Every now and then I'll report a gold-selling spambot, by using /report ingame, but after all these recent hacking of accounts, I'm wondering if I am not royally screwing someone's account because a hacker was able to access it for some time, and started to use it to advertise gold.
What if that user is able to get that account back, would that user get banned for selling gold ingame?
Or is a hacked account considered lost to that player after a hacker got access to it?
I'm a bit hesitant about reporting people at the moment, don't want to ruin any legitimate players account.
Reporting gold-sellers a good thing to do?
Arduin
DustMite
When I see them with random gibberish for names, I have no problems reporting.
That is if ya can catch em with their sneak attack spamming and district hopping
That is if ya can catch em with their sneak attack spamming and district hopping
Eragon Zarroc
impossible to know. at least reporting will prevent the hacker from taking advantage of the stolen person's account
Tullzinski
I think that support would be able to determine the date of your report, the dates the account was hacked/returned. Then make the proper determination and not ban them for spamming.
Report away and let support sort em out. Gold sellers suck as much as botters
Report away and let support sort em out. Gold sellers suck as much as botters
Just.nl
You can report someone not with only the /report command. You can also make a screenshot of the goldseller. Then you can mail it to Arenanet's Support. With the time when the goldseller was there. What place, what district etc. Then you have evrything. And if it is alright you get a mail back that his account is Sunspended
Yelling @ Cats
ANet doesn't care anyway.
Apok Omen
Why the hell would you report goldsellers anyway?
They don't hurt you, why hurt them?
They paid for the account, and are just trying to make an honest living.
It's a friggin' recession, man. Lay off.
God.
They don't hurt you, why hurt them?
They paid for the account, and are just trying to make an honest living.
It's a friggin' recession, man. Lay off.
God.
Yelling @ Cats
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Why the hell would you report goldsellers anyway?
They don't hurt you, why hurt them? They paid for the account, and are just trying to make an honest living. It's a friggin' recession, man. Lay off. God. |
Hyperventilate
The way I see it, is that the faster the account is locked, the faster the real owner can get their account back.
They can see from what IP the account was accessed from, so if it's from china....
They get the idea.
They can see from what IP the account was accessed from, so if it's from china....
They get the idea.
Dont Nerf The Perma
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They don't hurt you, why hurt them?
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Kook~NBK~
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Why the hell would you report goldsellers anyway?
They don't hurt you, why hurt them? They paid for the account, and are just trying to make an honest living. It's a friggin' recession, man. Lay off. God. |
Tullzinski
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Why the hell would you report goldsellers anyway?
They don't hurt you, why hurt them? They paid for the account, and are just trying to make an honest living. It's a friggin' recession, man. Lay off. God. |
TheRemedy
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Originally Posted by Yelling @ Cats
ANet doesn't care anyway.
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Most MMO game servers I've been on do not have an affective method of stopping spammer bots. I too think they are annoying as hell, but I don't think much will be done from the /report. It's just something we will have to deal with, I feel it was much better when ebay let you sell virtual items. The demand was way down for hacking businesses from overseas gold. Virtual worlds will never be the same as they once were ca. 2002-03.
Dre
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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc
impossible to know. at least reporting will prevent the hacker from taking advantage of the stolen person's account
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If it's a stolen account, it will be blocked and the original owner will be able to reclaim it by sending a support ticket.
Bob Slydell
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I LOL'd! You do not make an "honest" living by hacking other people's accounts and stripping them of anything worth more than 10g.
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QFT!
Most MMO game servers I've been on do not have an affective method of stopping spammer bots. I too think they are annoying as hell, but I don't think much will be done from the /report. It's just something we will have to deal with, I feel it was much better when ebay let you sell virtual items. The demand was way down for hacking businesses from overseas gold. Virtual worlds will never be the same as they once were ca. 2002-03. |
I still think Anet does better on the spam than most others.
snowman relic
to be honest gold sellers piss me off more then botters because botters from what i know dont take accounts and botters you kno speed up the economy around events from farming/selling goods which in turn must go to something the person who was botting wanted no way its just with a NPC so there is some player benefit with them but gold sellers just suck
EDIT: i forgot to say this before but this wintersday anet has decided to ban all the bots now im not saying thats horrible of anet because the botters are breaking the rules yet you can stand in ToB and probably get 20 gold sellers in an hour tell me how thats fair gold sellers do more damage then the botters because botter money goes somewere usually
EDIT: i forgot to say this before but this wintersday anet has decided to ban all the bots now im not saying thats horrible of anet because the botters are breaking the rules yet you can stand in ToB and probably get 20 gold sellers in an hour tell me how thats fair gold sellers do more damage then the botters because botter money goes somewere usually
Olim Chill
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Why the hell would you report goldsellers anyway?
They don't hurt you, why hurt them? They paid for the account, and are just trying to make an honest living. It's a friggin' recession, man. Lay off. God. |
Rocky Raccoon
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Why the hell would you report goldsellers anyway?
They don't hurt you, why hurt them? They paid for the account, and are just trying to make an honest living. It's a friggin' recession, man. Lay off. God. |
Eragon Selene
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They're part of the reason GW economy isn't so great.
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If someone wants to piss away REAL LIFE money to buy GAME MONEY, they have to much REAL LIFE money and need to mail me some.
If someone wants to pisss away there dollars buying Plat so what....... I like me real money to much, buying the game was bad enough
Kumu Honua
Taking a SS and reporting via web support is so much more satisfying than /report. With the web support you get a response that states that the account was suspended.
In fact just today someone I had already reported for scamming aion wing codes was at it again. The second suspension was just beautiful.
GTFO scammers.
In fact just today someone I had already reported for scamming aion wing codes was at it again. The second suspension was just beautiful.
GTFO scammers.
DoomFrost
Come on guys gold sellers aren't that bad. I love it when they spam their adverts in GToB. Just give gold sellers a chance. It's the holidays after all, show that Christmas spirit.
Cuilan
Anet should add items to their store to give competition. Stack of ectos for $10 USD?
DoomFrost
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Anet should add items to their store to give competition. Stack of ectos for $10 USD?
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silvernova
I remember something being said on the guru forums how the in game economy hurts even if someone horded alot of gold or ecto and just stopped playing the game, so to my point wouldnt stupid people spending REAL MONEY actually in turn help more than to just ban the account and have the gold and items lost forever to hurt the economy. Anet isnt allowed to take items unless they were purchased by above methods, so the gold seller obviously isnt paying himself for gold, so in a way anet is actually hurting the economy by just banning the accounts. Even blizzard about 4 years ago ( I think) had to personally buy gold from korean gold sellers with REAL MONEY, bc it was still infact there virtual property on the account and they couldnt just simply steal it like a account hacker would. So i say either let people with too much money do it for anet (which im sure blizzard would have liked such help) , or admit they break there own rules and do the same actions we hate account stealers for. Again bc Im pretty sure gold sellers dont buy there own gold from themselves, so you couldnt liberate them from there own gold. Just saying bc i Sell my cousin gold all the time he doesnt have patience to farm so 10 bucks for 200-300k is cool with me and anet will never be able to do anything about it, hell i traded a friend 100k for a pack of cigs. Just thought i would put my 2 cents in on the matter (I also know my opinion doesnt matter, so no hate replies im aware gold selling is bad but when your outta cigs and need one who am i to turn the deal down).
Just saying they need a way to recirculate the lost ecto and gold and fix this poor GW economy, Its bad enough our real world economy sux, i play a fantasy mmo to get away from real world money probs
he doesnt have patience to farm so 10 bucks for 200-300k is cool with me and anet will never be able to do anything about it, hell i traded a friend 100k for a pack of cigs. Just thought i would put my 2 cents in on the matter (I also know my opinion doesnt matter, so no hate replies im aware gold selling is bad but when your outta cigs and need one who am i to turn the deal down).Just saying they need a way to recirculate the lost ecto and gold and fix this poor GW economy, Its bad enough our real world economy sux, i play a fantasy mmo to get away from real world money probs
Yelling @ Cats
If they really cared, they would have sat in one of the farming districts, and banned the obvious bots.
I mean hell, most of the time they are all in the same guild, with names like lovemeguya, lovemeguyb, lovemeguyc...all taking the exact same movement patterns (which includes running into a sign, making a full 360 degree turn, then running out the door).
I mean hell, most of the time they are all in the same guild, with names like lovemeguya, lovemeguyb, lovemeguyc...all taking the exact same movement patterns (which includes running into a sign, making a full 360 degree turn, then running out the door).
silvernova
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If they really cared, they would have sat in one of the farming districts, and banned the obvious bots.
I mean hell, most of the time they are all in the same guild, with names like lovemeguya, lovemeguyb, lovemeguyc...all taking the exact same movement patterns (which includes running into a sign, making a full 360 degree turn, then running out the door). |
Xenex Xclame
How do you spot a "afk bot"?And whats the point of having a bot to make you be afk?
Sounds like you reported some perfectly normal players, you do know normal players also farm that area right?
Sounds like you reported some perfectly normal players, you do know normal players also farm that area right?
snowman relic
xenex xclame u make a perfectly good point over the years i have found some signes of the person is botting
1) if you watch them run it is always in the same pattern
2) often guildless to disassociate themselfs
3) status says online but they never talk
4) form a line with others if they all go the same direction
now im not saying all of these are sure signs im just saying if they all happen at once theres a big chance the person is a bot
1) if you watch them run it is always in the same pattern
2) often guildless to disassociate themselfs
3) status says online but they never talk
4) form a line with others if they all go the same direction
now im not saying all of these are sure signs im just saying if they all happen at once theres a big chance the person is a bot
asb
Yea, I'm reporting them, mainly for fun. It's a little mini game I play with my friend when were together: Once we see a spammer(who usually leaves district to avoid getting /report'ed), we split up hopping outposts, and whoever reports him first wins.
Lishy
To be honest, I don't really have a problem with literal "gold-traders"
I mean, if I know a friend personally in real life and they offered me 100k ingame for 20$ to quickly buy something that is about to sell out, I would take the deal. |Friends do these kinds of things with each other and I see nothing wrong with that.
Of course, this is a whole different scenario than in-game gold sellers. Friends are way different.
You see, when we talk about hackers and gold selling advertisement, it's a whole different story. But I'm not commenting on that. Although I certalinly do not support that form of trade.
I also do not support being a tattle tale over farming.
There are quite a few guildless people here who farm using repeated actions.
And we ignore because we're fighting a mob and, oh, you know. Farming?
To intentionally scout out bots for farming seems kind of wrong to since your observations would accuse innocent players of botting when you "think" they are botting.
For example is Bergan Hot Springs feather farm. The farm is just so easy that anyone can do it and look like a bot.
That said, it is up to anet to catch bots.
I mean, if I know a friend personally in real life and they offered me 100k ingame for 20$ to quickly buy something that is about to sell out, I would take the deal. |Friends do these kinds of things with each other and I see nothing wrong with that.
Of course, this is a whole different scenario than in-game gold sellers. Friends are way different.
You see, when we talk about hackers and gold selling advertisement, it's a whole different story. But I'm not commenting on that. Although I certalinly do not support that form of trade.
I also do not support being a tattle tale over farming.
There are quite a few guildless people here who farm using repeated actions.
And we ignore because we're fighting a mob and, oh, you know. Farming?
To intentionally scout out bots for farming seems kind of wrong to since your observations would accuse innocent players of botting when you "think" they are botting.
For example is Bergan Hot Springs feather farm. The farm is just so easy that anyone can do it and look like a bot.
That said, it is up to anet to catch bots.
Curo
It's fairly simple the way I see it. Most gold sellers fall into one of the following categories:
a) Hackers that steal accounts and sell off the stolen goods.
b) People that use bots (3rd party programs) to farm the game.
I think it's pretty undisputed that hacking/stealing is bad. Some people however seem to be promoting 3rd party programs. From what I see, they are being used to circumvent the way GW was designed to be played. As a matter of principle, I won't even use something as simple as texmod, let alone a farm bot.
I think it's cool if a friend wants to sell gold to a friend. It's not economically efficient to actually play the game (as it was intended, with no hacking or botting) and sell off your e-profits. $10 for 300k...and how long does it take to make 300k? So this kind of gold selling is fine in my books, but if the users fit into one of the categories I stated above, it is definitely wrong and should be reported and dealt with.
a) Hackers that steal accounts and sell off the stolen goods.
b) People that use bots (3rd party programs) to farm the game.
I think it's pretty undisputed that hacking/stealing is bad. Some people however seem to be promoting 3rd party programs. From what I see, they are being used to circumvent the way GW was designed to be played. As a matter of principle, I won't even use something as simple as texmod, let alone a farm bot.
I think it's cool if a friend wants to sell gold to a friend. It's not economically efficient to actually play the game (as it was intended, with no hacking or botting) and sell off your e-profits. $10 for 300k...and how long does it take to make 300k? So this kind of gold selling is fine in my books, but if the users fit into one of the categories I stated above, it is definitely wrong and should be reported and dealt with.
silvernova
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Xenex Xclame
You are the one that mentioned "afk bot", a bot that helps you afk.
What is a farming bot a bot that helps you farm.
All bots are "afk bots" if the person is not afk that it is a macro, it would be pointless to run a bot, while sitting at the computer and watch the screen.(and wouldn't that be kind of stupid since most of the bots dont even draw the game world, so you would be looking at a pretty boring screen.)
What is a farming bot a bot that helps you farm.
All bots are "afk bots" if the person is not afk that it is a macro, it would be pointless to run a bot, while sitting at the computer and watch the screen.(and wouldn't that be kind of stupid since most of the bots dont even draw the game world, so you would be looking at a pretty boring screen.)
Zim.
By not reporting a bot, you are indirectly helping weaken the Guild Wars economy and ultimately making Guild Wars suck more than it does. If someone loses their account, its because they were unlucky or irresponsable and the account should be reported regardless.
dr love
THE SPAMMERS ARE USING FREE TRIALS OR TRIAL KEYS etc.
so it doesn't matter.
so it doesn't matter.
Zebideedee
Most if not all the gold sellers include a web address, maybe A-Net should make www. etc. unuseable in anything but a pm, something along the same way that the game won't let you pick a pick a character name like Johnny F*cknuts, just a thought
upier
Sorry babes', I am to busy staring at my character's ass to notice the world around me.
TheRemedy
The worst gold seller spamming and botting I have ever seen was an MMO by aeria games. It was all one server, so you could run into obvious bots. The GM's only cared about busting the people buying the gold, and would let the botters sit in the same zone constantly botting. They would ban IP strings and website names from chat, but the botters would always find a way around it. Eventually it seemed they just gave up, and so did I from the annoyance.
TheRemedy
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Most if not all the gold sellers include a web address, maybe A-Net should make www. etc. unuseable in anything but a pm, something along the same way that the game won't let you pick a pick a character name like Johnny F*cknuts, just a thought
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I think they should focus more on stopping the bots, or endorse a controlled auction similar to Sony with EQ. Nobody would do business w/ hackers across seas if there is an endorsed option that takes a cut of each auction. They would make more money that way than with NCsoft Store.
II Lucky Charm II
Don't worry, just report whoever you see selling gold. Their accounts will not get banned. From the costumes update, we know that Anet is having financial problems. Ever think that Anet could be selling gold? It's their property, they can do whatever they want with it.