Hi!
Both rangers and elementalists can buy armor that has bonus protection against their choice of one of the four elements. Is there a consensus -- or a detailed debate in another place -- about which is the most expedient to choose?
Well, I get the sense that fire protection is the consensus choice for elementalists, but I'm not sure whether that's for functional reasons or because people think it looks the best.
Obviously, different elements are more likely to be encountered in different places -- fire and earth in the desert, cold in the Shiverpeaks, and so on. How does it wind up balancing out?
I'm thinking PvE here, and assuming that a ranger doesn't always want to run Winter.
Which element to protect against?
Francis Crawford
Former Ruling
99% of rangers wear Druids...not their +15 to ele armor. Druids is about 1000x more helpful and works everywhere.
In PvE I would definately lead you away from wearing it - as theres different elements everywhere. In PvP I /Guess/ You could go Studded, to sort of do alittle better vs Air Spikers.
In PvE I would definately lead you away from wearing it - as theres different elements everywhere. In PvP I /Guess/ You could go Studded, to sort of do alittle better vs Air Spikers.
Talin Verderben
I wear 15k Drakescale with 15k Druids leggings. I wear it mainly for looks. I am thinking of running a build based on Winter and using Frostbound armor though.
LifeInfusion
I'd say fire, not because it is most widely used, but it has the most damage of all the elements.
Alternatively, you could get air protection since air penetrates 25% of armor.
Water won't hurt as much, the main "hurt" is the hexes/slowdowns.
Never get anti earth because earth usually ignores armor.
Alternatively, you could get air protection since air penetrates 25% of armor.
Water won't hurt as much, the main "hurt" is the hexes/slowdowns.
Never get anti earth because earth usually ignores armor.
Cjlr
For rangers, it's usually never worth the extra protection because ALL the ranger armours have a built-in +30 vs Elemental Damage, and the difference between 100 AL and 115 AL against a certain element isn't as good as the extra energy that is provided by druid's armour.
For elementalists, it's kind of a toss-up. Fire is probably the most important, though (at least in PvE) because its more widespread (and it's what you'll want when you get to the ring of fire). Air would be good to have if expect to be going against air spiking in PvP, but there's not many monsters that use air... Hydromancer is a little better in the Shiverpeaks, but you're not there long and the difference is still not great.
To summarize: Rangers should probably go with druid's. Extra energy > slightly better armour. Elementalists, is a toss up - choose based on what you can afford and where you'll be using it.
For elementalists, it's kind of a toss-up. Fire is probably the most important, though (at least in PvE) because its more widespread (and it's what you'll want when you get to the ring of fire). Air would be good to have if expect to be going against air spiking in PvP, but there's not many monsters that use air... Hydromancer is a little better in the Shiverpeaks, but you're not there long and the difference is still not great.
To summarize: Rangers should probably go with druid's. Extra energy > slightly better armour. Elementalists, is a toss up - choose based on what you can afford and where you'll be using it.
chris_nin00
15k druids for female rangers are my favorite 
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Back on topic.
Fire is the most widely used element in the PvE world.
Your decision should be based on style intead. The fur looks nice
.*ahem*
Back on topic.
Fire is the most widely used element in the PvE world.
Your decision should be based on style intead. The fur looks nice
Markaedw
I have one of each, and I wear which ever one I am fighting, when I farmed garg for candy canes, I wear the studded leather, when I was working ring of fire I wore fire, when I'm in droks it was the frost, and for everything else I still use my desrt collector armor. I don't like the druid lack of protection, altough she does look hot in the grotto armor, but a corpse is still a corpse.
I also now have a storage problem, all my storage is her armor.
I also now have a storage problem, all my storage is her armor.
Rajamic
While fire is the most common in PvE, I don't really see it as a threat. The enemies aren't smart enough to use them properly, and most of the time they are AoEs you can walk out of, like Lava Font.
I always go Druids (Go go gadget energy!) for Ranger. And Aeromancer for Eles, since the +15 AL pretty much exactly counters the 25% AP most of the air spells have (and is much more of a threat in PvP).
I always go Druids (Go go gadget energy!) for Ranger. And Aeromancer for Eles, since the +15 AL pretty much exactly counters the 25% AP most of the air spells have (and is much more of a threat in PvP).
Francis Crawford
Got it. Druids' for Rangers, obviating the question.
Aeromancer for elementalists in PvP
Pyromancer for elementalists in PvE.
Override any of the above if you have an aesthetic preference.
Thanks!!
Aeromancer for elementalists in PvP
Pyromancer for elementalists in PvE.
Override any of the above if you have an aesthetic preference.
Thanks!!
Juicey Shake
I wore 15k drakes for effectiveness.
Taking <10 damage from most AoE fire skills = love.
I remade my ranger now, and went with druids for energy effectivity, and the boost in energy is quite nice ^^..
Taking <10 damage from most AoE fire skills = love.
I remade my ranger now, and went with druids for energy effectivity, and the boost in energy is quite nice ^^..
Maxiemonster
I disagree on buying fire as the element you should protect always.
I'd always choose water above fire when I'd get to buy my 1.5K/15K when I had a PVE Character that will farm alot. Farming IDS? Water. Farming greens? Water. Though, if you're not a farmer, and you fight every place in Tyria just as much, jep, Fire would indeed be great, but I still think it doesn't matter what armor you choose, just go for the looks, unless you're farming specific places.
(If I'd ever make an Elementalist I would go for the Geomancer armor too, since it doesn't matter enough, and 15K Geomancer is hot!)
I'd always choose water above fire when I'd get to buy my 1.5K/15K when I had a PVE Character that will farm alot. Farming IDS? Water. Farming greens? Water. Though, if you're not a farmer, and you fight every place in Tyria just as much, jep, Fire would indeed be great, but I still think it doesn't matter what armor you choose, just go for the looks, unless you're farming specific places.
(If I'd ever make an Elementalist I would go for the Geomancer armor too, since it doesn't matter enough, and 15K Geomancer is hot!)
LifeInfusion
He asked which element to protect against, not which one is best.
Or I would've said Druid's because 15AL vs. elemental when you have 100AL already... isn't making much a difference (especially when you are ranged and can RUN).
Or I would've said Druid's because 15AL vs. elemental when you have 100AL already... isn't making much a difference (especially when you are ranged and can RUN).
Markaedw
I was reading about the warrior knights armor giving full benifitd even one if only one peice was worn, does any one know if this applies to all other armor ie range 70 + 15 vs ele X or the elemental what ever (I don't have an ele in droks yet).
If so the druids, frost gloves, drakescale pants ans studed leather boots gives total coverage
If so the druids, frost gloves, drakescale pants ans studed leather boots gives total coverage
Lady Lozza
IMHO hydro and pyro are the most useful. Fire eles and air eles are the most popular in game however many rangers use winter. My ele (who is a ranger 2ndary) had taken to using it too now in areas that do not do cold dmg.
To the best of my knowledge ele armour does NOT work the same way, but I really do not know.
To the best of my knowledge ele armour does NOT work the same way, but I really do not know.
Markaedw
I'm at work now, but I may have to test out the ranger armor when I get home.
LifeInfusion
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I was reading about the warrior knights armor giving full benifitd even one if only one peice was worn, does any one know if this applies to all other armor ie range 70 + 15 vs ele X or the elemental what ever (I don't have an ele in droks yet).
If so the druids, frost gloves, drakescale pants ans studed leather boots gives total coverage |
Thank goodness for that. Or I'd have a fit on how eangers can have 115AL vs. all elemental stuff.
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IMHO hydro and pyro are the most useful. Fire eles and air eles are the most popular in game however many rangers use winter. My ele (who is a ranger 2ndary) had taken to using it too now in areas that do not do cold dmg.
To the best of my knowledge ele armour does NOT work the same way, but I really do not know. |
I have rarely seen winter used unless people are wearing frostbound sets. (Elementalists don't use Ranger subclass usually.)
Two April Mornings
buy fire protection
Markaedw
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No. It doesn't workfor the ranger armors. Why? Absorption not same as +AL.
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MMSDome
my solution is buy them all, each for different areas
Fungus Amongus
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my solution is buy them all, each for different areas
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Pevil Lihatuh
as already mentioned, most rangers will use Druids. I do too.
However, as a R/Me, when I wish to solo, I take Greater Conflagration (spirit: all phys dmg is converted to fire dmg) and Elemental Resistance (+ x to ele res, - x to phys res) which works well, as there is NO phys dmg coming in at you, so the penalty to the physical armour doesn't matter.
With druids this works great, but for when I do solo instead of normal play, I'm planning on getting some drakescale armour (+ vs fire) so that any physical damage I convert to fire will do even less, and all the other types of damage will still be negated almost as much by ele resist.
I'd suggest playing around with it. Buy some cheap sets of each, see what works best for you, then choose one (or all) you prefer
However, as a R/Me, when I wish to solo, I take Greater Conflagration (spirit: all phys dmg is converted to fire dmg) and Elemental Resistance (+ x to ele res, - x to phys res) which works well, as there is NO phys dmg coming in at you, so the penalty to the physical armour doesn't matter.
With druids this works great, but for when I do solo instead of normal play, I'm planning on getting some drakescale armour (+ vs fire) so that any physical damage I convert to fire will do even less, and all the other types of damage will still be negated almost as much by ele resist.
I'd suggest playing around with it. Buy some cheap sets of each, see what works best for you, then choose one (or all) you prefer
Markaedw
buying all can get pricey, if you do that stick with all droks 1.5k because the granite citadel and grotto can go between 60k-100k depending on how much you have to pay for supplies.
If you buy 1 of each with; start the droks drakes skale (fire), due to it being the most versitile (and it looks pretty good), the grotto draks scale looks really ugly with this huge "thing" growing out of the shoulder and the druid +8 energy is only looks good on female rangers (can we say bikini). The droks fur armor (cold) and studded leather (lightning) look almost identical to the citadel.
I can't say anything about elemental stuff.
If you buy 1 of each with; start the droks drakes skale (fire), due to it being the most versitile (and it looks pretty good), the grotto draks scale looks really ugly with this huge "thing" growing out of the shoulder and the druid +8 energy is only looks good on female rangers (can we say bikini). The droks fur armor (cold) and studded leather (lightning) look almost identical to the citadel.
I can't say anything about elemental stuff.
Raspberry Heaven
I recently bought a set of Pyro's Citidel armor, and I agree. Buy armor based on looks if there's no major advantage (for Ele at least).
Rangers can change damage type, so there can be a more prominenet advantage based on armor.
Rangers can change damage type, so there can be a more prominenet advantage based on armor.
Robster Lobster
I usually go for water armour increases, because Ice Spear can hurt alot if it's getting spammed on you by one guy, and a fair few Necro skills do cold damage.