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Giant with Spear

Giant with Spear

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

Netherlands

Face of Dragon

N/A

I played allot with my discord team, but i think its not good enough... it can be better. Thats why i came up with a new group of heroes, including GWEN. Almost nobody uses her, but im doing. im looking for some input for a build, with the elite skill Visions of Regret. Please experienced players help me out, because I almost no nothing aboout mesmers..

Lets say i got this (made it myself ;D)
1. Cry of Frustration
2. Power spike
3. Drain enchantment
4. Power drain
5. Backfire
6. Empathy
7. VoR
8. Res

Lourens

Lourens

Forge Runner

Join Date: Mar 2006

I would pack her with Visions of regret,Empathy,Backfire,Power Drain,Power Spike,Cry of frustration,Leech signet and a res =]

Gennadios

Gennadios

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Jun 2009

N/A

Less ppl use Norgu than Gwen.

On topic, heroes run Arcane Echo like ass. Don't be surprised if it ends up getting cancelled by leech signet or turns into a rez half the time.

Also, if you already have Backfire in your group, empathy won't be all that necesary. I'd almost recommend power leech as your elite since you already have points in inspiration.

ac1inferno

ac1inferno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Boston

We D Shot Your Stances [GODS]

A/W

[build prof=me/rt channel=10 insp=9+1+1 fast=9+1][tease][power drain][Optional][Optional][Optional][splinter weapon][ancestor's rage][death pact signet][/build]

- Optionals should be:
-- Protective Was Kaolai & Weapon of Warding (increase Restoration Magic to 8)
-- Drain Enchantment
-- Cry of Frustration & Power Spike (increase Domination Magic to 8+1)
-- Power Return

Tenebrae

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

Whats the point ? interrupting and drain ench from foes? or just want some utilities + interrupts ?

ac1inferno

ac1inferno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Boston

We D Shot Your Stances [GODS]

A/W

Just to spam [[Splinter Weapon] and [[Ancestors' Rage]. Those two skills can beat PvE by themselves so the rest can be any other optional supports you want.

Giant with Spear

Giant with Spear

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

Netherlands

Face of Dragon

N/A

If I put splinter weapon on gwen, (I use a MM, would she use splinter weapon automatically on the minions?).

Im trying something else then triple necro, and trying to put a VoR mesmer in WITH 2 necro;s, I now got a AotL MM, and a IV healer, but what should u do as third?

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Giant with Spear View Post
If I put splinter weapon on gwen, (I use a MM, would she use splinter weapon automatically on the minions?).
To my knowledge, heroes don't throw Splinter on minions.

Quote: Originally Posted by Giant with Spear View Post
Im trying something else then triple necro, and trying to put a VoR mesmer in WITH 2 necro;s, I now got a AotL MM, and a IV healer, but what should u do as third? Well, the options that work obscenely good are:
1. ER protter - something in the lines of this:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:E/Mo_ER_Protter
(Include Infuse Health!)
2. Spirit Spammer
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Rt/a...Channeling_Rit
(look at the optional skill to fill the slots - Bloodsong should be on that bar though!)

Or you could run a full hero build like this:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Hero_Spiritway

ac1inferno

ac1inferno

Desert Nomad

Join Date: Aug 2007

Boston

We D Shot Your Stances [GODS]

A/W

Quote:
Originally Posted by upier View Post
1. Razzy with 14 in Chan is a better option for Splinter spam.
While its true that it would be better as Rt/Me, but then it wouldn't be a mesmer.

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2. IF he even wants Splinter spam on a what seems to be a full caster team.
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Originally Posted by upier View Post
To my knowledge, heroes don't throw Splinter on minions. I was under the impression that they did, but if not, you could always micro it or not use the build. If you want [[Visions of Regret] and you're in Nightfall, you could always take Odurra since she has it and use another hero.

HigherMinion

HigherMinion

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2008

East Anglia, UK

Order of [Thay]

N/

AoE interrupts and godly energy management ftw on Gwen, really. Tease is a great option for a hero's elite. When running a physical team you could give her 12 smiting and stick SoH; she can maintain well.

Tenebrae

Tenebrae

Forge Runner

Join Date: Feb 2007

Spain

LHV

R/N

Im currently using this on Gwen http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Me/M...vE_Interrupter . I alter that version dependin on the zone im in by switching to Power return ( interrupt machine ) instead 1 and using 5, 7 and 8 slots to diff utilities like some hex removal , ench removal or secondary P for fast Res .

saitou

saitou

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

E/

This is what I use on Gwen. It has great energy management, damage and utility, and the hero AI really uses it well. You can use Artificer's Insignia to get +9 armor too.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:PvXConvert?title=Special%3APvXconvert&wpBu ild={{attributes+|+Me|+A%0D%0A++|+Domin+|+12+%2B+2 +%2B+1%0D%0A++|+Deadl+|+9+|+Fast+|+8%2B1+|+Inspi+| +5%2B1%0D%0A}}%0D%0A{{skill+bar|Power+Spike|Shatte r+Enchantment|Unnatural+Signet|Signet+of+Disruptio n|Empathy|Assassin's+Promise|Ether+Feast|Resurrect ion+Signet}}&wpName=&Go=Submit+Query

Giant with Spear

Giant with Spear

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

Netherlands

Face of Dragon

N/A

those builds u guys send me, do they co-op well with 1 necro MM and 1 necro healer?

Giant with Spear

Giant with Spear

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

Netherlands

Face of Dragon

N/A

Going to try almost every build u guys posted here out ;D we'll see who wins, with best build xD

Arrogant Bastard

Arrogant Bastard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2009

Your mom's house

E/

Replace your necro healer with ER ele.

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

P/

SS is basically the perfect role for you since you can cast it on good targets and change priority. Otherwise if you run with more physicals you can run the n/a promise nuker build. Mark of pain with vanguard sin etc.

Giant with Spear

Giant with Spear

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

Netherlands

Face of Dragon

N/A

'hmm okay ;D also thought that SS build would be best of all ;D U guys know maybe something better than VoR with the ER and the AotL MM?? something that WORKS better than VoR (doesnt need to be mesmer). And ER protter/healer/ ?? pls be specific ;D

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Giant with Spear View Post
ER ele is better then a IV necro?? I'll try it out

SO now I got:
AotL MM
ER Healer
and Gwen as interrupter

I;m a necro as u know xD You guys know something else to do then SS, since its getting a bit boring ;D?
IV vs ER isn't even fair. IV is so completely useless it's stupid to try and compare the two.

I strongly recommend a support elite over AotL for the MM. Bone Minions get summoned pretty quickly anyway and the +1 to Death Magic isn't very meaningful.
The ER can't really take much in the way of hex or condition removal. I'm fond of Divert Hexes or Empathic for this purpose. Plus that way you can bring a second copy of Prot Spirit and Aegis.

I would say Gwen's elite and build depended a lot more on the area. I haven't really ever bothered with hero Mesmers, but they should do fine, some of their elites look quite nice.


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With Masochism, you can get 11 minions instead of just 10. Meaningful? Maybe, maybe not. Divert hexes... just seems so situational. I take convert hexes on the ER, which is almost always good enough.

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Originally Posted by Giant with Spear View Post
And ER protter/healer/ ?? pls be specific ;D When we say "ER Ele", we refer to an Elementalist who uses Ether Renewal to power the strong prots and heals from the monk lines.
Typically, a hero bar consists of:

Ether Renewal
Aura of Restoration
Infuse Health
Prot Spirit
Spirit Bond

After that it's down to personal taste. A second and possibly a 3rd heal is usually good - Patient Spirit and Dwayna's Kiss are nice. I've seen some take Vigorous Spirit too.
Aegis is nice and you can get Aegis chains if more than one hero has it.
You can also go with something like Reverse Hex or possibly Shield Guardian.

The biggest downside to the build is ER being stripped, but then the hero is just as useless as any other hero healer/protter.

asb

asb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Europe

Me/

If I'm playing in HM areas to help friends vq or just kill some time, I use Gwen as tank with the following build:

Power Return
Tease
Cry of Frustration
Frigid Armor
Whirlwind
Teinai's Wind
*Optional
Resurrection Signet

11 Inspiration Magic, 10 Fast Casting, 10 Water Magic

*Glyph of Lesser Energy/Power Drain/ Elemental Resistance/ Physical Resistance/ect.

She's got Blessed Armor and a Shield/Caster Sword. Of course it's not meta or uber effective, but she get's the job done(good aggro cause of the low base AL), and it's fun watching the build work.

AtomicMew

AtomicMew

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Apr 2005

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by Xenomortis View Post
IV vs ER isn't even fair. IV is so completely useless it's stupid to try and compare the two.

I strongly recommend a support elite over AotL for the MM. Bone Minions get summoned pretty quickly anyway and the +1 to Death Magic isn't very meaningful.
Ether Renewal
Aura of Restoration
Infuse Health
Prot Spirit
Spirit Bond

After that it's down to personal taste. A second and possibly a 3rd heal is usually good - Patient Spirit and Dwayna's Kiss are nice. I've seen some take Vigorous Spirit too.
Aegis is nice and you can get Aegis chains if more than one hero has it.
You can also go with something like Reverse Hex or possibly Shield Guardian.

The biggest downside to the build is ER being stripped, but then the hero is just as useless as any other hero healer/protter. Infuse is also optional IMO. I just hate how it interacts with hench healers, or god forbid, another ER/infuse. Any problem that can be solved with infuse can also be solved with smart, pro-active protting. Personally, I take an ER/prot/smite. Smite also does big damages in places with lots of undead, like SoO.

MercenaryKnight

MercenaryKnight

Forge Runner

Join Date: May 2006

Wolf of Shadows [WoS]

P/

It seems like when I run an ER hero with protection spells+ infuse/ heal other that they spend more time waiting for heal other to recharge than to cast protective spirit/ spirit bond etc.

I just can't seem to get the ER ele hero to play it really effectively. I see better outcomes from my n/rt unfortunately.

Arrogant Bastard

Arrogant Bastard

Lion's Arch Merchant

Join Date: Aug 2009

Your mom's house

E/

I use this setup on my ER hero with my Warrior:
http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Pv...Sub mit+Query

No problems so far and if I h/h I only need 1 additional healer henchmen in HM to backup.

I test my heros in Tahnnaki Temple HM. If I switch out the ER hero for a Necro Healer, I need to bring an additional 1-2 healing henchmen.

asb

asb

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Apr 2008

Europe

Me/

Quote:
Originally Posted by saitou View Post
I tried it out and it's pretty cool, thanks! I have a question about the weapons though. If the shield requires an attribute you don't have, like Strength or Tactics, does it do any good in terms of armor? Also for the sword I guess you just have that for energy and/or health and not for damage? If you don't meet the attribute requirement of a shield, you only receive half the armor bonus, but it's still +8. The sword on her has two reasons: With a staff/wand there would be a higher chance of her pulling the mobs to the rest of the party, as to the ranged attacks. She engages the mob directly in melee instead of wanding, and then running in for whirl/tenais wind. And since I'm using her as a substitute tank she can also trigger hex spells like barbs/MoP or splinter weapon. She ideally wields a sword(can be an axe, too) of Defense or Shelter, depending on what I have available. Most of the times it's a sword of enchanting, simply because if have so many :P. The inherent mod isn't that important, as long as it's not reducing her armor while attacking. Her energy management should be no problem at all, but +5 energy on a sword certainly wont hurt.

Be aware that this build is counterproductive to reactive hexes, which rely on the enemy attacking(SS/SV/Empathy, ect). The enemy will get interrupted and knocked down constantly. If you have a rit hero, make sure to try out a communing build with earthbind.

Giant with Spear

Giant with Spear

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

Netherlands

Face of Dragon

N/A

Quote:
Originally Posted by asb
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If you don't meet the attribute requirement of a shield, you only receive half the armor bonus, but it's still +8. The sword on her has two reasons: With a staff/wand there would be a higher chance of her pulling the mobs to the rest of the party, as to the ranged attacks. She engages the mob directly in melee instead of wanding, and then running in for whirl/tenais wind. And since I'm using her as a substitute tank she can also trigger hex spells like barbs/MoP or splinter weapon. She ideally wields a sword(can be an axe, too) of Defense or Shelter, depending on what I have available. Most of the times it's a sword of enchanting, simply because if have so many :P. The inherent mod isn't that important, as long as it's not reducing her armor while attacking. Her energy management should be no problem at all, but +5 energy on a sword certainly wont hurt.

Be aware that this build is counterproductive to reactive hexes, which rely on the enemy attacking(SS/SV/Empathy, ect). The enemy will get interrupted and knocked down constantly. If you have a rit hero, make sure to try out a communing build with earthbind. This all sounds good but, i have ONE question. A mesmer doesnt have much armor, wouldnt gwenn will be killed by instant?? And can u give a direction of the skills from the Earthbind build

Just use an common SoS build? or more go for healing build? or weapon support

Giant with Spear

Giant with Spear

Ascalonian Squire

Join Date: Dec 2009

Netherlands

Face of Dragon

N/A

Would powerblock maybe help on gwen? or is that elite only good in pvp ;d?
Powerblock is probably the best single target interrupt you can give a hero. That way, when facing nasty elementalists it doesn't matter which skill they interrupt, they'll probably disable the nasty nuke for long enough. The same can go for enemy monks with heals or prots.
It's still only single target and you depend on them getting the right target.


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Originally Posted by Xenomortis View Post
I haven't really ever bothered with hero Mesmers, but they should do fine, some of their elites look quite nice. On reflection, only Air of Disenchantment attracts me. Even then, I'm stuck carving a build out of mesmer skills (Clumsiness is nearly nice and there are a few interrupts that will do). Or I just replace the elite of one of my other heroes with AoD.
But even that one skill, I can only think of one real use for.

upier

upier

Grotto Attendant

Join Date: Mar 2006

Done.

[JUNK]

AoD is nice but it probably won't have much point if you are playing a caster. The point of AoD is to mess with stuff like Critical Defences, or Aegis and other stuff that would prevent you from hitting hard. There is RARELY the need for something like that as a caster.

Xenomortis

Xenomortis

Tea Powered

Join Date: May 2008

UK

N/

Quote:
Originally Posted by Giant with Spear View Post
since u will spend 12 points on illusion magic.... how will the rest be? u ''need'' fast casting, but how will u have good energy management? U'd need inspiritation xD?
so u will spend all points on 4 different ''things'', too bad AoD isnt Domination Magic
12 points is unnecessary. I don't like the wording on AoD, but you get diminishing returns on it with higher investments.


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Originally Posted by upier View Post
AoD is nice but it probably won't have much point if you are playing a caster. The point of AoD is to mess with stuff like Critical Defences, or Aegis and other stuff that would prevent you from hitting hard. There is RARELY the need for something like that as a caster. Indeed. Slaver's mobs are really the only thing I can think of. They can stack up an annoying number of prots pretty quickly.

The Josip

The Josip

Wilds Pathfinder

Join Date: Aug 2009

Me/

My Gwen currently uses this:

AP
CoFrustration
Empathy
Energy Burn
Power Spike
Power Drain
Unnatural Signet
Wastrel's Demise


I avoided so far skills such as Power Block and Mistrust because they seem to interfere with other interrupts. That is, often Power Block will 'disable' Power Spike or Power Drain, thus cutting damage or energy. Mistrust I think is also unpredictable because hero might interrupt the foe with Mistrust on, and Mistrust won't activate. She won't always cast AP, but overall, it seems more useful than other alternatives. I tried Tease and weird enough, energy gain from Tease was very unpredictable, and that setup ended with Gwen having not enough energy and having often skills recharging for a while. I suppose with Eve energy problem would be gone but skill recharge would still be there.

DigitalFear

DigitalFear

Jungle Guide

Join Date: Jul 2009

My mother's basement.

Me/

I use Gwen all the time. >.>

Arcane Echo
Ray of Judgment
SoH
Smite Condition
Smite Hex
Pdrain
Waste Not, Want Not
Optional, a res or Smite Hex for example.

Smite 12.
Fast Casting 8.
Inspiration 10.