bots was to try and stop gold selling/farming

this...

I know plenty people who used a script//bot for their drunkard title while afking in kama ad1 leaving their item in party search.

Trader of Secrets

Jungle Guide

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02 Dec 2009 at 20:59 - 45

Its harder to spot someone whos afk drunk in a town than a bot whose farming.

UnChosen

Wilds Pathfinder

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02 Dec 2009 at 21:50 - 46

No, because more effort is being spent on nerfing skills and making areas difficult to impossible for legit pugs, while cheaters/leechers remain untouched.

Winry Sagara

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02 Dec 2009 at 23:40 - 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by To Chicken To Die

I have been wondering how a GM make the difference by using these methods with no third party programs and the "bot programs". If only monitoring they should see the same results. Were is the proof you went afk and looked after 3 min or you simply used a bot clicking every 3 min with a interval of a few sec?

They have many method. Whispering to me or appearing in front of me. If I drink without replying to the GM, I'm botting without any doubt --> BAN. When I was GM, I've used many "tricks" to know if someone is afk or not. For example, you can easily find a bot. If someone click exactly every 1 minute is a bot-user, if someone click 1'1'', 59'' or 1' (not the same time ever) is more difficult that he's a bot-user. There are other methods, I let you fly with your immagination ^^

Lycan Nibbler

Forge Runner

Join Date: Sep 2006

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03 Dec 2009 at 00:45 - 48

The simple thing is, dont go overboard with it.. do 2 or three hours max at a time and youd be ok Id reckon. Try and do it all in a few goes and you'll get flagged as theres no way you could be there all that time clicking.

Eragon Zarroc

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03 Dec 2009 at 02:12 - 49

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Originally Posted by Bristlebane

No reports, no bans (it would seem).

this, don't use it where people can see you (for example:kamadan ad1 for 10hours=bad choice), and the chances of being banned are microscopic. more than likely not even possible. if anet managed to run a program checking everyone for long-term, mechanically repetitive actions, they prolly wouldn't need to have the bot option on the report feature

and do u know how many people such a program would have to be checking?

LOTS

Tramp

Furnace Stoker

Join Date: Jan 2008

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03 Dec 2009 at 02:25 - 50

if anet cared if you use a programmable keyboard or programable macro mouse or autoclicker...really all three are the same thing (the keyboard and prog mouse has to have the code entered in) then why did they send me a guild wars logo programable Razzor mouse when i won some contest they had 2 years ago? its a nice mouse, the guild wars logo is orange and lights up when you move it. if they are crooked cops who send you some free crack and then bust you for smoking dope, then they are even more screwed up than i think. so i would be shocked to see Regina post here and say that autoclickers are bannable since they sent me my autoclicker mouse with their logo on it!

StormX

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E/Mo

03 Dec 2009 at 03:49 - 51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gun Pierson

All I can say is that when I did it with spiked egnogg, it was possible to do it all the time, zone in, zone out and the drunken effect would be gone and the 3 points added to the drunken title. It was after the update as I remember it didn't work in a lot of outposts anymore. The weird thing was that some areas gave like one point only when zoning, while spiked eggnog gives 3 points normally. So after a while of testing outposts I stumbled upon Nolana Academy where it still worked.

I find that if you are an a party with other people and someone zones out while you are drunk, the full points will be added to your title track. It didn't work when I was alone, but then I didn't test with other areas.

I am so not surprised that some people use a programn to max this... I'm tempted to do so myself. Staring at the screen for hours waiting for the numbers to go up is not fun. They need to at least have an effect icon when you are drunk so you don't waste the alcohol.

Black Metal

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Jan 2009

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03 Dec 2009 at 04:49 - 52

I'd be paranoid about anything that definitely shows botlike behavior -- how many threads have we seen from people who weren't botting but merely repeating a menial task repeatedly? Plus Anet has shown themselves to be hypocrites and inconsistent time and again when it comes to account suspension/banning.

Personally, here's my advice: hunker down on NFL Sunday, get a box dvd set of some TV series you like, and keep one hand on the mouse. Did my 10k that way.

Zahr Dalsk

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Aug 2007

Canada

03 Dec 2009 at 05:14 - 53

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnChosen

making areas difficult to impossible for legit pugs

PUGs make areas difficult by themselves by being shitty players.

Reverend Dr

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03 Dec 2009 at 05:40 - 54

I don't know of anyone getting banned for using the interrupt bot, much less a harmless one.

Nerel

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Mo/

03 Dec 2009 at 05:51 - 55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winry Sagara

They have many method. Whispering to me or appearing in front of me. If I drink without replying to the GM, I'm botting without any doubt --> BAN. When I was GM, I've used many "tricks" to know if someone is afk or not. For example, you can easily find a bot. If someone click exactly every 1 minute is a bot-user, if someone click 1'1'', 59'' or 1' (not the same time ever) is more difficult that he's a bot-user. There are other methods, I let you fly with your immagination ^^

And when were you a Guild Wars GM? I ask because I don't think anyone who has been to Bergen Hotsprings would be foolish enough to believe Guildwars GM's actually police ANYTHING in game, instead relying completely on server side scripts to watch for repetitive bot-like actions, and banning or not based completely on the server logs.

Reverend Dr

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03 Dec 2009 at 06:25 - 56

GM's in other games have done such things. But to assume that GM's across all MMO's act in the same ways, have the same tools, and follow the same rules is absurd.

Nerel

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Mo/

03 Dec 2009 at 06:47 - 57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

GM's in other games have done such things. But to assume that GM's across all MMO's act in the same ways, have the same tools, and follow the same rules is absurd.

Yep, but I don't think any WoW GMs are going to start issuing bot bans in Guild Wars... we are talking about botting (or macroing drunkard) in Guild Wars aren't we?

zwei2stein

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03 Dec 2009 at 08:03 - 58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reverend Dr

GM's in other games have done such things. But to assume that GM's across all MMO's act in the same ways, have the same tools, and follow the same rules is absurd.

Considering that AOC GM's tend to cybersex with players, i really hope GM's do not all act the same across games.

Nerel

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Mo/

03 Dec 2009 at 08:12 - 59

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Considering that AOC GM's tend to cybersex with players, i really hope GM's do not all act the same across games.

Maybe this should be moved to the GW should have been P2P thread... because I'm sure the GW GMs won't be cybering us for free... I wonder if they could add it to the in game store?

Has anyone ever actually seen a Guild Wars GM policing in game? (no, not Gaile Q&As that devolve into 'I love minipets' love fests or conga lines...)

Winry Sagara

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03 Dec 2009 at 08:56 - 60

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

And when were you a Guild Wars GM?

Absolutely not. In other online games

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

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03 Dec 2009 at 09:06 - 61

I'm pretty sure that if it wasn't for autoclickers, there wouldn't be anywhere near the market for booze as there is now.

If Anet really gave a s*** about people doing it the "noble" way they would have just made a 5 minute effect icon that works similar to grog that updates when when you drink more alcahol instead of having to bother with post processing or the hero panel garbage.

zwei2stein

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03 Dec 2009 at 09:49 - 62

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gennadios

...or the hero panel garbage.

Huh, how does that work?

Nerel

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Mo/

03 Dec 2009 at 10:49 - 63

I assume the "Hero panel garbage" is keeping your hero panel open so you can watch the drunkard title progression as you drink, counting off the minutes so you know when to drink next...

Dzjudz

Furnace Stoker

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03 Dec 2009 at 12:14 - 64

Yep, minimise the hero panel so you can only see the drunkard title, it's smaller than the compass that way. The only thing is that you have to rescroll to the drunkard title every time you zone.

own age myname

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03 Dec 2009 at 13:38 - 65

I don't know of anyone getting banned for using an autoclicker for drunkard. Anet doesn't even to care about bots anymore, look at Bergen and JQ. I doubt they will mess with a drunkard bot, they don't do any harm. They actually take money out of the economy.

Phineas

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12 Dec 2009 at 02:45 - 66

As a player who got the last 9600 minutes whilst at work, all I have to say is "Thank you, Macro Express"

Puddin Cheeks

Wilds Pathfinder

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12 Dec 2009 at 20:52 - 67

Quote:

Originally Posted by own age myname

They actually take money out of the economy.

logic=fail on your part.

same as zkeys, its just transferring gold to other players, not taking it out of economy. Unless you actually buy booze from a merch, then you would just be dumb for spending a ton of money on rice wine.

N E D M

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13 Dec 2009 at 05:22 - 68

Quote:

Originally Posted by Puddin Cheeks

logic=fail on your part.

same as zkeys, its just transferring gold to other players, not taking it out of economy. Unless you actually buy booze from a merch, then you would just be dumb for spending a ton of money on rice wine.

You drink them then they are gone = cannot be resold for profit = gone from the game economy = unlike minipets, ectos (96% of ecto anyways)

Notorious Bob

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14 Dec 2009 at 09:19 - 69

Basic keyboard macros are not and have never been banned by Anet.

In fact Anet gave away a programmable Logitec G15 gaming keyboard in a competition.

Broseiden

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15 Dec 2009 at 06:10 - 70

The assumption that people can be banned for using an autoclicker is that they're doing it while AFK. Well what if someone sits at their computer while watching the autoclicker do the work? Does that count as cheating?

Nerel

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15 Dec 2009 at 10:07 - 71

Quote:

Originally Posted by Notorious Bob

Basic keyboard macros are not and have never been banned by Anet.

In fact Anet gave away a programmable Logitec G15 gaming keyboard in a competition.

Just because a Keyboard they gave away in a competition is capable of complex macros, doesn't mean that ArenaNet have in any way permitted the use of such macros, other that as stated by the EULA.

Oh, and for the issue of using a macro to bot drunkard... Gaile said it's an actionable offense, like other forms of botting. While I doubt they'd be throwing permabans at first time offenders, I suspect temp bans and account marks would be in order.

Quote lifted from the linked page... Gaile Gray said:

Quote:

You ask if someone could be banned for the use of such a program. The answer is yes. That person could be actioned. The Drunkard bot is not as pernicious a botting for gold, but it's still a block-able offense. How you handle that on a guild level is entirely up to you. There's no guarantee that the person will be caught and punished. I would even go so far as to say that it is not a high priority to catch such a person. However, there's no guarantee that he will not be banned, and should a ban be put in place, there would be no legitimate appeal that would override it.

Notorious Bob

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15 Dec 2009 at 12:58 - 72

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nerel

Just because a Keyboard they gave away in a competition is capable of complex macros, doesn't mean that ArenaNet have in any way permitted the use of such macros, other that as stated by the EULA.

Oh, and for the issue of using a macro to bot drunkard... Gaile said it's an actionable offense, like other forms of botting. While I doubt they'd be throwing permabans at first time offenders, I suspect temp bans and account marks would be in order.

Quote lifted from the linked page... Gaile Gray said:

You're misquoting.

Anet have banned bots but a keyboard macro that simply replicates keyclicks is not a bot. Anet have stated previously that use of keyboard macros to replicate keyclick sequences is not considered botting and is not a ban-able offence.

And many, many people pointed out to Anet that they were/did give away a G15 and this discussion was held many, many times.

Do really imagine that over the course of 4+ years that keyboard macros haven't been discussed?

Nerel

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Mo/

15 Dec 2009 at 14:32 - 73

Quote:

Originally Posted by Notorious Bob

You're misquoting.

Anet have banned bots but a keyboard macro that simply replicates keyclicks is not a bot. Anet have stated previously that use of keyboard macros to replicate keyclick sequences is not considered botting and is not a ban-able offence.

And many, many people pointed out to Anet that they were/did give away a G15 and this discussion was held many, many times.

Do really imagine that over the course of 4+ years that keyboard macros haven't been discussed?

How am I misquoting? The original question was about auto clickers... I linked to THE ENTIRE DISCUSSION and quoted the portion of Gaile's reply to the question, ignoring the waffle about titles being rebalanced...

The person asked about autoclickers, Gaile replied...

Show what I misquoted? Or better yet, show me ANY quote from Gaile's response which in anyway changes the context of autoclicking through drunkard?

Or did you somehow MISS THE TITLE OF THIS THREAD?

You want to tell me that ArenaNet have never banned for a keyboard macro?

JohnFahey

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Join Date: Jul 2009

16 Dec 2009 at 14:40 - 74

its banned not b&. makes you look like an idiot