Possible to do an UW Full Clear with 2 People + Heros???

i dont suppose too many people try UW full clear with heros, and if they do, dont make it to dhuum. not usually fault of their own...heros have some silly logic.

Sorry to hijack this for a second, but I was wondering if there is a section on this forum to make posts looking for groups?

Even my full human player guild teams have failed the last couple times I have tried this stupid area. I just want to finish The Waiting Game with all 8 of my characters (no monk or ranger) and never set foot in there again.

Why they felt the need to hamper this area for the regular players and make it a gold mine for the SCers, I'll never know.

Just tried the 3 person 5 hero build in UW NM, but changed the SoS human to a hero.

made it in 2h 51 minutes. I put pain inverter on my bar for dhuum, turned out it was a wasted slot, all the heroes interrupted judgement of dhuum 95% of the time.

One hero and my girlfriend came back as a ghost, me too right at the end, but by then dhumms rest was full so I just used the damage skill only.

The bars could use a tweek here and there, and we over used cons, ie a full set a dhuum, where as just an essence would probably be enough.

Me and the girlfriend reckon on getting it down to 2 hours shouldn't be asking too much, especially with more optimized builds etc, ie I dont think the sin tank is needed at 4H, if you crowd 4 heroes either side of him, a 2nd DwG human might kill stuff quick enough. More experimentation is needed.

So good luck to all you couples

chullster:

First, congrats on what appears to be the first 2 man UW full clear! Although I know it is a PvX team build, since the PvX build lacks any specifics on tactics for the quests, you deserve credit for a job well done!

I presume that the builds are all essentially the same as the PvX Wiki UW Heroway team build? (Obviously a few modifications would have been needed for the SoS, but I'm just curious if you needed any other modifications to make it through.)

Would you mind sharing some of the key tactics you needed to use for the quests? The biggest question I have is about the strategy you used for 4H. Did you use the standard choke point strategy, or did you need to do something different? Also, what was the party split for this (basic 4 + 4, or did you have certain heros flagged on the other side)?

Sorry for all the questions, I just really would love to FINALLY get past this area (post Dhuum).

P A A:

Thanks very much for they build and the strategy idea for 4H.

Well, today, we did it again, but with a D/A using deadly paradox and shadowform for 4H, with a couple of sin enchantments and asuran scan plus attack skills.

Tank stands just out of aggro range of reaper, other 7 people on other side, again just out of aggro range of reaper.

I brought GDW instead of pain inverter on my bar this time, so the derv could KD too.

Nicely done chiuna, that is most certainly an accomplishment! Most importantly, thank you very much for the builds and the screen shots, I greatly appreciated it! Good to see that there is more than one way to make it through, and that if you have patience, you can make it through on your own (with a little help from a friend to "lend" you their heros).

Now you guys have me inspired that the UW Heroway team build provides a very good framework for a team that is running with heros. I plan to do some more testing on this shortly.

Finally had our successful split-clear, although it took 3 hours so I'm not sure we gained anything.... one team of 2 spirit spammers, illusion hero, panic player, and another 2 spirit spam, keystone hero, barrage ranger. Splitting the quests as needed was even easier than a tank, the hard part was sometimes slow going clearing the places up to it.

Anyway as mentioned, the key is really mesmers. They can destroy large dryder groups completely, and protects your heroes not only from damage, but running around like idiots from AoE as well as protecting spirits and shutting down aura of resto.

I have now been able to use a slight variation of the Heroway team build to complete Ice King and 4H (did numerous times with 2 humans + 6 heros, and once with 1 human + 6 heros).

Amazingly, which is now the most problematic is the Imprisoned Spirits (Bone Pits) quest. This quest used to be easily manageable, but the spawn types and locations have changed substantially since the addition of Dhuum. If you are at the spirit spawn location facing the bridge, silver dryders now spawn to your left, while the terrorwebs spawn in a circle on the reaper side of the bridge (the side of the bridge which is closest to you). Sadly, the wikis don't have maps showing specific spawn points. I see chiuna's screen for the pits showing the hero placement, but the screen doesn't show the spawn locations, and that team was running with the spirits being bonded.

Accordingly, I have two questions:
(1) Does anyone have a map or screen shots showing the specific spawn locations for Imprisoned Spirits?

(2) Both chiuna's screen shot and my successful run used a human bonder. My current team config is able to dominate most of the other zones, but doesn't use a bonder. Any thoughts/suggestions on completing this quest with heros in a team without a bonder? I presume that a different party split would help, but I am still trying to sort out the best possible tactics.

As always, thank you all for your time and efforts!

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EDIT: Found solutions to both of these issues. Now know the spawn points and solved the issue with the need to protect the spirits.

There's an infinite amount of combinations that are possible, the one he used is just one of the more common ones. When me and my co-leader do it, we'll show you what we use

I am VERY pleased to report that I have FINALLY made it through, and with 2 people + 6 heros.

Here is a screen from the successful run.



Thanks to Anduin for joining me on this run and for doing an awesome job.

Congratulations Jetlaw on achieving your goal

Hey, just dropping in to give props to 2-man UWers. That's leet status, period.

Next is Hard mode, eh?

-CM

Grats on your full run

Last night did a full UW run with 2 players (both ritualists spirits) and 6 heroes - I'm at work so don't have the full builds available but roughly builds were -

Player 1: Full Channelling rit, rest into Spawning, running SOS, channelling spirits, painful bond + technobabble
Player 2: Full communing rest into spawning running SOGM, + Vanguard Assasin

Hero 1: AOTL minion master - even though UW has a lot of non fleshies, the places that do have them - MM is very useful - eg 4 horsemen
Hero 2: Mesmer running interupter + PI
Hero 3: Soul Twist + displacement Ritualist, + spirits
Hero 4: RIT spirit heal
Hero 5: Wanderlust + earthbind necro + other spirits
Hero 6: Earth Ele

No hard bits really, we had our Ele die once - no deaths apart from that even at Dhuum.

Did take a while, and only cons used was a moral boost at the start

Normal mode though - might work in HM but would definitely need cons - will get the full builds and tactics for the quests up in a couple o days

Done!

This night, a friend (Danny Assasin) and me do it in 1:51. Now, we are thinking in do it in less than 1:30.
We do it with the heroway post on pvx, but change the SoS human for one hero, and minor changes on skills.
Hm is, imo, a bit hard with this builds, because they have +7 regen, atack faster, etc...




EDIT: Done in 77 min. Thinking about do it in less than 1 hour.



Gl all


PD: Sorry for my bad english, i only know the english i learn in the school, and that was few years ago XD

Argaen:

Care to share what you are doing to get it done so quickly? I've done a couple runs with the hero team, with the second run being around 3 hrs. Would be interested to know what build mods and tactics changes you used - if you wouldn't mind sharing. I'd also be curious to know if there were some special tactics you were using to get through the quests quickly, since I'd wager that is part of how you have been able to speed the process up. Thanks!

After a few false starts at 4H quest, me and my girlfriend managed to complete UW in hard mode with 6 heros.

We changed the SF tank to an E/mo bonder, and the DwG rit for a fevered dreams necro.

Also we changed the necro rit for a Bsurge Para. Unusual I know

Most of the other builds are the same as the nm heroway on PvX.

It took 3 hours 19m , with a meal break and a few bathroom breaks.

We took a cautious route through missions doing the harder ones first, like 4H etc, rather than the most direct order.

As it was our first time completing it, we used a full conset at 4H, Pits and Wastes, as well as more personal cons at dhuum himself.

We think a couple of skills can be changed here and there, but it's possible to do UW HM with heroes, without shadow form involved.

Nicely done chullster!

Completing it with a Emo bonder really makes the process much easier, especially when you add the bonding to the protection offered by the prot Rit. Most importantly, having a human bonder allows the targeting of NPCs, to keep the ghosts and keepers alive (sometimes a challenging prospect during the Pits quest and 4H). Having done it with a hero Emo a couple times, I can attest to the increased difficulty of having to micro heros to make sure that they heal/protect the NPCs. In one particular instance the hero healers completely refused to heal the NPC ghosts during the Pits quest, even while I was micromanaging their skills (the healers were in range of the ghosts, I had the ghosts targeted, and they had plenty of energy, but for some odd reason they simply refused to cast on the ghosts - it was one of the oddest things I have seen).

One thing that is nice about the Heroway build is that it seems to have lots of possibilities for variation. The Perma puller is helpful (especially for quests like Unwanted Guests), but most certainly not needed (all of my completed runs through Dhuum have been without a perma). The key requirements appear to be: 2 Mesmer interrupters (choosing between Keystone, Psy Insecurity, and Panic), 1 party wide protter (either Rit or Para), 1 UA monk, and at least one other character providing some healing (such as the standard SS necro hero with healing skills, an Emo bonder, etc.). The remaining 3 are really variable, and can include numerous options, such as SoS (probably the most valuable of the damage dealers), Glaive, Perma, as well as lots of other damage dealing alternatives (I have had fun running a RoJ in this role to make easy work of skeletons, but I can easily see possibilities for every profession). Accordingly, it looks like it is finally possible for people to be able to take all of their characters through the UW, thanks to this team config.

Congrats to all who have 2 man UW with Hero's It gives me hope that my hubby and I will get there

I'll share my own experiences here, this will mostly be a C&P job though.

Me and my bro did UW in normal with 6 heroes some time ago. It took us a 4-5 tries because we didn't know most of the quests and there is only so much knowledge you can get from the wiki. You basically try and fail until you get it right.

We didn't use consets except for Dhuum. We didn't want to **** up there.

The team setup was:

- Me, a sword warrior with the generic PvE skills (it certainly wasn't optimal for UW)
- My brother with his RoJ monk with Summon Ruby Djinn, Assassin Support and Vampirism
- 3 Spiritway heroes (MM-protector, SoS-healer, SoGM spirit spawner)
- 2 RoJ monk heroes with some healing capabilities
- 1 earth magic anti-melee hero with Eruption, Ward Against Melee, Unsteady Ground, etc.

Once we got the quests figured out, they were not particularly difficult except for the Four Horsemen. In 4H, we started off by placing spirits to 2 of the 4 spawn locations to delay the attacking groups. Then we accepted the quest and killed the remaining two groups quickly on each side. After being overwhelmed, we regrouped near the Reaper from where we finished them off as they arrived. This tactic seemed to work most of the time.

When we got to Dhuum we spread out in the center of his sanctum, and the healers could keep up with the damage he did to the party. We used a conset here for safety, but it should be manageable without one as well. Heroes in ghost form automatically use the Encase Skeletal skill which can cause your party to be overwhelmed, so it's best to disable it if a hero turns into a ghost.

If you're giving UW a try with heroes, keep in mind that it is the most difficult elite area in Guild Wars and even if you do know every quest inside and out, you may still be sent back to town a couple of times before going through.

Did it yesterday with a friend. I was hb,he went war endurance.
Heroes were earth ele,panic mes,ritual lord with comm spirits,roj,prot and ua.

Took us 2h, we did 4h and wastes quests 1st since those are the hardest.Rest was c-space.

At dhuum we balled at the gate and almost perma kd'd him.