Finally beating the nerfs :)

Sigh, people using SF calling themselves "pro" is an oxymoron. Bad troll is bad. Why don't you go solo 4h eh? Why didn't you get 7min uwsc prenerf, and 23 post? Why can't you get 11/12 minute fow? Or 15 min urgoz? Or 32 min doa?

Sigh, people using SF calling themselves "pro" is an oxymoron. /signed

using overpowered build is different do be pro , a pro is one who could kill mallyx using only flare imho

There is a difference between using SF to kill a group of raptors, and using SF to solo 4H.

I am not taking SF, and using it to make a hard task easy. I am taking SF and making an impossible task doable. QQ all you like, this is not easy, it does take skill, and until you do it nobody with any sense can have respect for your comments (read: troll attempts).

This is not a thread to flame SF or anything else. It is to try and get people interested in UW again, and to push the boundries of what is currently possible. If you think your post is going to provoke a flamewar please refrain from posting it. I love all these posts and I have never been in favor of nerfing SF for the sole reason that it is one way for players to get enjoyment out of a dying game. By nerfing SF it isn't going to revitalize the game as far as I am concerned. SF is not a mandatory skill to complete an area. There are still plenty of PUG or guilds that run balanced builds. I understand that people are upset that these players are blazing through areas that were never meant to be done that fast, but oh well. People adapt and overcome. I would like to see A-net spend some time on new content that could be "elite" and not have the problems that these areas have and help everyone rather than nerfing the skills. For some the only challenge left is seeing how fast they can do an area. Not my style of play but I guess who am I to judge how people play or get enjoyment from the game. I could go on but I am tired. It will be interesting to see what happens. I will continue to play no matter what just my opinion.

Ummm you do realise you just posted a video of me on sin doing 4H before the nerf lol? ^^ LOLOLOL. Epic fail attempt at dissing someone.

I like the enthusiasm! The vid is fun to watch also. I didn't understand the topic at first (the nerfs havn't happened yet) but I'm pretty sure you are referring to the changes to plains with the skeletons. I think it's great that you spent time showing that that 4h can be (tenuously) soloed.

It would be really cool if there were others working on improving a speed clear. Particularly if it were not just the same splits and similar builds to DayWay. We really haven't had a quick smooth run in all areas yet but I'm thinking it will probably be around the 20min mark if all the areas go well. (maybe /age 19) It would be great to see some other teams come up with maybe some different splits although soloing 4h might be hard to include in a fast run.

Many of us are actually looking forward to a skill change. I'm just hoping it wont be a monthly nerf defeating any work done on new clears. Many have already started testing different options and of course oby flesh is the closest to just using SF but i'm sure they will get around to nerfing that too. I'm actually a little hesitant to mention some things as i don't want to waste time (or anyone else's time) working on something only to have it nerfed soon after. Yes, I very much doubt that solo 4H has any use in 8-man runs, due to the time it takes to set up. It is just for fun and a challenge I would put the absolute limit on solo 4H as being probably 11-12min (this is optimistic ^^).