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Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

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Oblivion

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Mo/Me

05 Jan 2010 at 02:58 - 1

At midnight (EST, -5 GMT), I will fill in the blanks.... MUHAHAHAA.

GF100 outperforms ATi's 5870 by 46% on average
GF100 outperforms ATi's 5970 by 8% on average

The GF100 gets 148 fps in DiRT2
The GF100 gets 73 fps in Crysis2
The GF100 gets 82 fps in AvP3

*GTX misnomers removed due to Business NDA*

GF100's maximum load temperature is 55 C.

The release week of GF100 is Mar 02nd

Blackberry ordered about a million Tegra2 units for their 2011 smartphone.
Apple ordered a few million Tegra2 units for the 2011 iPhone.
Nintendo ordered several million Tegra2 units for their next gen handheld (the DS2!)

*Removed: Under business NDA*

That's all for now kiddies! See if you can guess for the time being, each - represents a letter or number

<font color="red" font size="3">Extra spoilers!</font>

GF100 and GF104 will feature a new 32x Anti Aliasing mode for enthusiast setups.
GF100 and GF104 can do 100% hardware based decoding for 1080p BluRay and H264 playback.
GF100 and GF104 feature full SLi capability and a new scaling method for rendering!
GF100 and GF104 will provide full on chip native C++ operation for Windows and Linux environments. This will be further augmented with CUDA and OpenCL.
GF104 will feature new technology designed for UHD OLED monitors!
GF100 promises to deliver at least 40% more performance than the GTX295 for less money. GF104 promises double that.

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Forge Runner

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Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

LF guild that teaches MTSC (did it long ago before gw2 came out and I quit...but I barely remember)

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05 Jan 2010 at 02:59 - 2

YEY

12 chars of yeyness

On a side note...what are you going to do now without a job? dedicate yourself wholly to the gwguru technicians corner?

Ariena Najea

Silence and Motion

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Buffalo NY

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05 Jan 2010 at 03:19 - 3

It's over 9000!

Also, congrats sort of!

Lord Sojar

The Fallen One

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Oblivion

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Mo/Me

05 Jan 2010 at 03:28 - 4

Quote:

Originally Posted by End

YEY

12 chars of yeyness

On a side note...what are you going to do now without a job? dedicate yourself wholly to the gwguru technicians corner?

Go back to school? DUHH

MisterB

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Planet Earth, Sol system, Milky Way galaxy

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05 Jan 2010 at 03:53 - 5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

At midnight (EST, -5 GMT), I will fill in the blanks.... MUHAHAHAA.

Nvidia's cookies outperforms ATi's brownies by 24.89% on average
HAL9000 outperforms ATi's 5870 by 9001% on average

*Removed reference to removed content*

Rahja's maximum load temperature is 40 °C.

The release week of the apocalypse is in 2012, the week of December 22nd. But it's all over on the 21st.

Cyberdyne Systems ordered about a million T-102 units for their 2011 smartphone.
Microsoft ordered a few million Playstation 2 units for the 2011 XBoxRetro.
The US Army ordered several million Stinger 2 units for their next gen handheld.

Phillip Morris USA is planning to move their primary focus to the juvenile market and the infant & toddler market.

That's all for now kiddies! See if you can guess for the time being, each - represents a letter or number

Mad libs are fun. I bet all my "guesses" are wrong.

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Forge Runner

Join Date: Jan 2008

Rubbing Potassium on water fountains.

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05 Jan 2010 at 03:55 - 6

Quote:

Originally Posted by MisterB

Mad libs are fun. I bet all my "guesses" are wrong.

Quote:

The release week of Guild Wars 2's release

Fixed the release date

side note again: over 150 people viewing a Technician's corner thread O.o...
You'd think this was riverside...

Celestial Crown

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

05 Jan 2010 at 05:32 - 7

What are the yields at now, 5%?

I like how you provide the hardware specs of the system for those benches. Hell, you don't even list resolution and you're using games that aren't out yet.

Fermi is going to flop. AMD currently holds every single market segment and Nvidia will only take away the high end at a ridiculous price. AMD will just release a higher end single GPU (5890 or something) and still contend in the enthusiast market.

"The architecture is broken, badly designed, and badly thought out. Nvidia does not understand the basics of modern semiconductor design, and is architecting its chips based on ego, not science. The era of massive GPUs is long over, but Nvidia (mis-)management doesn't seem to want to move their egos out of the way and do the right thing. Now the company is left with a flagship part it can't make."

http://semiaccurate.com/2009/12/21/n...-fermi-448sps/

Lord Sojar

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05 Jan 2010 at 05:44 - 8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Crown

What are the yields at now, 5%?

I like how you provide the hardware specs of the system for those benches. Hell, you don't even list resolution and you're using games that aren't out yet.

Fermi is going to flop. AMD currently holds every single market segment and Nvidia will only take away the high end at a ridiculous price. AMD will just release a higher end single GPU (5890 or something) and still contend in the enthusiast market.

"The architecture is broken, badly designed, and badly thought out. Nvidia does not understand the basics of modern semiconductor design, and is architecting its chips based on ego, not science. The era of massive GPUs is long over, but Nvidia (mis-)management doesn't seem to want to move their egos out of the way and do the right thing. Now the company is left with a flagship part it can't make."

http://semiaccurate.com/2009/12/21/n...-fermi-448sps/

Charlie is a fool. He has a journalism degree.

Games that aren't available to the public but use DX11... HMMM, why would I use DX11 games? That's a tough one....isn't it? Any other gems of wisdom you would like to spew? I revealed this info because I am no longer employed by nVidia and several of the technical NDAs expired at midnight, seeing as how Jan 4th was my last day. The business NDAs still stand.

AvP3 and Crysis2 can be taken with a grain of salt, since they are not finalized and drivers aren't finalized yet. DiRT2 may improve or decline slightly, depends on final drivers.

Those tests were run using a Corei7 920, 6GBs of DDR3 1333, and an Intel 64GB SSD paired with a single GF100 card. The tests were run at 1920x1200 with 4x SSAA and 16xAF. Happy? If you want more details, wait for a benchmarking site to run benchmarks like everyone else. I am spoiling you as it is. Don't bite the hand that feeds.

Celestial Crown

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

05 Jan 2010 at 05:51 - 9

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Charlie is a fool. He has a journalism degree.

Games that aren't available to the public but use DX11... HMMM, why would I use DX11 games? That's a tough one....isn't it? Any other gems of wisdom you would like to spew? I revealed this info because I am no longer employed by nVidia and several of the technical NDAs expired at midnight, seeing as how Jan 4th was my last day. The business NDAs still stand.

AvP3 and Crysis2 can be taken with a grain of salt, since they are not finalized and drivers aren't finalized yet. DiRT2 may improve or decline slightly, depends on final drivers.

Those tests were run using a Corei7 920, 6GBs of DDR3 1333, and an Intel 64GB SSD paired with a single GF100 card. The tests were run at 1920x1200 with 4x SSAA and 16xAF. Happy?[/QUOTE]

No.

The number of SPs was cut. Nvidia is a horrible company, just look at what they did with Batman: Arkham Asylum. They locked AA code to be vendor specific, so it disables when an ATI card is detected. This was proven by changing the VendorID to Nvidia on an ATI card and then magically AA could work in the demo. Also disabling PhysX for use on other primary cards than Nvidia ones was a bad business move, now people are just bypassing it with modified drivers. I could go on and on about why Nvidia is a bad business model, but surely you know from working there. Oh I'm almost forgetting the fake Fermi that Mr. Jen-Hsun Huang displayed, which Nvida claimed was real and later had to retract that statement. Oh, guess what else... REBRANDS. Nvidia rebrands everything (8800 = 9800 = gts 250) and the gtx 3xx cards or whatever are just rebrands of the gtx 2xx mobile cards. Epic failure on Nvidia's part.

You should also mention the ambients at which you consider 55C load temps. Are you running it outside in some remote location with an ambient of -20C? No way a card with 225W of power draw will run at 55C on load by the way the stock cooler looked.

Lord Sojar

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05 Jan 2010 at 06:24 - 10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Crown

No.

The number of SPs was cut. Nvidia is a horrible company, just look at what they did with Batman: Arkham Asylum. They locked AA code to be vendor specific, so it disables when an ATI card is detected. This was proven by changing the VendorID to Nvidia on an ATI card and then magically AA could work in the demo. Also disabling PhysX for use on other primary cards than Nvidia ones was a bad business move, now people are just bypassing it with modified drivers. I could go on and on about why Nvidia is a bad business model, but surely you know from working there. Oh I'm almost forgetting the fake Fermi that Mr. Jen-Hsun Huang displayed, which Nvida claimed was real and later had to retract that statement. Oh, guess what else... REBRANDS. Nvidia rebrands everything (8800 = 9800 = gts 250) and the gtx 3xx cards or whatever are just rebrands of the gtx 2xx mobile cards. Epic failure on Nvidia's part.

You should also mention the ambients at which you consider 55C load temps. Are you running it outside in some remote location with an ambient of -20C? No way a card with 225W of power draw will run at 55C on load by the way the stock cooler looked.

I apologize your school system didn't teach you to read.... such a pity.
Tesla (GT300) is very different from GF100. Do not mistake this again, or so help me Jesus I will intellectually murder you. Trust me, I am good at it.

Now shoo pest... you clearly are Charlie's prodigy. The man wouldn't be so annoying if he didn't have so much E-Rage towards a company. He fails to realize that without nVidia, ATi would charge insane amounts of money for their GPUs, and couldn't care less about what he thought. ATi is in it for the money, just as every other successful company is.

Short of the above: Stop being a flaming fanboy for a company that doesn't give 2 shits about you.

Celestial Crown

Frost Gate Guardian

Join Date: Oct 2006

05 Jan 2010 at 06:41 - 11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

I apologize your school system didn't teach you to read.... such a pity.
Tesla (GT300) is very different from GF100. Do not mistake this again, or so help me Jesus I will intellectually murder you. Trust me, I am good at it.

Now shoo pest... you clearly are Charlie's prodigy. The man wouldn't be so annoying if he didn't have so much E-Rage towards a company. He fails to realize that without nVidia, ATi would charge insane amounts of money for their GPUs, and couldn't care less about what he thought. ATi is in it for the money, just as every other successful company is.

Short of the above: Stop being a flaming fanboy for a company that doesn't give 2 shits about you.

I assumed Fermi was the backbone for the Tesla and GeForce cards. Either way, I'm right about everything and you have done nothing to refute my statements.

Quote:

<Rahja_the_Thief> GF100 is single, correct
<Rahja_the_Thief> less than or equal to 300w
<Rahja_the_Thief> that hasn't been totally finalized
<Rahja_the_Thief> since A3 silicon just got back
<Rahja_the_Thief> so I am not totally sure

<Rahja_the_Thief> based on the spin, I'd take a stab at 250w
<Rahja_the_Thief> but give or take 50w
<Rahja_the_Thief> Sorry I can't be more specific, but I haven't received new data on this since November
<Rahja_the_Thief> They put you into a blackout period

You said this, taken from the IRC chat. Even at ~250W TDP, no way there is going to be 55C load temps, unless your testing conditions were like I previously stated.

And trust me, I'm not a fanboy. I could care less about AMD/ATI as I've owned both Intel and AMD processors, and both Nvidia and ATI GPUs.

Lord Sojar

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05 Jan 2010 at 07:22 - 12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celestial Crown

I assumed Fermi was the backbone for the Tesla and GeForce cards. Either way, I'm right about everything and you have done nothing to refute my statements.

You said this, taken from the IRC chat. Even at ~250W TDP, no way there is going to be 55C load temps, unless your testing conditions were like I previously stated.

And trust me, I'm not a fanboy. I could care less about AMD/ATI as I've owned both Intel and AMD processors, and both Nvidia and ATI GPUs.

You are wrong? How many ways can I say this? Wrong? Incorrect? Mistaken? Dumb? Idiot? Invalid data detected? Negative on that Ghostrider? I mean... really!

The Fermi you were shown was Tesla. GF100 is different on many levels, which you will soon understand (provided you take the time to read through a site other than that abomination Charlie runs)

And yes, there are ways of getting 55C load temps at those TDPs. You just aren't thinking outside the box. Also, in house testing is bias. Expect the temps in most people's systems to be higher, I wouldn't refute that. I just posted the data I have. Take it how you will. (note: I just realized that says GF104, not GF100, I have changed it as that was a typo)

Bob Slydell

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Join Date: Jan 2007

05 Jan 2010 at 07:46 - 13

I've heard nVidia sucked, I heard ATi sucked... I heard they both sucked. No one can ever settle. And even when I bring up something like this anywhere... your respective enthusiast will then try and explain to you why his brand is better than the other and so on.. Btw..I've even heard ATi out perform nVidia as this card outperforms the ATi card. Lost cause IMO. Framerates over 60 aren't even noticeable anyway.

jiggles

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05 Jan 2010 at 08:00 - 14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Short of the above: Stop being a flaming fanboy for a company that doesn't give 2 shits about you.

Biggest piece of irony on this forum? I think so.

jackinthe

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Join Date: Jan 2007

05 Jan 2010 at 08:13 - 15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisworld

I've heard nVidia sucked, I heard ATi sucked... I heard they both sucked. No one can ever settle. And even when I bring up something like this anywhere... your respective enthusiast will then try and explain to you why his brand is better than the other and so on.. Btw..I've even heard ATi out perform nVidia as this card outperforms the ATi card. Lost cause IMO. Framerates over 60 aren't even noticeable anyway.

ditto. i think the general consensus is that nvidia is powerful but weak, and ati is weak but powerful.
i guess we'll find out

KZaske

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R/Mo

05 Jan 2010 at 08:18 - 16

Sounds like Nvidia is about to open a can of whoop-a$$.

Lord Sojar

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05 Jan 2010 at 08:38 - 17

Quote:

Originally Posted by jiggles

Biggest piece of irony on this forum? I think so.

Clearly ironic, seeing as how I own an ATi HD5870.... CLEARLY.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

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05 Jan 2010 at 08:40 - 18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

Clearly ironic, seeing as how I own an ATi HD5870.... CLEARLY.

Oh yeah? What's with the nVidia sig then?

Arkantos

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05 Jan 2010 at 08:42 - 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chrisworld

Oh yeah? What's with the nVidia sig then?

He worked for nVidia, so I suppose he's trying to promote/support it, even though he has a competitors card.

Bob Slydell

Forge Runner

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05 Jan 2010 at 08:46 - 20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkantos

He worked for nVidia, so I suppose he's trying to promote/support it, even though he has a competitors card.

My appologies. Advertising. Never would have thought of it.

drago34

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05 Jan 2010 at 09:05 - 21

Thanks for the info rahja... Damn that card sounds like it will be pretty sexy.

Warvic

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05 Jan 2010 at 09:32 - 22

Quote:

Originally Posted by End

side note again: over 150 people viewing a Technician's corner thread O.o...
You'd think this was riverside...

I don't understand a thing about what he said.. The title.. was appealling lol!

Munkypoo7

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05 Jan 2010 at 10:55 - 23

I still think its a load of hype to keep the nVidia fan base dreaming and waiting instead of moving onto the red side, those temps seem way way way off, until OCC, OCN G3d SOMEONE reputable does a full testing of this sucker on Stalker, Crysis, Farcry2, MW2 etc etc THEN it is worth something...NV has been rebranding cards since the 9 series, and for some reason, i think it will still appy with a few minor tweaks, nV has zero respect in my books for pretty much tricking the general public theyre getting a newer better card... but then again, i could be wrong and i will gladly eat these words come CES

And for the record, i DO agree with crowns points

/rant off
/flame begin

Malice Black

Site Legend

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05 Jan 2010 at 11:45 - 24

Cost and release date of these, Rajha?

Will be building a new rig come summer. Few of these in SLI will murder everything I presume?

AmbientMelody

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05 Jan 2010 at 12:26 - 25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malice Black

Cost and release date of these, Rajha?

Will be building a new rig come summer. Few of these in SLI will murder everything I presume?

These still fall under Business NDA I guess?

Though, waiting for summer seems to be good idea.

Quaker

Hell's Protector

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Brothers Disgruntled

05 Jan 2010 at 17:27 - 26

That's the problem with fanboys. They are so wrapped up in their fandom they can't imagine why anyone who owns one of their cherished fan favorites would ever talk about anything else.

And in case you miss the sarcasm - there's nothing wrong with owning an ATI card AND talking about new nVidia products.

If everything goes as normal, the new nVidia cards will be priced at the upper end and AMD will rule the mid to low end.

Abedeus

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05 Jan 2010 at 17:56 - 27

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

These still fall under Business NDA I guess?

Though, waiting for summer seems to be good idea.

Aye. He can't release it until THEY release it, otherwise... well, he might get a suit. A lawsuit.

Also, I know what I'm getting for my 18th birthday.

Blackhearted

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05 Jan 2010 at 21:11 - 28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

And yes, there are ways of getting 55C load temps at those TDPs. You just aren't thinking outside the box. Also, in house testing is bias. Expect the temps in most people's systems to be higher, I wouldn't refute that. I just posted the data I have. Take it how you will. (note: I just realized that says GF104, not GF100, I have changed it as that was a typo)

So what you're saying is... A non-standard method of cooling was used to achieve that temperature? If so then why even state a temperature? I'd rather see info of a factual reading in a normal kind of set up, than some special, crutch set up to falsely improve the results.

As for the rest of your info... It seems interesting, but i'll wait till when(or rather, 'if' at nvidias current pace) i see it on the normal tech sites before getting excited. Not that i doubt you, per se. Just i'd like to see it from more sources to back it all up.

On another/related note: i hope this new series of cards will finally put an end to nvidia's ruthless rebadging of the g8x/g92 that they've been doing for years.

shawno

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2010

05 Jan 2010 at 22:29 - 29

What about multiple monitor support (more than 2) on a single card like ATIs dual DVI and displayport.

I'm trying to hold out for the new NVIDIA cards but the Eyefinity tech is just too good to pass up! So good, I'm about to drop $1400 on a set of 3 new displays just for it!

Malice Black

Site Legend

Join Date: Oct 2005

05 Jan 2010 at 23:52 - 30

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmbientMelody

These still fall under Business NDA I guess?

Though, waiting for summer seems to be good idea.

Ah OK.

Prob end up waiting for the inevitable 1GB cards anyway. They'll see me through a few years.

Now another question - Will these cope with dual 50" tv/monitors at max resolution?

Elder III

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06 Jan 2010 at 00:51 - 31

a 46% avg. boost in framerates is pretty danged impressive...... maybe I'll be able to afford one in 5 yrs.

mcsumo

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06 Jan 2010 at 16:44 - 32

Haven't been on these forums for a couple of months and had forgotten how much Rahja can make me laugh. Good to see you are still on form, mate.

On topic...... erm I got nothing sorry. :S

RotteN

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06 Jan 2010 at 17:32 - 33

Nice, can't wait for March to arrive now

The promised numbers look impressive, to say the least.

Good luck with your 2nd degree (I'm doing mine during work, should've taken some time off as well xD).

Tostie_146

Pre-Searing Cadet

Join Date: Jan 2010

07 Jan 2010 at 10:45 - 34

as you say the technical NDA has been removed. i wonder what kind of cooling they used to get those temps. imo its should only be possible with liquid metal, liquid cooling, a 100% running fan or a advanced type of Vapor-X cooling. any other technice would seriously overprice the card.

what im finding funny is that everybody thinks that Cryengine 3 runs DX11, its never stated hinted at or anything like it. the release announcement never stated DX11 while that could mean extra money from licensees. you think they hide the DX11 fact only to say it licensees i doubt it. so im pretty sure crysis 2 doesnt support DX11... yet..

EternalTempest

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12 Jan 2010 at 06:19 - 35

I really dislike when ati goes to 10.1... and nivida drags it feet causing developers to sometimes avoid the .1 to save money.

Look at how Assasin Creed was 10.1... and the patch reverted it to 10.0 (which magically made nvidia cards seem much better)

Same thing been happening with DX 11, downplay it because they have/had lack of product.

I'm not saying the GF100 is going to bad, or could lack greatness, but waiting on more reviews.

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12 Jan 2010 at 11:32 - 36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

You just aren't thinking outside the box.

Is it some leet mt. dew cooling system for all the cards.... or some stupid variant on vapor chamber gunk...