I've tried several times to get into teams, but all are like: rank 3+ etc... Why is this anyway? Would be the same if I ask for master Jennur's Horde HM: only Protector of Elona people allowed.
Also, I've tried to join a HA guild but they're the same like parties, they want specific ranks.
Why is this? And is there a way I can still get into good teams without needing a certain rank?
Heroes Ascent
ThomOfDeath
Zinger314
Elitism *still* exists?
iTzF3aR
The question is: why are you even trying to HA ? :\
YunSooJin
ITT: more QQ about 'elitism' from scrubs who can't figure out how to crack the pvp nut, cause all the pvp'ers must've had it EZ too, amirite?
edit: more like, WBITT (will be). lawlz.
edit: more like, WBITT (will be). lawlz.
Selket
So you're trying to get into a good team without being good?
Let me know when you figure out what's wrong with that.
Let me know when you figure out what's wrong with that.
iTzF3aR
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ITT: more QQ about 'elitism' from scrubs who can't figure out how to crack the pvp nut, cause all the pvp'ers must've had it EZ too, amirite?
edit: more like, WBITT (will be). lawlz. |
Martin Alvito
The reason elitism exists is that you suck.
OK, now that I have your attention: the problem is that if you haven't played HA, you're a liability to any team. You can't possibly perform your assigned task successfully. You don't know the maps, the victory conditions, or what to expect from opposing teams and how to counter it.
Excluding you because you lack rank is simply a way of avoiding the cost of teaching you the most basic things about HA. If you don't have any rank, it's overwhelmingly likely that you're going to be terrible, and a single bad player will ruin any HA team.
Higher ranked players tend to be better; it is far from a one-to-one correspondence, but rejecting players without rank will improve the odds of getting someone competent.
Your best bet is to play with some bad teams and lose a lot in order to learn the earlier maps, then find someone willing to teach you the ropes. Players and teams willing to teach are getting harder to find, because the community is small. Your best bet is to get extremely good at something else and network. Once you meet good HA players and demonstrate that you can do something else exceptionally well, one of them is likely to be willing to teach you what you need to know. Most players lack the work ethic, drive and attitude to succeed. Proving that you have that attitude will greatly improve your odds of finding someone willing to take a chance on you.
OK, now that I have your attention: the problem is that if you haven't played HA, you're a liability to any team. You can't possibly perform your assigned task successfully. You don't know the maps, the victory conditions, or what to expect from opposing teams and how to counter it.
Excluding you because you lack rank is simply a way of avoiding the cost of teaching you the most basic things about HA. If you don't have any rank, it's overwhelmingly likely that you're going to be terrible, and a single bad player will ruin any HA team.
Higher ranked players tend to be better; it is far from a one-to-one correspondence, but rejecting players without rank will improve the odds of getting someone competent.
Your best bet is to play with some bad teams and lose a lot in order to learn the earlier maps, then find someone willing to teach you the ropes. Players and teams willing to teach are getting harder to find, because the community is small. Your best bet is to get extremely good at something else and network. Once you meet good HA players and demonstrate that you can do something else exceptionally well, one of them is likely to be willing to teach you what you need to know. Most players lack the work ethic, drive and attitude to succeed. Proving that you have that attitude will greatly improve your odds of finding someone willing to take a chance on you.
Shadowspawn X
No HA rank means one of two things.
1) You don't play HA much
2) You play HA and lose a lot
neither one of these characteristics are desirable.
1) You don't play HA much
2) You play HA and lose a lot
neither one of these characteristics are desirable.
Winterclaw
Your best option is to either have a friend who HAs a lot or get a group of newbies together. I'm surprised there aren't guilds that teach people to HA.
Axeman002
i got 22 fame and that was from from a double fame weekend........thats how much i love PvP....its life or death in that place...if people lose, then the worlds gonna end because of you.
some PVE groups are like this but not 90% as bad...so for this i stay away from PvP lol
dont stray to the Elitists side...stay pve!
some PVE groups are like this but not 90% as bad...so for this i stay away from PvP lol
dont stray to the Elitists side...stay pve!
Anarion Silverhand
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So you're trying to get into a good team without being good?
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I seem to recall something called fame farming services, explain to me how a player who's bought his or her fame is considered "good".
Martin Alvito
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I'm surprised there aren't guilds that teach people to HA.
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There aren't a lot of other competent groups left. Casual HA play is more or less dead.
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I've played with plenty of people with rank 3 who were terrible players.
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I would imagine that by now there are probably a few rank 12 players that are bad. Anything above that, and you have to be good and play a lot.
nologic
Titles for PvP are more or less pretty bad i have r1 would do it more and learn it but doesnt feel right when they are just asking for titles.
You cant be good at the first time you enter it am i right you still need to practice find a nice composition with players who knows your playing style.
You cant be good at the first time you enter it am i right you still need to practice find a nice composition with players who knows your playing style.
Missmelady
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Err HA is dead. I liked it better when I at least could go in with a decent team and not get facerolled by an R/A class because anet doesn't know how to balance the game.
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Selket
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Since when did rank always mean being good? Rank is a marker of skill, but not 100% of the time. I've played with plenty of people with rank 3 who were terrible players.
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Anarion Silverhand
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They're bad too, I never said they weren't.
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The Arching Healer
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Err HA is dead. I liked it better when I at least could go in with a decent team and not get facerolled by an R/A class because anet doesn't know how to balance the game.
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ousbique
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I would imagine that by now there are probably a few rank 12 players that are bad. Anything above that, and you have to be good and play a lot.
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Rank is only a meaning of time spend in HA, the more you play (whatever the wikibuild you usually run), the more you will get HA pugs
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HellScreamS
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No HA rank means one of two things.
1) You don't play HA much 2) You play HA and lose a lot neither one of these characteristics are desirable. |
lishi
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3) you just started getting into PvP. So, Fail ^
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not really
Angelina Collins
they should get rid of HA, and sell emotes, just like they sell everything else.
Example: Deer= $1.99 Wolf= $4.99 Tiger= $6.99 Phoenix= $8.99 Dragon= $12.99, or buy them all for $19.99 Them the problem will be solved, hell sell them and keep HA, most people only play for fame and emotes anyway.
Example: Deer= $1.99 Wolf= $4.99 Tiger= $6.99 Phoenix= $8.99 Dragon= $12.99, or buy them all for $19.99 Them the problem will be solved, hell sell them and keep HA, most people only play for fame and emotes anyway.
MMSDome
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Elitism *still* exists?
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People don't want to wait around and lose because some person on their team has no idea what they are doing.
Rank discrimination makes sense if you want to make progress and actually win halls. If you had a higher rank you would understand.
Your best bet is to make friends that do HA a lot. I get invited to HA some times (I decline a lot) by r9+ groups because I have friends that are on that level. I just make sure not to say anything regarding my rank and button my lips up on vent to make sure I don't say anything retarded. Make sure to communicate during games though!
Martin Alvito
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Rank is only a meaning of time spend in HA
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You're correct that you can free ride on teammate skill in an easy slot like E/P Savannah, where lack of personal skill is less likely to impact team success. However, to get to play that easy slot in a good team, you typically have to be a good player in your own right. People didn't get to play the Para for [rawr] in a mAT by being bad; it works the same way in HA.
You can't get past r12 without being in teams that can hold Halls for long stretches. If you're bad, eventually they notice and do something about it.
Solas
OP I have the same problem, If you want to try and group up something would could try and get a few more and start there.
If not if your US give Kisu ago, They try and advance player skill in pvp. varying levels.
If your Euro your in a spot of bother my friend, and in the same boat as I.
If not if your US give Kisu ago, They try and advance player skill in pvp. varying levels.
If your Euro your in a spot of bother my friend, and in the same boat as I.
Gift3d
Do you really think some r10+ team who knows EXACTLY what they're doing can just take silly little unranked pvers? you SERIOUSLY think you'd know what you're doing?
fame shows experience, not skill, pve shows time, not skill. since time means nothing, why pve means nothing, but fame shows experience, people want players who know how to play the game and not some guy in vent goin "hey guise roll necros let's make a discordway!!".
that would be sweet, all the shitters grinding sway would be gone and maybe the people who can actually use basic motor skills to play my guild wars would come back and we'd have a grand old time having fun with a video game (who does that?) without lamers ruining it. some people do play for the love of the game ya know, just probably nobody you've seen around in a little bit. you got a /signed from me buddy, having a tiger isn't that cool anyway.
fame shows experience, not skill, pve shows time, not skill. since time means nothing, why pve means nothing, but fame shows experience, people want players who know how to play the game and not some guy in vent goin "hey guise roll necros let's make a discordway!!".
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they should get rid of HA, and sell emotes, just like they sell everything else.
Example: Deer= $1.99 Wolf= $4.99 Tiger= $6.99 Phoenix= $8.99 Dragon= $12.99, or buy them all for $19.99 Them the problem will be solved, hell sell them and keep HA, most people only play for fame and emotes anyway. |
Selket
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No, you implied that if a person does not have a rank - they are not good. Which we established above is not the case.
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If a person has rank and still plays HA, they're not good. If a person didn't get their tiger in 2005, they're not good.
Warvic
People want higher ranks because they want to win and Ranks show experience and mostly skill (Not always, sometimes people used some lameway to get rank up or people bought accounts or people got the rank 3/4 years ago and they suck now)
So what you can do is join a NO RANK guild. Yes they are out there. I have to admit tho, getting rank up from 0-3 is very anoying. I did it with unranked iway's and other lameway's. And don't miss the double fame weekends. When you are r3, you should try to get a r3+ guild. there are more of those. Now you will mostly get better teams and have a higher chance of winning.
So what you can do is join a NO RANK guild. Yes they are out there. I have to admit tho, getting rank up from 0-3 is very anoying. I did it with unranked iway's and other lameway's. And don't miss the double fame weekends. When you are r3, you should try to get a r3+ guild. there are more of those. Now you will mostly get better teams and have a higher chance of winning.
HellScreamS
The problem is ignorance and lack of common-sense. While waiting for an UW guild team, I hopped on to HA inter d1; there I saw a guy shouting "glf r8+ r/a" and also started spamming "r/a lfg", along with some other guys, also spamming "r/a lfg". In 1 hour's time, that guy who wanted a r8+ still didn't leave, we were still there. And the problem comes, even if all the r/a's he would've got were bullshit and made him loss, there was a slight chance he might've won some fame points in that hour when he did nothing. Figure it out for yourself
Zehnchu
This thread is all kinds of fail, 99.9% rank 3+ don't want to admit they suck too. They where on a team of eight to six other sucky people, fighting against another team of eight to six sucky people ridding on the coat tails of some gimikway build flavor of the month.
lishi
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The problem is ignorance and lack of common-sense. While waiting for an UW guild team, I hopped on to HA inter d1; there I saw a guy shouting "glf r8+ r/a" and also started spamming "r/a lfg", along with some other guys, also spamming "r/a lfg". In 1 hour's time, that guy who wanted a r8+ still didn't leave, we were still there. And the problem comes, even if all the r/a's he would've got were bullshit and made him loss, there was a slight chance he might've won some fame points in that hour when he did nothing. Figure it out for yourself
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Before hero (and actually even with hero) i have seen many pve group looking for a last xxx even when there are a lot of others LFGing, you might think this attitude is pvp only but is not.
The truth is that in organized PvP (pretty much HA and GvG) people are very very selective.
Krill
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This thread is all kinds of fail, 99.9% rank 3+ don't want to admit they suck too.
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It may come as a surprise but some people actually do play HA for fun too, but losing generally isn't as fun as winning. Fame is just part of the process.
Lishy
I could understand wanting r3, but what bothers me is the mentality of parties wanting only people r7+
I think by r3 someone knows what they're doing.
I think by r3 someone knows what they're doing.
Shadowspawn X
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I could understand wanting r3, but what bothers me is the mentality of parties wanting only people r7+
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If you pug HA r8 is the point at which you are not considered a n00b.
chaos warrior zane
Would being a ranked gladiator help at all? im almost r4 glad, which takes MUCH longer to get than HA ranks. i wanted to get into HA but because of the elitism BS i havent tried. i figured my hard work in the arenas could help me...
AtomicMew
@PvP players. Yes, defend your titles. Afterall, you do have vested interest in doing so. But you do need to admit that starting out in HA was once MUCH, MUCH easier than it is now.
There are two reasons: 1) Because of maturation, the player base has been whittled down so that the percentage of experienced players and the amount of average experience has gone up dramatically, making it harder for newer players to win.
2) HA is dead. 3-4 districts is the peak, compared to 20+ back in the day. It's often takes +30 min, or more, to even just get a group. Seeing groups recruiting for 1-2 hours is actually not uncommon.
There are two reasons: 1) Because of maturation, the player base has been whittled down so that the percentage of experienced players and the amount of average experience has gone up dramatically, making it harder for newer players to win.
2) HA is dead. 3-4 districts is the peak, compared to 20+ back in the day. It's often takes +30 min, or more, to even just get a group. Seeing groups recruiting for 1-2 hours is actually not uncommon.
UnChosen
I feel for you. Not a real surprise though as many already predicted this would happen a LONG time ago. People just refused to admit that the rank system has flaws and constantly hide behind the "not enough skill balance so people leave" excuse.
The real problem with the rank system is that earlier players got their rank FAR easier than the later player, with no way to actually LOSE rank for losing. Players from 4 years ago had 20+ district player base to form group, and everyone was starting as a newbie so it was easy to surpass the rest and gain fame rapidly. Whereas now new players are stuck with max 4 district player base and constantly getting knocked out by guild groups and REAL skillful ranked groups.
My advice would be just to stay out of that area if your not already ranked...its not worth your effort/time.
What I'm more worried about is that the "must have guild/friend group or stay out" attitude is now spreading to PvE elite areas....
The real problem with the rank system is that earlier players got their rank FAR easier than the later player, with no way to actually LOSE rank for losing. Players from 4 years ago had 20+ district player base to form group, and everyone was starting as a newbie so it was easy to surpass the rest and gain fame rapidly. Whereas now new players are stuck with max 4 district player base and constantly getting knocked out by guild groups and REAL skillful ranked groups.
My advice would be just to stay out of that area if your not already ranked...its not worth your effort/time.
What I'm more worried about is that the "must have guild/friend group or stay out" attitude is now spreading to PvE elite areas....
bitchbar player
posts like this always make me think back to ursan times, how many of you that complain about pvp ranks where asking for norn ranks back then?
Shadowspawn X
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My advice would be just to stay out of that area if your not already ranked...its not worth your effort/time.
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Reflect
rank discrimination is plain stupid....rank DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING(you can easily get r9 by :iway,sway,old rt spike, R-spike,EoE...u can even buy it)..Ppl looking for r9+ ppl are mostly a fail...if u want experienced team, make a guild, make a core team and play with them...its same everywhere in GW..either PvP or PvE -> PUGing is fail
Reflect
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posts like this always make me think back to ursan times, how many of you that complain about pvp ranks where asking for norn ranks back then?
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ah wait...they dont