So after my older threat got closed ( http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/b...t10419562.html ) I would like to post the video of our gvg .
Have fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbt5d68NKbs
As I have said before : I demand a developer answer and the banning of these bots minimum.
(Dear fenix, as I have mentioned in my PM this is a more wider problem than botting in pve so please don't close this one.)
botting in gvg (video)
keli
iTzF3aR
dont forget about those spike bots and infuse bots. :> Just curious, what was the name of the guild that was using the rupt bot ?
Jinkies
Despite the fact that we can't do much about it, I will say that there is indeed a botting program out there to interupt any skill at any time.
I was skeptical at first because I had no idea how a program could do it. A neighbor of mine who also plays GW showed me.
The program modifies the GW.dat file and the graphics dll file then uses an extrenal client which allows you to choose which skills you want to interupt, with which skill on the skillbar, at what time.
By setting the delay factor to 0, with high fast casting, you can virtually interupt any skill - even .25. Most people put a randomized delay factor under 3/4 second to make it look inconspicuous. However, you can easily tell who bots as the bot cannot differentiate between the skills being used and the interupt used to stop it.
In other words the botting program may use P Block on Channeling because it doesnt know what channeling or P block really do. The program can also be used to use certain skills after the target foe uses a certain skill. It doesn't always have to be interupts.
As an example, if the bot sees an enemy warrior comming at you, the bot can use discipline stance immediatly after the warrior starts to use dev hammer.
Note that this bot is highly available and my neighbor showed me how to get it. But also note I highly discourage its use as it is illegal.
Note, the bot is so highly advanced you dont even have to be playing the game for it to automatically use interupts and skills correctly, save for the fact you will not want to be afk since you gotta move and kite.
I was skeptical at first because I had no idea how a program could do it. A neighbor of mine who also plays GW showed me.
The program modifies the GW.dat file and the graphics dll file then uses an extrenal client which allows you to choose which skills you want to interupt, with which skill on the skillbar, at what time.
By setting the delay factor to 0, with high fast casting, you can virtually interupt any skill - even .25. Most people put a randomized delay factor under 3/4 second to make it look inconspicuous. However, you can easily tell who bots as the bot cannot differentiate between the skills being used and the interupt used to stop it.
In other words the botting program may use P Block on Channeling because it doesnt know what channeling or P block really do. The program can also be used to use certain skills after the target foe uses a certain skill. It doesn't always have to be interupts.
As an example, if the bot sees an enemy warrior comming at you, the bot can use discipline stance immediatly after the warrior starts to use dev hammer.
Note that this bot is highly available and my neighbor showed me how to get it. But also note I highly discourage its use as it is illegal.
Note, the bot is so highly advanced you dont even have to be playing the game for it to automatically use interupts and skills correctly, save for the fact you will not want to be afk since you gotta move and kite.
keli
you are right Jinkies, this is how it works, my guild mate is computer scientist who knows the working mechanism of these things
the program which can crack the GW.dat file while it is running is called softICE(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftICE) and is used to calibrate these bots (this program is not only used against Guild Wars)
i remember back then there wAS a guy called pablo, and he said he knew about the security holes of guild wars, maybe this was one of it
the program which can crack the GW.dat file while it is running is called softICE(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SoftICE) and is used to calibrate these bots (this program is not only used against Guild Wars)
i remember back then there wAS a guy called pablo, and he said he knew about the security holes of guild wars, maybe this was one of it
fowlero
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Then you can use scripts to detect pixels in the cast bar, when it registers the one colour you've set, it triggers whatever skill button you have set as your interupt.
There's a huge thread on QQ about it.
Had no idea there's one that actually is a crack?
Missmelady
SEND FING SUPPORT EMAILS TO ANET QQING ABOUT IT ON GURU IS NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING DONE....... I would think even the idiots would know this
keli
and what would happen???
NOTHING AT ALL BECAUSE ARENA NET DOESN'T CARE WITH PVP AT THIS LEVEL.
Bots are known for some time and they are still playing, nothing happened with them.
So We can only achieve something if we bring this topic to one of the biggest forums...
NOTHING AT ALL BECAUSE ARENA NET DOESN'T CARE WITH PVP AT THIS LEVEL.
Bots are known for some time and they are still playing, nothing happened with them.
So We can only achieve something if we bring this topic to one of the biggest forums...
fowlero
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SEND FING SUPPORT EMAILS TO ANET QQING ABOUT IT ON GURU IS NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING DONE....... I would think even the idiots would know this
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I lol'd.
Devastating Flames
you wanna see bots all you have to do is go to bergane hot springs that palce has had bots for many of years and yet still anet has never done anythign to stop them or shoudl i say a strong effort to stop the botting issues even thier
RTSFirebat
If your last thread was closed why not take a hint and not create another one which is likely to be closed?
You're never going to get a response from a developer (never going to happen) or otherwise about this issue. So why cause more aggro? It just makes you look foolish.
You're never going to get a response from a developer (never going to happen) or otherwise about this issue. So why cause more aggro? It just makes you look foolish.
keli
I really don't care with the people here because most of them are ignorants. But I want to continue playing this awesome pvp without bots. So I am trying to drop in everything possible.
gone
the "zoom-out mod" is awesome for PvP as well.
sixdartbart
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I really don't care with the people here because most of them are ignorants. But I want to continue playing this awesome pvp without bots. So I am trying to drop in everything possible.
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The "awesome" PvP in this game has long since passed so you coming here thinking you are super cool or whatever is completely meaningless and the idea of you talking down to people who may or may not have been around {you have no clue} when PvP in GWs was actually competitive makes you sound as foolish as I'm sure you actually are.
I'm not one for generally flaming the morons here even when they deserve it but I've had enough of you so take your pissy little "I'm a super monk" attitude and your QQ fest elsewhere.
It's princesses like you that led me to make GvG setups without monks just so we didn't have to hear the constant crying in our GvGs.
so really just run along now.
You don't care about the people here and we don't give a flying fck about you or your lame cryfest so just GO AWAY now!!!
Wuhy
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You're never going to get a response from a developer (never going to happen) or otherwise about this issue. So why cause more aggro? It just makes you look foolish.
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headlesshobbs
oh boy. Can't we all just.....get along?
*grabs popcorn*
*grabs popcorn*
keli
I am not a super monk. But I know what can be done in this game and what is impossible.
But as you could see in the last thread many people say stupidities like our great event-maker Patrishia. And yes I detest those people who don't even know what I'm talking about but still they give a negative comment. And I am very thankful to those, who don't have an overall knowledge of PvP and don't post in this thread, unlike you.
But as you could see in the last thread many people say stupidities like our great event-maker Patrishia. And yes I detest those people who don't even know what I'm talking about but still they give a negative comment. And I am very thankful to those, who don't have an overall knowledge of PvP and don't post in this thread, unlike you.
HellScreamS
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You come here to cry AGAIN while insulting the users here and think ANYONE is going to give a [email protected] what you are crying about?
The "awesome" PvP in this game has long since passed so you coming here thinking you are super cool or whatever is completely meaningless and the idea of you talking down to people who may or may not have been around {you have no clue} when PvP in GWs was actually competitive makes you sound as foolish as I'm sure you actually are. I'm not one for generally flaming the morons here even when they deserve it but I've had enough of you so take your pissy little "I'm a super monk" attitude and your QQ fest elsewhere. It's princesses like you that led me to make GvG setups without monks just so we didn't have to hear the constant crying in our GvGs. so really just run along now. You don't care about the people here and we don't give a flying fck about you or your lame cryfest so just GO AWAY now!!! |
Samuel1
Even If this is a bot (which i am skeptical about) its not like there rupting 1/4s every time, so its not even that bad. I can get 3/4s almost every time and 1 secs every time and im using bad wireless internet. And the people saying " i r pro monk in top gvg and i no what can be done and cant" i really dont know who those ppl are(either bcuz they are like r500 or their usernames are not the names they go by.) Also when a team is whiping, monks will be spamming more, which means its easier to intrupt when randoming
sixdartbart
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And I am very thankful to those, who don't have an overall knowledge of PvP and don't post in this thread, unlike you.
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How could that be possible you ask, well I capped an elite forum skill that allows me to notice an @sshole by the words that they type and well here you are.
Coming here to cry and then telling people not to post in your dumbass thread after being told countless times that posting this here is not going to do a damn thing for you is about as stupid of a thing as I have seen in awhile.
Your lack of understanding english may explain why you think it serves you well to talk sh1t to people while trying to get them on your side but it really just makes you look like a fool.
Have a nice day
Lifeshield
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You come here to cry AGAIN while insulting the users here and think ANYONE is going to give a [email protected] what you are crying about?
The "awesome" PvP in this game has long since passed so you coming here thinking you are super cool or whatever is completely meaningless and the idea of you talking down to people who may or may not have been around {you have no clue} when PvP in GWs was actually competitive makes you sound as foolish as I'm sure you actually are. I'm not one for generally flaming the morons here even when they deserve it but I've had enough of you so take your pissy little "I'm a super monk" attitude and your QQ fest elsewhere. It's princesses like you that led me to make GvG setups without monks just so we didn't have to hear the constant crying in our GvGs. so really just run along now. You don't care about the people here and we don't give a flying fck about you or your lame cryfest so just GO AWAY now!!! |
You're acting like more of a tool than the OP in my opinion.
I would suggest rethinking what you have to say before posting again. You're just embarassing yourself.
keli
Haha. It seems you don't understand me even though I am not a native speaker. Yes RTSFirebat said I may don't get further here, but I'm still hoping. You don't believe everything other people say, right?
And what is wrong with asking people to not post if they do not know about the topic?
It seems you are as big asshole as me.
And what is wrong with asking people to not post if they do not know about the topic?
It seems you are as big asshole as me.
fowlero
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Even If this is a bot (which i am skeptical about) its not like there rupting 1/4s every time, so its not even that bad. I can get 3/4s almost every time and 1 secs every time and im using bad wireless internet. And the people saying " i r pro monk in top gvg and i no what can be done and cant" i really dont know who those ppl are(either bcuz they are like r500 or their usernames are not the names they go by.) Also when a team is whiping, monks will be spamming more, which means its easier to intrupt when randoming
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Further to your point, bots arent used with the aim to hit 1/4 casts (if a caster is hitting 1/4 secs everytime its beyond doubt he's botting, which is counterproductive). But to near enough guarantee a interupt lands, sure people can hit 3/4 and 1 sec casts easy enough but not everytime reliably. Reason it looks like a bot in the video and in keli's previous screens is because every single rupt lands in almost the exact same spot.
shump
sad to see this happening in gw pvp. It seems these bots operate very similar to aimbots in fps just detecting a color on the screen. I doubt anything well ever happen its a problem that plagued games from the start and if valve can't stop it from counter strike I wouldnt bet a nickle anet does anything about it besides ban texmod so it atleast makes it harder to code a bot.
edit: now that I think about it U dont even need textmod just detect the color of the gold elite skill color border or the similar blue color for monk skills.
edit: now that I think about it U dont even need textmod just detect the color of the gold elite skill color border or the similar blue color for monk skills.
Greedy Gus
Why would anyone be against this getting more attention?
bitchbar player
And yeah it really looks like botting to be, every rupt is at the same mark unless fc kicks in.
Cuilan
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The program modifies the GW.dat file and the graphics dll file then uses an extrenal client which allows you to choose which skills you want to interupt, with which skill on the skillbar, at what time.
By setting the delay factor to 0, with high fast casting, you can virtually interupt any skill - even .25. Most people put a randomized delay factor under 3/4 second to make it look inconspicuous. However, you can easily tell who bots as the bot cannot differentiate between the skills being used and the interupt used to stop it. In other words the botting program may use P Block on Channeling because it doesnt know what channeling or P block really do. The program can also be used to use certain skills after the target foe uses a certain skill. It doesn't always have to be interupts. |
byteme!
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edit: now that I think about it U dont even need textmod just detect the color of the gold elite skill color border or the similar blue color for monk skills.
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On a side note. "When it rains it pours". Anet/NCSoft has got a lot going on as of late.
1)fixing SF
2)upcoming/delayed skill balance
3)botting (this thread)
4)security issues
5)wintersday mishap (no hats)
6)GW2
I'm sure there's more. Give it some time.
Tramp
I dont pvp, but why are people using this program? Are they champ point farming or selling the farming service for tons 'o ectos? or do they make tons of zkeys from winning battles? Just trying to follow the money.
kedde
People suck and people also hate losing.
Rewards and looking good require the easiest method of achieving and one of the helpers on the way to that happens to be bots now.
Anyone who can't see the obvious notes that pretty much ensures it being a bot must be retarded or just plain ignorant.
And anyone who believes obvious and proven issues getting more public exposure is a bad thing is just as utterly retarded since wide public exposure has been the only sure way of getting enough attention for things to be dealt with.
Rewards and looking good require the easiest method of achieving and one of the helpers on the way to that happens to be bots now.
Anyone who can't see the obvious notes that pretty much ensures it being a bot must be retarded or just plain ignorant.
And anyone who believes obvious and proven issues getting more public exposure is a bad thing is just as utterly retarded since wide public exposure has been the only sure way of getting enough attention for things to be dealt with.
fricker
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I dont pvp, but why are people using this program? Are they champ point farming or selling the farming service for tons 'o ectos? or do they make tons of zkeys from winning battles? Just trying to follow the money.
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On Topic: This isn't new, but lately seems to be spreading widely.
Fatee
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Even If this is a bot (which i am skeptical about) its not like there rupting 1/4s every time, so its not even that bad. I can get 3/4s almost every time and 1 secs every time and im using bad wireless internet. And the people saying " i r pro monk in top gvg and i no what can be done and cant" i really dont know who those ppl are(either bcuz they are like r500 or their usernames are not the names they go by.) Also when a team is whiping, monks will be spamming more, which means its easier to intrupt when randoming
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the way the bot works is by picking a few skills and then the bot does the work simply shown in the video link, if you watch it again you can clearly see that 3skills only get interupted (RC, WOH and guardian)
Reverend Dr
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If your last thread was closed why not take a hint and not create another one which is likely to be closed?
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Why would anyone be against this getting more attention?
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byteme!
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I guess you haven't been paying attention to this game or its developers. The first step to getting any in-game change is for there to be a large community response This is the only way to get any change in the game.
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This thread gets closed. That post gets deleted. Too many things get pushed aside.
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hey! you can't use the word "retarded" on the gwg forums, I've already been banned twice and got 4 infraction pts because of that!: O
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Burton2000
Should definatly get sorted out by Anet and the people using it to be banned.
RTSFirebat
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that is a pretty good question. anyone? firebat? fenix?
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Don't read too much into my post.
If you do however re-read it, clearly it state that its very unlikely any member of the GW development team will respond to this. The hacking issue has yet to be address and that is a FAR greater issue.
So lets just cut the crap right now. Botting, cheating in general annoys me, but I'm simply stating the sad fact that this thread isn't going to get the OP anywhere. Sad but true.
But this is a issue that should be looked into, but then again that is why the /report function was added to the game in the first place was it not?
Maybe PMing Regina Buenaobra direct would have been better. Maybe... I don't know, never had to do it myself.
Please keep my name out of anything to do with this.... ugh!
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I guess you haven't been paying attention to this game or its developers. The first step to getting any in-game change is for there to be a large community response This is the only way to get any change in the game.
This is what I really don't understand. While naming individuals might go against certain board rules, bots are being used and there is no reason that there cannot be a discussion about something that is actually occurring in gameplay. |
Its sad that the only way for things to change as you suggest it, is for people to bitch a lot. But generally that 'method' does work.
Finally please don't request forum rules regarding naming people. We are a community fan site, not a witch hunt forum. We have... no MUST remain neutral to such matters, as its not our place as a fan site to get involved in naming and shaming.
I hope you understand.
fenix
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Ok let me make it clear right now that I DO believe this is a serious issue / concern. Never at any point did I say I had problems with this being brought to light.
Don't read too much into my post. If you do however re-read it, clearly it state that its very unlikely any member of the GW development team will respond to this. The hacking issue has yet to be address and that is a FAR greater issue. So lets just cut the crap right now. Botting, cheating in general annoys me, but I'm simply stating the sad fact that this thread isn't going to get the OP anywhere. Sad but true. But this is a issue that should be looked into, but then again that is why the /report function was added to the game in the first place was it not? Maybe PMing Regina Buenaobra direct would have been better. Maybe... I don't know, never had to do it myself. Please keep my name out of anything to do with this.... ugh! Oh I do pay attention sunshine, been here for a while. But lets not time be a jugde to anyones understanding of how to get problems solved. This thread highlights a serious issue, but the nature its been presented in makes it unlikely for any member of the development team to comment on it in fear of the community biting their head off. Its sad that the only way for things to change as you suggest it, is for people to bitch a lot. But generally that 'method' does work. Finally please don't request forum rules regarding naming people. We are a community fan site, not a witch hunt forum. We have... no MUST remain neutral to such matters, as its not our place as a fan site to get involved in naming and shaming. I hope you understand. |