Ok, I see people selling these Wintersday Gifts for 500gp each, but you can only get maybe 150-300gp worth of items from each... and from what I know they don't give points to any title, and there isn't a rare item you can retrieve from them, so why would anyone want to buy them for that much? ...or at all?
I know people are selling Candy Cane Shards for 100gp each (making 500gp for a gift) but that's just as messed up because it goes back to the same fallacy that it really isn't worth that...
Do these people not realize this or is there something I am missing?
Can someone explain to me about Wintersday Gifts
Necrus (Kliffington)
a-kyle
have never ever looked to see the items that come in a gift?
rainbow candy canes, winter green candy canes even peppermint - good bye death penalty....not to mention those three candy canes in stacks are worth ALOT
250 cc's = 20k
whats sad is I saw some one selling 2 stacks of ccs for 20k when thats 40 k
rainbow candy canes, winter green candy canes even peppermint - good bye death penalty....not to mention those three candy canes in stacks are worth ALOT
250 cc's = 20k
whats sad is I saw some one selling 2 stacks of ccs for 20k when thats 40 k
Necrus (Kliffington)
Aw come on, don't try to comfort your own insecurities by trying to insult me
What seems to work for most people is that you have to first accept that you feel that way about yourself, then find evidence to say otherwise, like reflect back on your achievements and you can convince yourself that you really aren't what you thought and you are actually a very intelligent person. I don't mind though, it's just you have to respect yourself before you can respect others
Anyway though, wouldn't be it easier to just buy the Candy Canes that recover DP instead of the Gifts, those Candy Canes can't be worth more than 500gp... and if they are I guess I could see the appeal for the Gifts but the odds of getting the Candy Canes in a gift rather than some Eggnog would seem worth it just to buy the Candy Canes in general and prehaps save money in the end
What seems to work for most people is that you have to first accept that you feel that way about yourself, then find evidence to say otherwise, like reflect back on your achievements and you can convince yourself that you really aren't what you thought and you are actually a very intelligent person. I don't mind though, it's just you have to respect yourself before you can respect others
Anyway though, wouldn't be it easier to just buy the Candy Canes that recover DP instead of the Gifts, those Candy Canes can't be worth more than 500gp... and if they are I guess I could see the appeal for the Gifts but the odds of getting the Candy Canes in a gift rather than some Eggnog would seem worth it just to buy the Candy Canes in general and prehaps save money in the end
chadS
You can also get doubles from 1 gift.
Necrus (Kliffington)
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You can also get doubles from 1 gift.
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But two Snowman Summoners are like 200gp, same with Fruitcakes
I guess I was never any good with math but it just doesn't seem like a very good idea to me, like, if I wanted a stack of Fruitcakes then why not just buy a stack of Fruitcakes instead of buying a stack of Wintersday Gifts and getting a random amount of random items
animal fighter
the problem is that candy cane don't do anything and the gift give item but the item worth less than the gift.
i sell candy cane shard at 100g and buy item with mo0ney then resell and buy animal pets
i sell candy cane shard at 100g and buy item with mo0ney then resell and buy animal pets
shoyon456
It's inflation caused by greed in a capitalist system.
It's more cost effective for the buyer to buy what kind of items they want individually, but there are people out there who want the most money they can get and stupid people who will shell out the money for a random chance game.
It's more cost effective for the buyer to buy what kind of items they want individually, but there are people out there who want the most money they can get and stupid people who will shell out the money for a random chance game.
Andemius
1. Some ppl are just thick and get ripped off
2. Some ppl will pay huge amounts of cash for title points
3. Some ppl have never seen Wintersday before and want to try everything and hve no idea of real value.
It's just greedy ppl trying to make qucik cash off ppl who are iether lazy (and rich) or stupid.
2. Some ppl will pay huge amounts of cash for title points
3. Some ppl have never seen Wintersday before and want to try everything and hve no idea of real value.
It's just greedy ppl trying to make qucik cash off ppl who are iether lazy (and rich) or stupid.
DRGN
The question is; are people actually BUYING at those prices? Just because people are selling at ridiculous levels doesn't mean people are paying it.
Necrus (Kliffington)
Good points, I figured it was just some a-holes ripping people off intentionally...
Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something, but it's just as it appears
Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something, but it's just as it appears
Press_ALT_F4
This is so simple its stupid. Wintersday gifts are 500g each for a reason.
5 ccs = 1 gift
1 ccs = 100g
therefore 5 ccs = 500g= 1 gift
you take something useless (ccs) and make it into something useful (gift)
The cost of an input defines the price of the output, it is not greedy to sell a gift for 500g when it equals the price of the inputs (ccs) why sell a gift for 400g when it cost 500g to make? So the answer is simple, convince EVERYONE to sell ccs for less. People will not sell less when there is a demand for ccs at 100g. If you can some how make everyone sell for less (hmmm, sounds like communist ideals doesn't it) then the price would obviously go down. Price is set at by a simple supply and demand basis when looking at a scarce resource.
5 ccs = 1 gift
1 ccs = 100g
therefore 5 ccs = 500g= 1 gift
you take something useless (ccs) and make it into something useful (gift)
The cost of an input defines the price of the output, it is not greedy to sell a gift for 500g when it equals the price of the inputs (ccs) why sell a gift for 400g when it cost 500g to make? So the answer is simple, convince EVERYONE to sell ccs for less. People will not sell less when there is a demand for ccs at 100g. If you can some how make everyone sell for less (hmmm, sounds like communist ideals doesn't it) then the price would obviously go down. Price is set at by a simple supply and demand basis when looking at a scarce resource.
Dzjudz
... but why are ccs then 100g and not 50g (or any other amount)?? Reread the OP ALT F4, specifically the second paragraph about the same fallacy.
Necrus (Kliffington)
Yeah, I mean, in the end you are just paying for more than you need to
The Weasels
i just like opening presents, makes me feel all festive.
Windf0rce
It's not worth paying 100 gold per shard or 500 per gift. It is better to simply buy any Party/Sweet/Drunk items you want directly instead of shards or gifts. People buying at these prices are usually clueless or simply so rich they don't bother.
Gifts suck mostly because of the DP removal items... I have 750+ Green Canes and 250+ Peppermint Canes, and there's no way I'll manage to use them (must have DP to). Not to brag, but I hardly ever die anymore unless my team is joking or doing something really stupid. For the same reasons, these items just don't seem to sell well.
Gifts of the Traveler are similar in that they are expensive (~4.5K) and the items coming out of it, in average, will be worth way less than that, unless you are extremely lucky and score something like a Mini Gwen Chan (which is so unlikely that selling all gifts and buying the Mini is usually the most guaranteed approach).
Gifts suck mostly because of the DP removal items... I have 750+ Green Canes and 250+ Peppermint Canes, and there's no way I'll manage to use them (must have DP to). Not to brag, but I hardly ever die anymore unless my team is joking or doing something really stupid. For the same reasons, these items just don't seem to sell well.
Gifts of the Traveler are similar in that they are expensive (~4.5K) and the items coming out of it, in average, will be worth way less than that, unless you are extremely lucky and score something like a Mini Gwen Chan (which is so unlikely that selling all gifts and buying the Mini is usually the most guaranteed approach).
karlik
I use the pepermint sticks, but they aren't worth 500 gold. Odds are you'll just get a snowman or a reg eggnog. I don't see the gifts worth more than 150 to maybe 200.
Tullzinski
Opening (double-clicking) a wintersday gift randomly yields one of the following:
Item (Amount) Title Points1 Chance2
Eggnog (2) Level 1 Intoxication 15 %
Fruitcake (2) 1 Sweetness Point 15 %
Snowman Summoner (2) 1 Festive Point 15 %
Peppermint Candy Cane 2 Sweetness Points 10 %
Rainbow Candy Cane 1 Sweetness Point 10 %
Spiked Eggnog (2) Level 5 intoxication 10 %
Wintergreen CC (2) 1 Sweetness Point 10 %
Yuletide Tonic 2 Festive Points 10 %
Candy Cane Shard (10) 5 %
It may even out in the end due to the 5% chance of getting more candy cane shards and more presents. From a stack of presents you can average another 125 shards (25 additional presents). Spiked nogs also help some.
People need to make sure they are not getting a Winter Gift (from Scrappy Jim) when buying stacks of presents those have a completly different award schedule:
Item Title Points1 Chance
Eggnog Level 1 Intoxication 25%
Snowman Summoner 1 Festive Point 25%
Peppermint CC 2 Sweetness Points 20%
Spiked Eggnog Level 5 intoxication 25%
Candy Cane Shard 5%
If you get scammed into getting those at 500 gp a shot you will get screwed.
Item (Amount) Title Points1 Chance2
Eggnog (2) Level 1 Intoxication 15 %
Fruitcake (2) 1 Sweetness Point 15 %
Snowman Summoner (2) 1 Festive Point 15 %
Peppermint Candy Cane 2 Sweetness Points 10 %
Rainbow Candy Cane 1 Sweetness Point 10 %
Spiked Eggnog (2) Level 5 intoxication 10 %
Wintergreen CC (2) 1 Sweetness Point 10 %
Yuletide Tonic 2 Festive Points 10 %
Candy Cane Shard (10) 5 %
It may even out in the end due to the 5% chance of getting more candy cane shards and more presents. From a stack of presents you can average another 125 shards (25 additional presents). Spiked nogs also help some.
People need to make sure they are not getting a Winter Gift (from Scrappy Jim) when buying stacks of presents those have a completly different award schedule:
Item Title Points1 Chance
Eggnog Level 1 Intoxication 25%
Snowman Summoner 1 Festive Point 25%
Peppermint CC 2 Sweetness Points 20%
Spiked Eggnog Level 5 intoxication 25%
Candy Cane Shard 5%
If you get scammed into getting those at 500 gp a shot you will get screwed.
AngelWJedi
lols. you say 500g is to much wait until say march and try to buy some then. and yes 500g is the average price for gifts and 100g for shards. their is only 3 ways to get shards and 2 for gifts. shards dont drop much and maybe if your lucky you will get more then 10 in the rift warden quests. and only 10 per round in the one eotn quest. but in the end if you dont like it dont buy them at those prices. but dont pout if no will sell you them for the 50g/100g prices you want too.
Operative 14
How else will you get these things?
You either pay in time (farming the items, CC shards, or both) or you pay in money. Sure, the items that you get from the gifts are only worth 300g at the most, but the extra 200g per gift is compensation for the time it takes to farm them. It's also paying for the convenience of getting all those items at once instead of slowly trickling in as you farm them.
It's partly greed, yes, but it is also an expression of the market. You're not just paying for the items you *might* get from the gifts, you're also paying for someone elses time to get them. If you could sell the gifts at only exactly the price of the items you can get from each gift, why would the farmer want to sell the Shards? In that case it would be better to try their luck, get the items, and sell the excess they don't want or need. The market isn't designed to cheat the consumers (to a great extent <_<), it's just balancing the effort to get a stack from the farmers perspective with the ease the consumer gets from buying the stack.
There are two parties in the trade, not just one.
Not to mention the fact that the gift giver will only be there for a few more days, and at this point, after all the Caromi scalps and Decayed Orr Emblems are gone, it's the best and only way to get the limited time festival items.
You either pay in time (farming the items, CC shards, or both) or you pay in money. Sure, the items that you get from the gifts are only worth 300g at the most, but the extra 200g per gift is compensation for the time it takes to farm them. It's also paying for the convenience of getting all those items at once instead of slowly trickling in as you farm them.
It's partly greed, yes, but it is also an expression of the market. You're not just paying for the items you *might* get from the gifts, you're also paying for someone elses time to get them. If you could sell the gifts at only exactly the price of the items you can get from each gift, why would the farmer want to sell the Shards? In that case it would be better to try their luck, get the items, and sell the excess they don't want or need. The market isn't designed to cheat the consumers (to a great extent <_<), it's just balancing the effort to get a stack from the farmers perspective with the ease the consumer gets from buying the stack.
There are two parties in the trade, not just one.
Not to mention the fact that the gift giver will only be there for a few more days, and at this point, after all the Caromi scalps and Decayed Orr Emblems are gone, it's the best and only way to get the limited time festival items.
Dzjudz
You say the extra 200g is 'compensation' for the farmer for the time spent farming. Then who in their right mind would buy the shards/gifts at the cost of 66% price increase when you can just buy the title items directly without this 'compensation' cost?
Malice Black
The gift items go up price after wintersday. Back before cons were added you could get 1k per candy cane.
Granted with con sets that won't happen now, but they'll still be more valuable a few months from now. Clever people will stock up stacks of them and sell for profit.
Granted with con sets that won't happen now, but they'll still be more valuable a few months from now. Clever people will stock up stacks of them and sell for profit.
Daesu
To be honest, you may not be able to sell them at 500g per gift even after wintersday.
Here is an auction result from guru auction site for 80 wintersday gifts and they sold at 16k, which is 200g per gift.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...ion_id=1692991
Here is an auction result from guru auction site for 80 wintersday gifts and they sold at 16k, which is 200g per gift.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/auction...ion_id=1692991
Martin Alvito
The best price I was able to pull for a stack of Wintersday Gifts in September was under 300g/per.
The price will decline, because the contents just aren't that valuable any more. There isn't any good reason to pay 500g/gift now, and that isn't likely to change in the future. The price of booze would have to increase by leaps and bounds to justify the current "prices" advertised in-game.
The price will decline, because the contents just aren't that valuable any more. There isn't any good reason to pay 500g/gift now, and that isn't likely to change in the future. The price of booze would have to increase by leaps and bounds to justify the current "prices" advertised in-game.
King_GhOsT
they sell for 500g because people are willing to pay 500g for them, why not selling everything you have for the price people are willing to pay and not the price it "should be".
If your trying to sell you house and somebody offers you more for it, your obviously going to accept that offer
its just the way the world works
If your trying to sell you house and somebody offers you more for it, your obviously going to accept that offer
its just the way the world works
Daesu
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they sell for 500g because people are willing to pay 500g for them, why not selling everything you have for the price people are willing to pay and not the price it "should be".
If your trying to sell you house and somebody offers you more for it, your obviously going to accept that offer its just the way the world works |
King_GhOsT
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At least in the guru auction site, it seems impossible to sell them at 500g/gift even after wintersday.
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Axeman002
nicholas the traveller in pre and post has damaged the sweet/party/drunk prices i reckon
HawkofStorms
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nicholas the traveller in pre and post has damaged the sweet/party/drunk prices i reckon
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But yeah, prices have always been out of whack for the chance to open stuff from a purely mathematical chance. Like the z-keys for 4-5k, lunar fortunes, etc etc etc
Oh, and what the guy meant when he said "you have a chance to double" was that sometimes you can get 10 CC shards from a present that cost you 5 CC shards (and thus, in essence, go back to the trader and get 2 presents for the price of 1).
rkubik
I guess what does it matter to you what people price stuff out as. If someone buys it then the price was right for that person. If not no one will buy it and they will either sit on their inventory or have to lower lower price to sell. Just like anything else in the game people can set their own prices on anything.
Operative 14
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You say the extra 200g is 'compensation' for the farmer for the time spent farming. Then who in their right mind would buy the shards/gifts at the cost of 66% price increase when you can just buy the title items directly without this 'compensation' cost?
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